What about Bitcointalk APP for Both Smartphone and Desktop Platform

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 03, 2022, 02:40:44 PM

I am not a mobile friendly person, it's too small for me. I like my laptop and feel comfortable working in it. The current forum is serving me without any problem. In fact I may feel uncomfortable if the layout changes, the BBCode version changes however at the same time I am curious to experience epochtalk.

Do I sound old? 😉

I mean, not really. I'm not looking forward to any major changes in the future. I've become quite accustomed to the current forum software, and I also share the view that laptops/desktops are miles better than phones. I don't login on phones any more, and I just use the phone for reading while out of office.

I understand users frustrations with using the forum on a mobile device, but my thoughts are I don't know how you'd effectively tackle the problem of quoting, and editing. Go to any modern forum these days (discourse), and you'd likely get the same. I've had to sign up to a site to ask a specific question before, and it would've been easier on a laptop that's for sure.

The only difference with bitcointalk or better yet the underlying software it uses Simple Machines Forum is it allows for extensive editing of the post you're replying too. A lot of modern forums don't allow this, and you simply have to quote them completely or it shows you're replying to a certain post, but not specific parts in the post itself. I personally prefer this system, despite it sometimes taking a lot longer, it allows us to be a bit more specific in our replies.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 03, 2022, 01:22:17 PM

Would rotating the device, potentially mitigate the scaling issue? Then, using IME arrows on the keyboard, allow for better editing? For example, I can't live without IME arrows. I'm actually not sure if that's a universal term, and I'm not exactly sure what the abbreviation stands for, but on my custom ROM I've got "IME arrows" which basically allow you to go back, and forward without using the backspace, and space button.

I know that highlighting text can sometimes be tricky, and then there's the quotation side of things. I just don't know what you would implement inside a app, to be better at achieving it. I've typed up fairly lengthy content on things that aren't related to the forum, and while it doesn't come close to a keyboard, it wasn't too bad. The only other complexity I see with the forum is quoting, and then editing or snipping that quote as some users like to call it. That, isn't easily fixed, because of the limitations of a phone though.

I am not a mobile friendly person, it's too small for me. I like my laptop and feel comfortable working in it. The current forum is serving me without any problem. In fact I may feel uncomfortable if the layout changes, the BBCode version changes however at the same time I am curious to experience epochtalk.

Do I sound old? 😉

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 03, 2022, 01:08:22 PM

This is a major problem I felt when I tried with mobile device. There are problems with reading also. You need to move your page right to left and left to right all the time. This is where a mobile responsive version will help.

Would rotating the device, potentially mitigate the scaling issue? Then, using IME arrows on the keyboard, allow for better editing? For example, I can't live without IME arrows. I'm actually not sure if that's a universal term, and I'm not exactly sure what the abbreviation stands for, but on my custom ROM I've got "IME arrows" which basically allow you to go back, and forward without using the backspace, and space button.

I know that highlighting text can sometimes be tricky, and then there's the quotation side of things. I just don't know what you would implement inside a app, to be better at achieving it. I've typed up fairly lengthy content on things that aren't related to the forum, and while it doesn't come close to a keyboard, it wasn't too bad. The only other complexity I see with the forum is quoting, and then editing or snipping that quote as some users like to call it. That, isn't easily fixed, because of the limitations of a phone though.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 03, 2022, 12:58:51 PM

I'm not convinced it would.

The app is not needed after all if the forum web version (current version) was mobile responsive. If epochtalk ever launch then problem solved.

Quote from: Welsh on July 03, 2022, 12:58:51 PM

Apart from editing/posting,

This is a major problem I felt when I tried with mobile device. There are problems with reading also. You need to move your page right to left and left to right all the time. This is where a mobile responsive version will help.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 03, 2022, 02:13:26 AM

While I personally don't miss having bitcointalk app and I am used to browsing on mobile phone, I do think that it would be a good addition for all those younger generations who are used to have that when accessing forum. On top of that, there are a lot of people from 3rd world countries that can't afford PC and are doing everything on mobile phones, so that would be useful for them as well. With that being said, I don't think that mobile version will happen anytime soon, if ever.

