Were there any cases of casino owners running away with bankroll, etc. ?

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

As already said by BTCevo the scam can take place at any moment, maybe you invest today and the scam happens tomorrow, bad luck you but possible.

Also, if you keep moving your funds, you won't have the advantage of long-term earnings, hence you would be playing a riskier game (of investing just before someone wins big money, for example).

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Quote from: bitbaby on April 18, 2016, 11:05:04 PM

There were many, most are mentioned above, I don't remember the names for others but dicebitco.in was another scam site, they were caught messing with nonce to steal from gamblers iirc, though not sure if they ran away with investor's funds or not.

Yes, dicebitco.in was the website that took off with investor's funds.

diceco.in is the legitimate site that still exists.

Please don't mistake the two.

I think this is a negative point for diceco.in because people might be confused as most of us that both are sites are same or run by the same person. Anyways yeah dicecoin is legit

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Quote from: ricardobs on April 20, 2016, 03:24:43 PM

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 18, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

Anything that cause losing of bankroll, I'm asking because I'm thinking about making investments. I tried googling, got nothing.

I can only recall a website more because it was very famous and running very nicely, it was dice.ninja , basically you should invest into the moneypot sites or well established sites.

Dice ninja? Are you for sure? If I not mistaken they have a scammy background. But anyway how do you know that site is well established? There is no way you could judge if you never try it before, although some reviewer need to test the site to make some reviews

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 11:06:12 PM

Quote from: BTCevo on April 19, 2016, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

Actually it doesnt matter if you move periodically your money because if you have any big investment. This will sure attract site to scam but this is only one time job for them to scam. But why they want to scam if their site can be bigger? See primedice, although hufflepuff 'scammed' them but they can still stand strong until today

scam is not about how reputable a person or a company but it's about chances yeaa a chance to runaway.
where is a chance there an intention , it's a scam principle.
no matter how reputable they are once there is a chance , they can stake their reputable for bigger plan to scam.

Yeah I understand that but for businessman he will think ahead and then make a move, if their site is going to be huge with a lot of people playing on it why he should run away with that one time money. This will just make yourselves bad although let say that you are start it from zero but if you gain trust from player soon or later your site will be big enough and you will earn profit for sure

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Quote from: BlueStackz on April 21, 2016, 01:03:18 PM

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Scammers of bankrolled sites who ran off: Dice.Ninja, Diggit.io, IceDice, Win88, CoinWin

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Legitimate bankrolled sites that have good history: Moneypot.com, BitDice.me, BetKing.io (formerly PRC), Dicenow.com, SatoshiDice.com, Just-dice.com (clams only though)

Personally I have a bit invested into all of these (some more than others) and think they're all a good safe option to consider (you can never know for certain though).

As you have mentioned I too think investing has because a dangerous operation now a days , you should know every bit of the site you invest it else you might regret later.

There were many one like win88 and dice ninja ( yes lol was a gambling site ) but exceptions always occur and it must be our own responsible to try our gambling only with old and reputed sites. If we go for freebie baits, then regretting later is inevitable.

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Scammers of bankrolled sites who ran off: Dice.Ninja, Diggit.io, IceDice, Win88, CoinWin

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Legitimate bankrolled sites that have good history: Moneypot.com, BitDice.me, BetKing.io (formerly PRC), Dicenow.com, SatoshiDice.com, Just-dice.com (clams only though)

Personally I have a bit invested into all of these (some more than others) and think they're all a good safe option to consider (you can never know for certain though).

As you have mentioned I too think investing has because a dangerous operation now a days , you should know every bit of the site you invest it else you might regret later.

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As I am new to casino world so I do not know about that news, and I have never heard a news like that any where in this forum or any other forum, but still we have to stay only with those sites which have some good reviews and feedback from its members.

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Scammers of bankrolled sites who ran off: Dice.Ninja, Diggit.io, IceDice, Win88, CoinWin

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Legitimate bankrolled sites that have good history: Moneypot.com, BitDice.me, BetKing.io (formerly PRC), Dicenow.com, SatoshiDice.com, Just-dice.com (clams only though)

Personally I have a bit invested into all of these (some more than others) and think they're all a good safe option to consider (you can never know for certain though).

I want to second this list, though I will say that SatoshiDice has shown itself to not be too popular as of late, and since the site's +EV is based on a lot of turnover, that may not be a good idea. Or it could be great if someone loses a lot and others aren't winning. But I prefer higher turnover.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 18, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

Anything that cause losing of bankroll, I'm asking because I'm thinking about making investments. I tried googling, got nothing.

I can only recall a website more because it was very famous and running very nicely, it was dice.ninja , basically you should invest into the moneypot sites or well established sites.

