What about a non-violent forum protest over the Ponzis?

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Quote from: zeeshanblc on March 15, 2014, 10:02:32 PM

If theymos does not nothing about it. Just ignore those threads. Nothing will happen what ever protest you do. This is no public forum this is Privately own Forum own by theymos.

By protesting in the threads, board members are effectively shutting them down. Eventually scheme owners will be requesting their own sub forum also and everyone will be on the same page. Giving them their own forum now is win-win.

...well except for the people losing coins in these things. They probably don't feel very winning.

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If theymos does not nothing about it. Just ignore those threads. Nothing will happen what ever protest you do. This is no public forum this is Privately own Forum own by theymos.

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Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2014, 08:27:04 PM

No answer from theymos so I'd assume it isn't going to happen. Not sure why, it makes perfect sense.

Damn it, looks like I'm going to have to start ignoring a lot of stuff. I don't understand why he wouldn't allow a different section - everyone's happy. The real gambling doesn't have to mix with that crap, and those guys have a whole board to themselves to rip off newbies. Win - win .

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Quote from: BadBear on March 15, 2014, 08:27:04 PM

No answer from theymos so I'd assume it isn't going to happen. Not sure why, it makes perfect sense.

thanks for the update.. hopefully they will implement a new category sometime

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No answer from theymos so I'd assume it isn't going to happen. Not sure why, it makes perfect sense.

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Can we please just get another category for hyip/ponzi "style" games.. and I say style because it's not a ponzi in the fact there is something being hidden on what's going on with your deposit or btc like most traditional ponzi's. Most of these games are completely 100% upfront and by the end of it it's simply another way of gambling. It's your choice if your decide to play or not and nothing is happening "behind close doors". Simply another game.

The war on the gambling thread between these type of games and casino owners is getting out of hand and becoming very immature to say the least. " I will report you, no I will report you!, you are doing this!"

Lets put a stop to this finally and just create another category to end this debate on what makes a site a "gambling site"

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Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 07:38:39 AM

Easiest thing to do would be to just make a separate HYIP board. Would also serve as a place for the leancy, roinvest, and whatever crap people are peddling these days. HYIP and gambling don't really belong together anyway, it's probably time to separate them.

They are much more accurately described as HYIP than games, I think we're just getting caught up in what it isn't, and missing what it is. When faced with the argument, 'It's not gambling, it isn't a game', then we end up debating whether it's a game or not. A better argument would be, 'It's a HYIP, and it doesn't belong with traditional gambling, and neither do the other sites like leancy.'

/facepalm

HYIP/Ponzi... who gives a shit on the name? It's not gambling, and that's what people are stating. It doesn't belong in the gambling spot.

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Quote from: FUR11 on March 11, 2014, 05:35:40 AM

Quote from: zolace on March 11, 2014, 05:21:07 AM

Tried for weeks but The Mods dont care

Perhaps then it's time to get new mods?

I have a crazy idea! Find another forum.

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Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 07:38:39 AM

Easiest thing to do would be to just make a separate HYIP board. Would also serve as a place for the leancy, roinvest, and whatever crap people are peddling these days. HYIP and gambling don't really belong together anyway, it's probably time to separate them.

They are much more accurately described as HYIP than games, I think we're just getting caught up in what it isn't, and missing what it is. When faced with the argument, 'It's not gambling, it isn't a game', then we end up debating whether it's a game or not. A better argument would be, 'It's a HYIP, and it doesn't belong with traditional gambling, and neither do the other sites like leancy.'

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Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 07:38:39 AM

Easiest thing to do would be to just make a separate HYIP board. Would also serve as a place for the leancy, roinvest, and whatever crap people are peddling these days. HYIP and gambling don't really belong together anyway, it's probably time to separate them.

They are much more accurately described as HYIP than games, I think we're just getting caught up in what it isn't, and missing what it is. When faced with the argument, 'It's not gambling, it isn't a game', then we end up debating whether it's a game or not. A better argument would be, 'It's a HYIP, and it doesn't belong with traditional gambling, and neither do the other sites like leancy.'

i like that idea, because ponzi-like investments could be moved there easily.
if you add an disclaimer or stickied thread to remind people of self-responsability it would be perfect

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Easiest thing to do would be to just make a separate HYIP board. Would also serve as a place for the leancy, roinvest, and whatever crap people are peddling these days. HYIP and gambling don't really belong together anyway, it's probably time to separate them.

They are much more accurately described as HYIP than games, I think we're just getting caught up in what it isn't, and missing what it is. When faced with the argument, 'It's not gambling, it isn't a game', then we end up debating whether it's a game or not. A better argument would be, 'It's a HYIP, and it doesn't belong with traditional gambling, and neither do the other sites like leancy.'

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Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 01:49:35 AM

He's asking for the same thing I've been asking for, a clearly defined set of criteria to separate those sorts of games from the rest. Ideally it would be something a bit more elegant than 'lol it says ponzi in the title so off to ponziboard it goes'.

I suggested "there needs to be a game component" earlier. Do you/him feel that this explanation is incomplete? Inaccurate? I'm sure that a couple of people thinking about "how to define a ponzi/pyramid scheme" can easily come up with some very comprehensive guidelines if you are suggesting that doing so will lead to their exclusion from the gambling section of this site.

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Quote from: farlack on March 12, 2014, 01:40:07 AM

Oh come on that's ignorant as fuck where do we draw the line at what is a ponzi?

Maybe the title of the thread PONZI PONZI 120% can help with the line. Or the send bitcoin here and when the next person sends me bitcoin I'll send you yours plus 20% of his. How about no algorithm being used to define terms of the game?