The mobile version might be a good thing to consider especially when users can't bring their laptop with them forever. Right now, 95% of my activities on the forum is on a laptop and I'm feeling fine, but at times I also have to access the forums from mobile, especially when I'm outside. It's not too annoying, but a mobile application may be needed by those who don't have a laptop yet.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 03, 2022, 12:55:35 PM

I am waiting for Theymos to confirm it 😉

Agreed, but I am very don't hope it took too many decades. LOL

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 01, 2022, 01:24:25 PM

It's gonna take one more decade for epochtalk and then another couple decade for the APP. We are waiting 😉

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What's exactly bad about Bitcointalk on a mobile phone? Apart from editing/posting, since that's going to be horrible anyway on a smaller keyboard. When I've used a phone to look at the forum, mostly to read, and not to log in mind you, I've never really had a problem with it.

I have logged in on an alt account I specifically made for insecure connections a few years ago, and I remember it being very slow to quote, and what not, but at the end of the day, would a app really make this any better? Especially, the amount of time needed to develop the app.

I'm not convinced it will, at least when you think of the effort needed to develop it, and maintain it. I guess the question is, how many users are actually using a mobile phone to connect to here? (I do suspect quite a lot)

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 03, 2022, 12:20:42 PM

epochtalk is ready however we are waiting for bitcoin to reach 100,000$ so they can launch epochtalk on a special day. Wink

Bitcoin at 6 figure! That will not be bad. I am waiting for Theymos to confirm it 😉

Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

I do not think so. Anyone who is old here they will obviously first make a post on Meta before even trying to login using the APP. For anyone this is a joyful moment so they will not miss it to share even before trying the APP. There are chances for lower rank users who could try it and they will become the victim but it will not take long to have it known for rest of us.

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Quote from: Hamza2424 on July 01, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

Due to regular visit opening browser and then login in to the Siteconsume time that not a big deal by the way still, if there will be and application then Bitcointalk can be accessible by more users and that will boost the Experience. Anytime acces will be available.

If this is the reason you want an app for btt, you can simply bookmark btt in your browser and always click to access. Then when logging in, there's an option to always stay connected, you can tick it to avoid the stress of logging in every time. Do this if it's a personal computer.

Quote from: Hamza2424 on July 01, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

That will be more secure as my perspective due to no third party Browser involvement.

The security you are saying, is it from your own end or from the forum back-end? If it's that of the forum, I think it's safe, don't know about your own end.

The talk about btt app has long been discussed in this forum and it seems theymos is not interested about it. Maybe the release of new forum software is what is important to him. I really bothered about the UI of the forum when I was new, but now, I think I am very much in love with what we have.

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I don't use bitcointalk on mobile. Sometimes i do use to browse this site on mobile (using firefox) but when I have to post, I do it on my laptop. By the way, anyone can access and post using any mobile browser in the phone, so it's not a big deal.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 01, 2022, 01:24:25 PM

It's gonna take one more decade for epochtalk and then another couple decade for the APP. We are waiting 😉

epochtalk is ready however we are waiting for bitcoin to reach 100,000$ so they can launch epochtalk on a special day. Wink

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Quote from: mk4 on July 02, 2022, 11:00:31 PM

Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

It is a posibility, but it would be better if nobody had to compromise any of their accounts whatsoever. Wink

I get what you're saying — but it's a bad idea to hinder innovation(though it's just an app, I know) just because a small minority could get in trouble.

And I agree with you. It is not my intention to stop innovation or anything like that, just try to give a little reminder of the risk associated with such innovation. Wink

I mean, this whole forum and community is about Bitcoin a cryptocurrency, isn't it?
It would be weird from a person into Bitcoin to go against collective progress, which Bitcoin is a good example of.

I'd be ok with an app for the forum.

Quote from: Rikafip on July 03, 2022, 02:13:26 AM

Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

Using this logic there shouldn't be any apps whatsoever, because what's the point if someone can upload fake app on Google PlayStore. Some people will just get scammed eventually and there is nothing that we can do about it.

Right, as I said. I am not against an app for us, forum users.
I just felt the need to point out one of the disadvantages of it for the sake having both the proc and cons on the table.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

No, it wouldn't. I am sorry if I sound like a prick, but if Bitcointalk members get tricked into downloading a fake app via the Play Store, a YouTube video, or social media without checking how and where to get the official one right here on the forum, they only have themselves to blame. Software should only be downloaded from official sources. That is true for crypto wallets as much as anything else. The official source for a Bitcointalk mobile app should be Bitcointalk.

You are not a prick Wink

And I am aware that most crypto users should be aware of the security measures to be taken when comes to downloading apps and programs. Again, I felt I needed to point out one of the cons about having an app for the forum. Of course that does not mean there will not be many pros with it.