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Quote from: BTCevo on April 19, 2016, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

Actually it doesnt matter if you move periodically your money because if you have any big investment. This will sure attract site to scam but this is only one time job for them to scam. But why they want to scam if their site can be bigger? See primedice, although hufflepuff 'scammed' them but they can still stand strong until today

scam is not about how reputable a person or a company but it's about chances yeaa a chance to runaway.
where is a chance there an intention , it's a scam principle.
no matter how reputable they are once there is a chance , they can stake their reputable for bigger plan to scam.

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

Actually it doesnt matter if you move periodically your money because if you have any big investment. This will sure attract site to scam but this is only one time job for them to scam. But why they want to scam if their site can be bigger? See primedice, although hufflepuff 'scammed' them but they can still stand strong until today

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on April 19, 2016, 03:36:57 AM

Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

Casino businesses are very profitable if any one runs it properly so already reputed sites most likely will not run way with these funds instead they may improve there business to attract more players to generate more profits. But as you said, no one knows how people think so remember don't put all your coins in any one sites instead put it in few good sites to reduce these loses.

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Quote from: maximuss on April 19, 2016, 01:49:52 AM

Damn a lot of scams.So far i invested in BitDice.me and Crypto-Games.net and everything was ok, got some profit also

I too invested in Crypto-Games.net, but nothing seems to guarantee safety in future (although owners seems like a really cool guys). I think the best way is to split investment between 5-10 good casinos.

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Quote from: unholycactus on April 18, 2016, 07:21:25 PM

Exit scams is something you should always be wary of. Even if the site has been reputable for a while doesn't mean you won't see the funds disappear.
Happens all the time on dark net markets.

You should never leave coins on a site where you don't control the keys.

Yeaaa even a reputable site can turn to scam and run with our investment money.
So would better if we move investment money periodically from a site to another site.
Who knows a high reputation site like betking.io with over 3,000 bitcoin invested can run away but we wish it will never happened.

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If you invest in morr famous gambling site or gambling wallet like moneypot you will get lower risk or lossing all you have invested as they are quite trustworthy till now and are accepted by lots of gambling site. Some single game casino site can easily run with all the bankroll stating someone has hacked their wallet or blah blah etc. They dont use escrow so owner can easily run away woth all bankroll.

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This is probably the most infamous one.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/completely-insane-saga-coinbet-cc/

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Damn a lot of scams.So far i invested in BitDice.me and Crypto-Games.net and everything was ok, got some profit also

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DiceSites.com owner

Yes, there definitely have been scams like that. It is very important to realize that. I would be extra cautious with 1) relatively newer sites, especially if they (seem) to grow quick 2) sites with an inactive admin. But in the end any (crowdfunded) casino site could end up scamming you. Either by stealing the bankroll, rigging your rolls (if u don't verify your bets), faking winning players when you invest (without you noticing it!) or if they get hacked (which might be unnoticed for you too.) You only own the bitcoins if only you have the private keys for that address.

An overview (be free to add/adjust/suggest):

Confirmed scams

Site	Opening date	Gone	Open for	Invested amount
dice.ninja	2014-08-19	2014-10-10	~2 months	BTC 2,144
dicebitco.in	2014-07-30	2014-10-07	~2 months	BTC ~200 (estimate of mateo winnings?)
cryptocoins-dice.com	2015-01-20	2015-03-14	~2 months	BTC ~150
ice-dice.com	2013-09-22	2015-01-31	~16 months	BTC 10+ (estimate of reported losses)
win88.me	2014-05-31	2015-09-10	~15 months	BTC ~10 (estimate of reported losses)
coinwin.us	2014-07-19	2015-01-23	~6 months	BTC ~10 (estimate of reported losses)
everydice.com	2014-02-20	2014-05-26	~3 months	BTC ? (some/most refunded?)

* estimates could be lower/higher

Potentially (inactive admin, open issues - but hopefully to be solved)

Site	Opening date	Admin gone	Open for	Invested amount
diggit.io	2014-12-01	2015-12-19	~12 months	BTC 125
coinichiwa.com	2014-08-19	2016-02-19	~18 months	BTC 18

* Diggit actually offline since today, but let's hope for the best.

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there has been a lot of short span gambling sites that is not very popular. i know of a few in the past few years that they only survive like a few months to half a year and then they disappear with all the credits. Some claimed that they have lost all the btc while some just disappear into thin air.

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There were many, most are mentioned above, I don't remember the names for others but dicebitco.in was another scam site, they were caught messing with nonce to steal from gamblers iirc, though not sure if they ran away with investor's funds or not.

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