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LOTEO
September 13, 2016, 07:30:43 PM
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I'm curious, would it really be better for Hong Kong to be independent or should it to continue to be a part of China and try to influence the rest of the country into stopping their bad policies?

I'll admit I'm not very well-versed on what has been going on, but I am interested because there are a lot of Bitcoin miners and pools that are based out of the mainland.
Suppose it was possible without war. A transactions will have a lot of changes that are required. Hong Kong would need to do everything on its own and such a change may take a while to stabilize. Brexit is a perfect example, many changes are required before a region can be independent. It's not something that can occur overnight but a long (1,2 years) process. I don't know if Hong Kong can be self-sustainable at this point.
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September 13, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
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I'm curious, would it really be better for Hong Kong to be independent or should it to continue to be a part of China and try to influence the rest of the country into stopping their bad policies?

I'll admit I'm not very well-versed on what has been going on, but I am interested because there are a lot of Bitcoin miners and pools that are based out of the mainland.
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September 13, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.

Better to have the locusts on shopping spree than on a firing spree Smiley.

I saw a good clip on the rebel village of China... Those corrupt officials stealing land from Chinese people and selling it for their own benefits deserve to be inquired... And then what happen if guilty is automatic. Bye bye...

The most important thing for China is to fight and guarantee the integrity of the communist party... The more the corruption the closer the end is... And it's quite an unknown what a transition might bring... Because if you believe Middle East is problematic... It's because you have no idea about China's history.

Peace, stability, harmony, honesty, sustainability; safety, liberty and love.
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LOTEO
September 13, 2016, 07:49:06 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.

They could always invite the Brits and their allies back.

 Wink

The Brits are no longer a major military power.
They could ask for the American support, but I really doubt whether the Americans would risk war with China at this point of time.
The Brits are actively working together with all of their former colonies. The Americans celebrate the 4th of July, but they went to Iraq together with the Brits. This is not some strange kind of paradox. The Brits are actively working on restoring their old world empire. They are a major military power, they have nuclear missiles and they have major influence in all of their former colonies.


we should have given them british citizenship and let them hold a referendum 20 years ago
First Brexit and then HongKongin ? I don't think the people from Hong Kong will get a British citizenship.
 

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September 13, 2016, 07:38:38 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.

They could always invite the Brits and their allies back.

 Wink

The Brits are no longer a major military power. They could ask for the American support, but I really doubt whether the Americans would risk war with China at this point of time.


U.S. FORGES AHEAD WITH INCURSIONS INTO S.CHINA SEA DISPUTED WATERS





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Sputnik reports The United States will continue its presence in the East China and South China seas. The United States will continue its presence in the East China and South China seas to the extent allowed by the international law allows, President Barack Obama said Tuesday.


U.S. FORGES AHEAD WITH INCURSIONS INTO S.CHINA SEA DISPUTED WATERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgvyASRdmVg



Read more at http://nextnewsnetwork.com/u-s-forges-ahead-with-incursions-into-s-china-sea-disputed-waters/.


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September 13, 2016, 07:16:45 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.

They could always invite the Brits and their allies back.

 Wink

The Brits are no longer a major military power. They could ask for the American support, but I really doubt whether the Americans would risk war with China at this point of time.
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LOTEO
September 13, 2016, 07:05:31 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.
Hong Kong is surrounded by China. I don't think they have enough power to declare total independence. They may have to fight the entire Chinese military. They could be supported by other countries, which may give them a chance, but at what cost?

Unless Chinese politicians decide to let it go, independence won't happen for Hong Kong. It is too small an area to withstand any conflict with China and they have ownership of it now. The best you can hope for is to keep the courts and laws independent from the mainland. Those were part of the reason it became so powerful in that part of the world, because a judge wasn't afraid to embarrass even the highest politicians if they did wrong.
I agree that it's not likely but why does it work for Taiwan and not Hong Kong? Is the reason because Taiwan is surrounded by water? It's very close to mainland China. I know that the CCCP does not accept Taiwans independence but they act like an independent country.
 
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September 13, 2016, 07:05:16 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.