I would personally use such app if ever came to be.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

No, it wouldn't. I am sorry if I sound like a prick, but if Bitcointalk members get tricked into downloading a fake app via the Play Store, a YouTube video, or social media without checking how and where to get the official one right here on the forum, they only have themselves to blame. Software should only be downloaded from official sources. That is true for crypto wallets as much as anything else. The official source for a Bitcointalk mobile app should be Bitcointalk.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

Using this logic there shouldn't be any apps whatsoever, because what's the point if someone can upload fake app on Google PlayStore. Some people will just get scammed eventually and there is nothing that we can do about it.

While I personally don't miss having bitcointalk app and I am used to browsing on mobile phone, I do think that it would be a good addition for all those younger generations who are used to have that when accessing forum. On top of that, there are a lot of people from 3rd world countries that can't afford PC and are doing everything on mobile phones, so that would be useful for them as well. With that being said, I don't think that mobile version will happen anytime soon, if ever.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 02, 2022, 02:28:44 PM

It is a posibility, but it would be better if nobody had to compromise any of their accounts whatsoever. Wink

I get what you're saying — but it's a bad idea to hinder innovation(though it's just an app, I know) just because a small minority could get in trouble.

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Some development is certainly expected for a better user experience. But so far, I think that my habit of using the bitcointalk.org site should not be immediately replaced by the emergence of applications for smartphones or desktop applications. I never considered it a very urgent need even though the epochtalk was eagerly awaited. Of course this will take a lot of time until in the end we never know when it will be officially released.

But I don't know, I don't expect to be too senile later when epochtalk is officially released and used by the public. Cheesy

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I think having Bitcointalk app is not necessary to make because Bitcointalk is already easy to access even if you are using either desktop or mobile phone. I think having an app might also be a risk that could happen to anyone like someone able to have access with your account. Just look at fivestar's image and I think that will surely answer your question if having a Bitcointalk app is a good idea. For me, Bitcointalk is already smooth for mobile phone users and desktop.

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Quote from: mk4 on July 02, 2022, 09:13:54 AM

Quote from: Hispo on July 01, 2022, 04:39:05 PM

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I mean, if a certain user can get tricked by fake Play Store apps, chances are, he/she's going to mess something up through Google search result scam ads anyway. And if anything, they might as well learn the hard way by getting their Bitcointalk accounts stolen rather than their exchange accounts.

It is a posibility, but it would be better if nobody had to compromise any of their accounts whatsoever. Wink

I wonder what would be more likely:

Someone getting tricked by a fake BBT app on the play store or being tricked by a stream on YT about Elon Musk doubling any amount of crypto sent to an specific address?

Quote from: Pmalek on July 02, 2022, 11:34:51 AM

The app should only be downloadable from this forum and the app's announcement thread.

That unfortunately would not stop a bad actor from uploading a fake version to the play store, any BBT user unaware of the official link/thread could potentially fall for the scam.

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Sorry to say but personally, i don't see any chance of Bitcointalk ever having an app, ive some time in April this year proposed this to theymos in a private message, i wanted to take up the responsibility upon myself, hire the developers, spend the money, pay whatever price it will take for Bitcointalk to have its own official app available for both Android, iPhone, Mac and Windows, All i wanted from theymos was his approval, but unfortunately, he did not reply, which to me, simply means the idea is not a good one Grin

Below is a screenshot of my message to him in private.

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I remember several years ago there was an unofficial application, where you can get a good interface, but the application was not official and therefore both your privacy and the security of your account will be at risk so I do not recommend it to anyone.

Unfortunately, we can do nothing, try to collect signatures from all the university and faculty members and you will find better pressure on them.

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If one day we do get an official phone app, it doesn't need to be hosted on Play Store at all. I think the requirements are different for iPhone apps, but since I don't have one, I can't really say. The app should only be downloadable from this forum and the app's announcement thread.

I have no need for it and wouldn't use one even if it was available. I browse the forum exclusively via desktop devices. I have posted on the forum with my phone maybe 5 times in all these years. But I understand that many people use phones exclusively and it would be a much more pleasant experience if they can have a nicely optimized app for that. A desktop app is nonsense though and a waste of time.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 01, 2022, 04:39:05 PM

Besides, it would be another vector of attack for fishing scams against members of this forum.
We all are aware how easy is to upload any kind of scam app onto the Play Store, I have no doubt some bad actor would upload a clone and test their luck to steal some accounts.

I mean, if a certain user can get tricked by fake Play Store apps, chances are, he/she's going to mess something up through Google search result scam ads anyway. And if anything, they might as well learn the hard way by getting their Bitcointalk accounts stolen rather than their exchange accounts.

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