What are the basic features of 2nd gen cryptocoins?

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Quote from: Wesley on August 08, 2014, 07:43:28 AM

Sounds right, but what would you call something like Bitcoin with Mastercoin or Colored Coins? Or Peercoin with Peershares? Sometimes a first generation coin can have second generation features layered on top of it.

They aren't really second generation coins, that's just name calling. Of course it can have features layered on top of it which is great indeed.
What would you call anonymous coins then? They aren't first generation for sure, if you plan on using these names.

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Quote from: EvilDave on August 08, 2014, 07:18:51 AM

Heres a simple definition:

First generation crypto currencies have very limited functionality, you can store and transfer tokens in a secure and stable manner, using the blockchain as a simple transaction ledger.
Examples are Bitcoin, Litecoin, DOGE.....and pretty much all of their clones.

Second generation crypto-currencies use the blockchain as not only a means of storage and transfer, but also to offer extra functionality, such as marketplaces, financial apps, colored coins......
Examples are NXT, Counterparty, Mastercoin,.....

Second gen currencies are more like financial eco-systems, built on a blockchain, using their own currency as fuel for their application systems.

Sounds right, but what would you call something like Bitcoin with Mastercoin or Colored Coins? Or Peercoin with Peershares? Sometimes a first generation coin can have second generation features layered on top of it.

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Heres a simple definition:

First generation crypto currencies have very limited functionality, you can store and transfer tokens in a secure and stable manner, using the blockchain as a simple transaction ledger.
Examples are Bitcoin, Litecoin, DOGE.....and pretty much all of their clones.

Second generation crypto-currencies use the blockchain as not only a means of storage and transfer, but also to offer extra functionality, such as marketplaces, financial apps, colored coins......
Examples are NXT, Counterparty, Mastercoin,.....

Second gen currencies are more like financial eco-systems, built on a blockchain, using their own currency as fuel for their application systems.

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Quote from: MaxDZ8 on August 07, 2014, 04:01:08 PM

If you guys think 2nd gen difference to be technical you're wrong big way.
Not only the tool, but how is it used. A simple mindset shift can make a difference.

totally agree!

2nd gen coin must reach a lot of more people than any other coins, except, maybe btc itself!

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Quote from: rabbiter on August 06, 2014, 10:42:03 AM

Quote from: miramare on August 06, 2014, 10:26:42 AM

I am writing an introducing paper to cryptocurrency. I have a doubt in my mind.

"What are the basic features of 2nd gen cryptocoins compared to Bitcoin?"

or in another words:

"What are the necessary ingredients of 2nd gen crytpocoin? What make them be 2nd-gen rather than 1st-gen?"

In your mind, how many 2nd gen coins there are so far? Which ones?

Some people call coins like Mastercoin that is built ontop of the a bitcoin protocol second generation but personally I think a coin needs to have a completely new code to be true 'second generation'.

There are actually very few in my definition out in the wild though there are a bunch that are but are so much related to NXT I question how much they are new or just a re jig of the NXT code.

So new code that I know of released are:

NXT
Ripple
Qora
Exocoin?

yet to be released:
Node? Possibly just a recode of NXT.
NEM seems like a re jig of NXT, the wallet looks just like NXT but I don't really know. They claim new code.
Emunie Not sure it's still going to exist
Etherurm Corporate sponsored scam, but many will disagree with me.
Syscoin?
Crypti I'm convinced is a scam.

I'll update this list if people show it's a genuine new code.

yeah...Emunie seems gone Sad

Too bad! i've a lot of faith in it

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1.Have own blockchain.
2.POS or more efficient than POW.
3.Have more tools except transaction,such as asset exchange,message,DNS,and so on.
4.Decentralized.

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If you guys think 2nd gen difference to be technical you're wrong big way.
Not only the tool, but how is it used. A simple mindset shift can make a difference.

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Quote from: zadiume on August 07, 2014, 12:17:59 PM

Ive never seen a "2nd gen" crypto.

Get out from under your rock!

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Ive never seen a "2nd gen" crypto.

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I have found this article good. It suggests it all started with Namecoin:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112052/the-race-to-the-moon-blackcoin-and-nxt-compete-for-crypto-20-crown

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Hard to fight "pseudo-anonymity" :-)

I am currently backing a team at the moment that is actually working to "de-anonymize" people, systems, nodes, content and transactions to build reputation on an opt-in basis through a Web of Trust.