That's not what he said, read it again. He's asking for the same thing I've been asking for, a clearly defined set of criteria to separate those sorts of games from the rest. Ideally it would be something a bit more elegant than 'lol it says ponzi in the title so off to ponziboard it goes'. And to get around your second criteria they could just start up the BitGem type games again. As for your third, that would cover quite a few games that you wouldn't want.

Edit: Oh wait I remember where I recognize your name from, back on ignore you go.

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Oh come on that's ignorant as fuck where do we draw the line at what is a ponzi?

Maybe the title of the thread PONZI PONZI 120% can help with the line. Or the send bitcoin here and when the next person sends me bitcoin I'll send you yours plus 20% of his. How about no algorithm being used to define terms of the game?

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Quote from: Light on March 12, 2014, 01:13:08 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 01:09:33 AM

Also the answer isn't written in stone, he may still be swayed by reasonable arguments, but I don't really have a horse in this race, the extent of my gambling is hosting poker night at my place once in a while.

I'm still hoping that theymos changes his mind. I don't mind having ponzis on the site, I just dislike them in the gambling sub. Is the creation of a new sub for ponzis an option even on the cards?

Yes, click the link at the top of the quote to be taken to the thread.

Quote from: theymos on March 03, 2014, 04:05:07 PM

Quote from: roslinpl on March 03, 2014, 10:06:55 AM

Ponzi owners say to users that is "120%" "LEGIT" "STABLE" and other shit. They do not say - you MIGHT lost lost your money.

When you place a bet @casino - you know what you are doing and you know before you place a bet that you can be a looser or a winner

that is main different between Ponzi and other gambling projects.

PonziCoin says "So, I could lose all my investment? -> Yes, that is the gamble you take when playing Ponzi games," and, "you should never deposit more than you can risk losing." Does this make PonziCoin not a ponzi?

If there are many people who like traditional gambling games and not Ponzis, then a category should probably be created, but I'm not sure where the line would be drawn between Ponzis and other games. Maybe traditional games must be based 100% on chance? But that'd eliminate many other games as well.

Quote from: Vod on March 03, 2014, 03:35:05 PM

Are you serious? Casino games can be provably fair. You don't go in expecting to win. It's a chance.

If you're good at poker, you might go into a poker game expecting to win in a high percentage of games. Similarly, people skilled at playing Ponzis might expect to win often enough to get ahead. In both cases, newbies are very likely to lose a lot.

I think that it might actually be possible to make a Ponzi game trustless using advanced Bitcoin features like LockTime.

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Quote from: BadBear on March 12, 2014, 01:09:33 AM

Also the answer isn't written in stone, he may still be swayed by reasonable arguments, but I don't really have a horse in this race, the extent of my gambling is hosting poker night at my place once in a while.

I'm still hoping that theymos changes his mind. I don't mind having ponzis on the site, I just dislike them in the gambling sub. Is the creation of a new sub for ponzis an option even on the cards?

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Quote from: FUR11 on March 11, 2014, 07:14:53 PM

Quote from: BadBear on March 11, 2014, 06:59:52 PM

As for the others, well the powers that be disagree.

Just so that everyone is clear, are you saying that the official stance of bitcointalk is that ponzis that have their own website belong in the "gambling" section?

Also to clarify for anyone else that may be thinking the same thing you did, I am not the powers that be referenced there, I was talking with the admin at the time. If I were the powers that be, I certainly wouldn't call myself the powers that be, and I don't talk about myself in the third person either, that takes a special kind of asshole. I might be an asshole but I'm not that kind of asshole.

Also the answer isn't written in stone, he may still be swayed by reasonable arguments, but I don't really have a horse in this race, the extent of my gambling is hosting poker night at my place once in a while.

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^Thanks, both mods. Couldn't find the description you mentioned, but I'm sure it's around. Would be awesomer if the section was called something more descriptive, like "OMG GET in the fuckin' car it's a scam!!" but this way I still have goals and dreams...

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Quote from: theMiracle on March 11, 2014, 07:22:36 PM

Not sure I understand. The "Investment opportunity" that pays 12% daily was moved to Games and Rounds? Not Securities?

Aren't you trivializing "...English company formed by Mr. Farid Lee. Mr. Lee is an outstanding entrepreneur. He hired and formed a group of eight ( Cool

experts, who are responsible for managing investment funds in several investment tunnels"? (the smiley is actually numeral 8 after "eight" spelled out, just like in the Nigerian Prince investments)

This is no game. Nowhere in the description is the word "game" even mentioned.

What made you decide to put it in "Games and Rounds"?

Check out the description of the Gambling section:

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Gambling and all "investments" that are so risky they might as well be gambling (HYIPs, pyramid schemes, etc.)

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Quote from: FUR11 on March 11, 2014, 07:14:53 PM

Quote from: BadBear on March 11, 2014, 06:59:52 PM

As for the others, well the powers that be disagree.

Just so that everyone is clear, are you saying that the official stance of bitcointalk is that ponzis that have their own website belong in the "gambling" section?

Yes.

Quote from: theMiracle on March 11, 2014, 07:22:36 PM

Not sure I understand. The "Investment opportunity" that pays 12% daily was moved to Games and Rounds? Not Securities?

Aren't you trivializing "...English company formed by Mr. Farid Lee. Mr. Lee is an outstanding entrepreneur. He hired and formed a group of eight ( Cool

experts, who are responsible for managing investment funds in several investment tunnels"? (the smiley is actually numeral 8 after "eight" spelled out, just like in the Nigerian Prince investments)

This is no game. Nowhere in the description is the word "game" even mentioned.

What made you decide to put it in "Games and Rounds"?

Because it's referral spam where he's paying people to sign up under him.

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