They could always invite the Brits and their allies back.

 Wink
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September 13, 2016, 06:55:44 AM
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I am not sure whether there is enough support for a complete separation from China in Hong Kong. Most of the people are afraid that if they push too hard, then the Chinese will just annex them and cancel the special powers.
legendary
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September 13, 2016, 06:53:31 AM
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But if you work it right, you can do things in Hong Kong. Look at Forex Paradise (https://forexparadise.biz/) with it's main office in Hong Kong, and a second in England.

I'm halfway through my "600% in 60 days" program with them. They might be gone later today, but they have been around for well over 2 years. So, they could be around for a long time yet.

The whole fiat banking system is a Ponzi scheme. It needs more and more people and companies to borrow money just to remain in existence. But, the borrowed money has to cover making loan payments. If it doesn't, future bank loans dry up.

Why do I mention the banking Ponzi here? I have been wondering if Forex Paradise is working off bank loans from Hong Kong banks, loans that Hong Kong is using to bolster their part of the fiat Ponzi. Hong Kong government officials would like to keep the banking Ponzi flowing for themselves, in an effort to expand into Western wealth arenas. What better way than to make a Ponzi like Forex Paradise? If there is any truth in the $dollar amounts flowing through Forex Paradise, their deposits into the program are right around $100,000,000. That's REAL money in anybody's thinking.

Forex Pradise just might be around for a long time, being used to build strength into the HK banking system, as long as their reputation stays. I mean, look at how long the fiat banking Ponzi has lasted in America, simply because the Federal Reserve Bank didn't get too wild with its programs over the last hundred years.

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September 12, 2016, 06:22:15 PM
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BULLSHIT  CCCP
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September 11, 2016, 06:35:27 AM
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Hong Kong Independance


pro !!!
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September 10, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
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Hong Kong Election Hopeful Quits After 'Threats From Beijing'

2016-09-07


A candidate in recent elections to Hong Kong's legislature has said he abandoned his campaign after being threatened by "three men from Beijing," fueling further concerns over the erosion of the city's freedoms under Chinese rule.

Ken Chow, who had planned to run for a seat in the city's Legislative Council (LegCo) from the New Territories West electoral district for the moderate Liberal Party, said he was warned off with threats by people who appeared to know a lot about his family.

The meeting took place at a hotel across the internal immigration border in neighboring Shenzhen, where he was introduced to the three men by a "friend."

"If I did not comply with their request, then important people surrounding me would face serious consequences, and they [said] they will act immediately," Chow, who withdrew from the LegCo race ahead of last Sunday's poll, told a news conference on Wednesday.

He said the men had shown that they had extremely detailed information about the background, financial situation and daily activities of "all the people that are important to me."

Chow said he hadn't reported the incident to the Hong Kong authorities, because he believed the case was outside their jurisdiction.

"They have no power to arrest mainland officials, or people outside Hong Kong, and their behavior [took place] outside Hong Kong," he said.

Chow left Hong Kong for the United Kingdom, where he said he was also followed.

Pro-Beijing candidate Junius Ho went on to win the seat Chow had contested.

Chow said he had been approached by another unidentified man on three occasions and told not to continue to fight the seat, and by another unidentified person who offered him a large amount of money.

"I told them, if you say any more, you are violating the law," he told reporters in Hong Kong.

He said he had made a report to the city's Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) after arriving back in the city on Monday.




Victory for pro-democracy parties

Sunday's LegCo elections saw pro-democracy parties increased their seats in LegCo to 30 out of 70, enough to veto constitutional change, including unpopular national security legislation.

They also saw Nathan Law, 23, former leader of the 2014 Occupy Central movement for universal suffrage become the city's youngest-ever lawmaker, and three candidates from "localist" groups who want more autonomy for the city elected alongside traditional pan-democrats.

Liberal Party chairwoman Selina Chow said Chow's claims sounded plausible, as did key figures among pan-democrats.

But Jasper Tsang, who heads the pro-Beijing Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB), said he found Chow's story "strange."