The details are up for comment now at:

http://www.idcoins.org

We have an open forum on the StartJoin crowdfunding platform at the moment, soliciting feedback.

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Quote from: miramare on August 06, 2014, 10:26:42 AM

I am writing an introducing paper to cryptocurrency. I have a doubt in my mind.

"What are the basic features of 2nd gen cryptocoins compared to Bitcoin?"

or in another words:

"What are the necessary ingredients of 2nd gen crytpocoin? What make them be 2nd-gen rather than 1st-gen?"

In your mind, how many 2nd gen coins there are so far? Which ones?

2nd gen - coin solving the problems of the Bitcoins and it early forks:

- truly anonymous (in Bitcoin everyone can track your address)
- faster than Bitcoin (<<10 min confirmation time)
- low mining threshold (current Bitcoin is area for big ASIC-miners. Real 2nd gen have to be ASIC-resistance)
- PoW like a system have their own disadvantages like 51% attack, ecological problems (more Mhash => more Watts) and etc

There are main criteria of 2gen coin for me.

There are a lot of coins implements some of that - NEM, NXT, Monero, Bytecoin(BCN), Darkcoin etc.

P.S. And 2gen is the marketing ploy, of course. Each ScamCoin is perspective, innovative, 2nd gen and truly anonymous.

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Quote from: digitalindustry on August 06, 2014, 12:00:29 PM

IPO Scam
Java
Java
IPO scam
100's of sock-puppet forum accounts
Java
"Market cap" skillz
Java Warez
own exchange

note- also Java

+1000

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Quote from: Jungian on August 06, 2014, 05:17:40 PM

Quote from: Amph on August 06, 2014, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: 50cent_rapper on August 06, 2014, 10:36:11 AM

I think that the most important distinction between 1-gen coins and 2-coins is that 2d gens are trying to be not just electronic coins+transfer system but an infrastructure, so that the additional applications/software can be build very easily on top of 2d gen or right into the wallet.

Second gens are: Crypti, NXT, NEM, Etherium and more...

notice how all those coins are not minable, not really looking forward to them...i don't like at all their distribution method(ipo shit)

Etherium will be mineable, no?

There's a reward mechanism built into the protocol -- I look at it more as an "infrastructure" -- and I would be willing to pay for use of the platform for some use cases just like I am willing to pay for VPS and hosting services.

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Well I think that most of them are just naming gimmicks '2nd generation'. Even if it's the 10th generation the chances of a coin dethroning Bitcoin are slim.

Quote from: digitalindustry on August 06, 2014, 12:00:29 PM

IPO Scam
Java
Java
IPO scam
100's of sock-puppet forum accounts
Java
"Market cap" skillz
Java Warez
own exchange

note- also Java

This. I have watched many of these coins from the beginning and after proper research I have stayed away from most of them.
You could just start coding a coin 'from scratch' (You will definitely find similarities if it goes open source), and call it a 5th generation coin. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Amph on August 06, 2014, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: 50cent_rapper on August 06, 2014, 10:36:11 AM

I think that the most important distinction between 1-gen coins and 2-coins is that 2d gens are trying to be not just electronic coins+transfer system but an infrastructure, so that the additional applications/software can be build very easily on top of 2d gen or right into the wallet.

Second gens are: Crypti, NXT, NEM, Etherium and more...

notice how all those coins are not minable, not really looking forward to them...i don't like at all their distribution method(ipo shit)

Etherium will be mineable, no?

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Quote from: 50cent_rapper on August 06, 2014, 10:36:11 AM

I think that the most important distinction between 1-gen coins and 2-coins is that 2d gens are trying to be not just electronic coins+transfer system but an infrastructure, so that the additional applications/software can be build very easily on top of 2d gen or right into the wallet.

Second gens are: Crypti, NXT, NEM, Etherium and more...

notice how all those coins are not minable, not really looking forward to them...i don't like at all their distribution method(ipo shit)

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Quote from: randayh on August 06, 2014, 04:43:42 PM

3rd gen will become self aware

Ethereum

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3rd gen will become self aware

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2nd gen has some other major function than operating as a currency.

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