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Quote from: Balthazar on December 13, 2015, 10:55:06 AM

It's a demonstration against deployment of turkish troops in the northern Iraq.

It was Masoud Barzani, the leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) who invited the Turkish troops to his territory. Although the Kurds hate Turkey like anything, Barzani has been trying to get close to Erdogan for the past many months. Saudi Arabia has been doing a lot of secret diplomacy hidden away from the media, and they seems to be interested in getting Erdogan and Barzani on the same table.

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 13, 2015, 10:55:06 AM

It's a demonstration against deployment of turkish troops in the northern Iraq.

Oh ok, thanks. I thought they were protesting the local Turk U.S. political suck up. There's always one in every new government. I went TDY to Incirlik when I was stationed in Heidelberg, Germany to help them take down their old Hawk Missile Battery and upgrade to the Patriot. We were there for about six months and a week didn't pass without some group of townies protesting about the Americans or their shitty leader that let the Americans stay. Funny, they hate us but we never leave. I don't know if that's their fault or ours.

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It's a demonstration against deployment of turkish troops in the northern Iraq.

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What are the riots really about? I hate to admit it but the med area is so constantly in turmoil that I don't keep up with specifics.

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on December 13, 2015, 10:47:05 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on December 13, 2015, 10:32:08 AM

I don't get it. The guy holding the crossed out photo looks like a younger version of the guy in the photo. Are they related?

You're right, they're very similar. But I don't think so. Cheesy

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 13, 2015, 10:32:08 AM

I don't get it. The guy holding the crossed out photo looks like a younger version of the guy in the photo. Are they related?

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 08, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

Iraq's army isn't the only issue here. Significant part of this area is controlled by kurdish militants, who have claimed that they're ready to attack turkish troops in case if turks won't leave Iraq. Turks will respond of course, this will provoke another batch of explosions in Ankara and Istanbul. I have a doubt that Erdogan wants to see 100-200 corpses in the capital once again.

The Kurdish groups in Iraq are divided along the political fault-lines. The Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), which is headed by Masoud Barzani is much more tolerant of the Turks, when compared to the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) headed by Jalal Talabani. The KDP is also getting closer to Saudi Arabia and the other GCC nations.

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Erdogan lets whatshisname the Prime Minister do the talking about this affair which probably means that it´s a losing game, otherwise he would be running around bragging, the great caliph that he isis at least in his own mind.

The PM said they were there to train Iraqi troops. That´s a new one in international relations. Invade to train the troops of the invaded? Has NATO leadership had anything to say about this behavior yet? I guess war threats would be flying around if the shoe was on the other foot and the Iraqis had dared to invade Turkey...

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Quote from: vero on December 08, 2015, 03:26:10 PM

Quote from: Balthazar on December 08, 2015, 06:30:48 AM

Quote from: galdur on December 05, 2015, 03:53:06 PM

Exactly Balthazar. NATO doesn´t give a rat´s butt about law and order except when it´s convenient for smearing the responsibility for their crimes on to others. It considers itself totally exempt from all accountability. It´s nothing new. A member state violating the territory of a sovereign country? Big deal, business as usual. The opposite? These criminals start talking big and threatening war.

And yes, I live in a NATO country. If it were up to me I´d hang a bunch and see if that had any positive behavior modification effect. It would be a small price to pay in the interests of public safety. In my humble opinion.

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-gives-turkish-forces-48-hours-leave-country-203701386.html

Iraq tells Turkey they have 48 hours to leave or they will give them another 48 hours to leave. If your army can not stand up to IS, how can it expect to stand up to a well Trained Turkish army? Yes, the Turks should have asked and I am suspicious of the Turkish President but Iraq needs all the help it can get on the ground.

Iraq's army isn't the only issue here. Significant part of this area is controlled by kurdish militants, who have claimed that they're ready to attack turkish troops in case if turks won't leave Iraq. Turks will respond of course, this will provoke another batch of explosions in Ankara and Istanbul. I have a doubt that Erdogan wants to see 100-200 corpses in the capital once again.

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It´s an escalation in the war, no doubt about that. Iraq will probably take this to the United Nations- a United States tool and therefore also a tool for Turkey in this case. Nothing to do but watch how this develops.

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 08, 2015, 06:30:48 AM

Quote from: galdur on December 05, 2015, 03:53:06 PM

Exactly Balthazar. NATO doesn´t give a rat´s butt about law and order except when it´s convenient for smearing the responsibility for their crimes on to others. It considers itself totally exempt from all accountability. It´s nothing new. A member state violating the territory of a sovereign country? Big deal, business as usual. The opposite? These criminals start talking big and threatening war.

And yes, I live in a NATO country. If it were up to me I´d hang a bunch and see if that had any positive behavior modification effect. It would be a small price to pay in the interests of public safety. In my humble opinion.

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-gives-turkish-forces-48-hours-leave-country-203701386.html

Iraq tells Turkey they have 48 hours to leave or they will give them another 48 hours to leave. If your army can not stand up to IS, how can it expect to stand up to a well Trained Turkish army? Yes, the Turks should have asked and I am suspicious of the Turkish President but Iraq needs all the help it can get on the ground.

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Quote from: galdur on December 05, 2015, 03:53:06 PM

Exactly Balthazar. NATO doesn´t give a rat´s butt about law and order except when it´s convenient for smearing the responsibility for their crimes on to others. It considers itself totally exempt from all accountability. It´s nothing new. A member state violating the territory of a sovereign country? Big deal, business as usual. The opposite? These criminals start talking big and threatening war.

And yes, I live in a NATO country. If it were up to me I´d hang a bunch and see if that had any positive behavior modification effect. It would be a small price to pay in the interests of public safety. In my humble opinion.

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-gives-turkish-forces-48-hours-leave-country-203701386.html

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 05, 2015, 11:49:04 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 05, 2015, 11:15:50 PM

Let me see how aggressive he will become, when the tourist revenue is reduced to ZERO in 2016.

Commiting a suicide would be the best option for him. Much better than Gaddafi-style scenario.

The case with Gaddafi was different. The NATO used Islamists to topple him. But Erdogan himself is an Islamist, and the opposition is very divided. The Kurds don't trust the left-wing Turks and vice versa. And Erdogan has played his "divide and rule" tactic quite well, leading to disorganization and infighting in the opposition ranks.

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I don´t know how many confirmations people need to get that NATO´s leadership is totally nuts. They have a "nuclear sharing" program where non-nuclear states can borrow nuclear weapons from the United States..
You can´t make this shit up. Aren´t there supposed to be treaties to prevent the spreading of these weapons around? I guess nutcases don´t give a hoot about such details. And the danger is something that they´d never give the slightest thought.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 05, 2015, 11:15:50 PM

Let me see how aggressive he will become, when the tourist revenue is reduced to ZERO in 2016.

Commiting a suicide would be the best option for him. Much better than Gaddafi-style scenario.

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