Topic: We're printing too many bitcoins - page 2. (Read 4285 times)

The amount generated by the network as a whole is the same. Whether or not the coins are brought to the market is dependent on the particular individual.


I cannot agree with this more. This is the most critical flaw in the Bitcoin design. It's aimed at techies and not Joe.

For example:
How can you convince any shop owner to begin accepting Bitcoin as a payment method? And then having to explain the entire system?

I see 2 options:

Difficulty increases ... Miners earn less btc and bitcoins take longer to generate.. less new btc on the market.

Market value continues to drop .. mining no longer becomes profitable.. less new btc on the marker

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What we really need is a secure and easy payment service to rival paypal.

Average joe and jill need to be able to use bitcoins not just techies.

right now supply outweighs demand.

If you wanted to use bitcoins as a currency and not just as an easy way to get rich there would be no need to do anything.

Irrelevant / Did not read past the title.

...Lol was that a serious question?

The answer to this is that BTC going up to 30, or for that matter to 30,000, is really a reflection of other things we find desirable. I for one want bitcoins to be trading at 30,000 each, among other reasons, because if they do it'll be due to the fact that they have been adopted by a large segment of the population.

Another reason to hope for higher rates for the BTC is that it will offset the market manipulation by people who don't really know what they're doing. Today, anyone with 20,000 USD can manipulate the bitcoin market up, down and sideways. When each BTC costs over 150 dollars, it will weed out many of the amateurs.

no need to apologize,  I wasn't saying to put it under centralized control,  I'm just stating that the adoption rate is slower than the amount "mined/printed/whatever"  so it will cause the value of each BTC to go down as compared to going up.

this is not exactly the expected result... as many were hoping the adoption rate would grow faster than the mined rate, hence causing them to rise in value.. when in fact the opposite happened...

Now I want to stress I would perfer to see the adoption rate increase..  but that's not going to happen until it's easier to use... and headlines like "man loses 25,000 BTC,  3ed largest exchange loses 17,0000 coins,  mybitcoin vanishes with 1.3 million USD in bitcoins,  mtgox sends price of bitcoins to 1 penny."

In my opinion security and ease of use are the 2 major hinderances,  until that's under control the rate of creation exceeds the amount of people adopting them.

and Correlation does imply causation ---  30 USD per bitcoin caused a media frenzy that sent more people looking at them...

#1 definitely
#2 more below
#3 definitely

If I've misinterpreted, I apologize, but it sounds like you're advocating putting Bitcoin under centralized control of the currency. 

Short-term fluctuations are to be expected, especially since:

• The market is currently fairly small in both users and capitalization (approx. USD $88 million)
• There are relatively few uses in which BTC's utility outweighs its inconveniences. (see #3)
• It's very new and thus prone to start-up problems
• News coverage is both a boon and curse, and new stories cause outsized reaction in demand.

Ask the greybeards about when email was a novelty:  on each message, you had to specify the entire path to the destination email server.  Now people hardly ever write "snail mail" letters anymore.

Bitcoin may become another necessity like email, or it could follow a technology path like search engines, or it may peter out and die.

Only time will tell.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation:

"Correlation does not imply causation" (related to "ignoring a common cause" and questionable cause) is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not automatically imply that one causes the other (though correlation is necessary for linear causation in the absence of any third and countervailing causative variable, and can indicate possible causes or areas for further investigation; in other words, correlation can be a hint).[1][2]

Nothing is wrong with it,  but it appears that the adoption rate increased faster when the currency was rising in value.

The inflation, unlike government paper, is predictable and predicted with bitcoin.

Therefore it is already priced in.

Therefore price changes that are happening now are simply demand changes.  In such a small market, they are to be expected.  Nothing we can do about them.

The monetary inflation, the 50 bitcoins every 10 minutes, was the same when the USD-BTC went from cents to 30USD than when it went down.

The important question is: Why do you want the USD-BTC exchange to go to 30 again? Whats wrong with 13-14?

1 is a good idea
2 is not going to ever happen
3 will come with time I hope

In case you were wondering.

That the adoption rate of bitcoins are not exceeding the additional 50 coins per every 10 minutes dumped on the market.  

Hence the inflationary pressures on bitcoins currently exceed the adoption rate... it's why we're seeing inflation (IE: bitcoins going from 30 USD to 13 USD per BTC) as compared to deflation (13 USD to 30 USD per BTC).

Now that might change over time... but in all honestly though it's not centralized via a central bank we're still "bernankeing" the system.   or better said.. printing too many bitcoins to cause deflation. In fact we're printing more bitcoins in relation to the US dollar because we're seeing the bitcoin exchange rate falling in relation to the US dollar.

If the creation of bitcoins slowed down for the next several months,  we might see it rise in value,  but until that time it most likely will continue to go down for the near term as too many bitcoins are flooding the market.

Better said we need less than half as many bitcoins on the market now to bring it back to 30 USD to a bitcoin.   Or we need to increase the demand by double.

The fact that our bitcoins are being hacked every 10 minutes (mtgox, mybitcoin, wallets vanishing from Poland exchanges, people seeing 25,000 BTC disappear from their desktop wallet) isn't helping increase the demand.

Honestly if you want to grow the currency you need to do the following:

1 - secure our stuff
2 - slow down on "printing" them
3 - make it easier to use for less technically advantaged individuals.

That point we might increase demand and decrease supply, hence leading to an increase in BTC vs USD.