"If somebody really tried to threaten Mr. Chow and make him give up his election campaign, if it was me, I would have asked them why, because it isn't very logical to force a candidate to give up his campaign when he commands next-to-nothing in terms of popular support," Tsang told reporters.

"Why didn't they spend more time on people who actually had a chance of winning ... who could win a lot of votes?"

Beijing has repeatedly warned that "separatist" ideas won't be tolerated in the former British colony, and election candidates were forced to sign a declaration rejecting independence.

Authorities in Hong Kong had earlier barred several candidates from taking part in the election, citing the candidates’ openly stated support for Hong Kong’s independence.

The administration of Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying reportedly acted on instructions from Beijing officials, who were unhappy that more candidates hadn't been disbarred, according to Reuters.

Leung has also ordered schools to punish any talk of independence among students, threatening teachers with deregistration if they are found encouraging it.

A recent opinion survey showed that almost 40 percent of young people in Hong Kong favor independence for the city in 2047, when existing arrangements with China expire.

The elections came amid grave warnings that Hong Kong's traditional freedoms of speech, publication and judicial independence are being eroded, following the cross-border detentions of five booksellers and an attempt by the Justice Department to influence sentences handed down to Occupy Central protesters by a magistrate.

Reported by Lam Kwok-lap for RFA's Cantonese Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.


http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/hong-kong-election-hopeful-quits-after-threats-from-beijing-09072016112236.html
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September 10, 2016, 10:58:52 AM
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Looking at forex assets of HK.

Nope. Never ever.
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September 10, 2016, 10:55:00 AM
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Unless Chinese politicians decide to let it go, independence won't happen for Hong Kong. It is too small an area to withstand any conflict with China and they have ownership of it now. The best you can hope for is to keep the courts and laws independent from the mainland. Those were part of the reason it became so powerful in that part of the world, because a judge wasn't afraid to embarrass even the highest politicians if they did wrong.
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September 10, 2016, 09:33:54 AM
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I don't think that such thing will ever happen.
China have the same policy all her history.
This policy is ''One China''.
So, they even didn't give up from Taiwan, 70 years after separation so it's not likely they will ever give up from Hong Kong.
They waited 99 years to get this territory back and will never give up from HK.
China was forced to give some political and economical rights to Hong Kong but as soon as they can, I think after 50 years (according to agreement with UK from 1997) they will abolish all the special rights and freedoms of Hong Kong, no doubt about it.
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September 10, 2016, 07:47:11 AM
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An for those with a iq lower than a goat... This is how I became friend again with the cccp... Hahah. The higher the fall the longer the cat has to fall on his legs Smiley

Sincerely this is raw genius... The children of China should be able to express totally freely without consequences what so ever... Foreigners family of the dead will have to chose between the different curry sauce their loved one($) are send back...

Peace trough strength, China wide.

im not really scared to die there, you can leave your umbrella there for 2 hours at an atm on a rainy day and stop by to collect is because you forgot it

If it would be my backpack im sure it would be there too. In the west they'd call anti terrorist bullshit in 2 hour or your ripped off
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September 10, 2016, 07:18:36 AM
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An for those with a iq lower than a goat... This is how I became friend again with the cccp... Hahah. The higher the fall the longer the cat has to fall on his legs Smiley

Sincerely this is raw genius... The children of China should be able to express totally freely without consequences what so ever... Foreigners family of the dead will have to chose between the different curry sauce their loved one($) are send back...

Peace trough strength, China wide.


bullshit enough
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September 09, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
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An for those with a iq lower than a goat... This is how I became friend again with the cccp... Hahah. The higher the fall the longer the cat has to fall on his legs Smiley

Sincerely this is raw genius... The children of China should be able to express totally freely without consequences what so ever... Foreigners family of the dead will have to chose between the different curry sauce their loved one($) are send back...

Peace trough strength, China wide.
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September 09, 2016, 02:51:58 PM
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I fear to repeat myself, but I am certain the China would have all to win to allow total freedom of speech. I understand the risks that foreign influences represent. However it's not because chineses have total freedom of speech that the foreign should have it... China 101 Wink!

Fucking foreigners want to promote his filth, fucking foreigners die. Easy 101.

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