Topic: what are the chances for a democratic revolution in china (Read 1473 times)

From what I've heard/read, the Chinese like it the way it is.  There is no move mass movement to change anything...at the moment.  They embrace capitalism, but are communist, it's weird.

Awesome points. I heard that FEMA concentration camp and plastic coffin theory. Actually, FEMA has tens thousands of plastic coffins for shit-hits-the-fan scenarios when you don't want corpses everywhere. And also have modular camps that can be set up in a few hours, to provide emergency shelter in those cases.

In regards to revolutions... revolutions now are changed. We need only 2-3 victims to be outraged. Back in the history, the regimes would massacre thousands nobody would lift a finger (see Rwanda). Now, with mass communications, nobody would even think of that. Too many cameras even in Africa now. This technology can make us witnesses and nobody wants to witness that.

Awesome points. I heard that FEMA concentration camp and plastic coffin theory. Actually, FEMA has tens thousands of plastic coffins for shit-hits-the-fan scenarios when you don't want corpses everywhere. And also have modular camps that can be set up in a few hours, to provide emergency shelter in those cases.

In regards to revolutions... revolutions now are changed. We need only 2-3 victims to be outraged. Back in the history, the regimes would massacre thousands nobody would lift a finger (see Rwanda). Now, with mass communications, nobody would even think of that. Too many cameras even in Africa now. This technology can make us witnesses and nobody wants to witness that.

You don't actually know that much about the US, do you?

First, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) is primary tasked with natural disaster relief (hurricane cleanup, flood evacuation, etc.). When it comes to throwing people in "concentration camps", they are at the bottom of the list next to the US Postal Service.

Second, public knowledge of those types of actions by the Federal government result in a enormous PR backlash on the administration, see Waco and Ruby Ridge as prime examples.

Third, there are more armed citizens in the US than there are military and paramilitary soldiers in the entire world (over 120 MILLION). Owning and using firearms is a cultural phenomenon in the US, has been for over 200 years, and this is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Forcible disarmament is even less likely than anyone successfully occupying Afghanistan.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA The USA left that stance 100's of years ago..  Fema could throw you all into concentration camps and you would not lift a finger.  The America american's are so proud of is LONG dead, long dead.  Only a country of debt slaves remains, scared of their own shadow.  No real American would of let the "patriort" act be signed in, it's over boys.

And why wouldn't they want to have a free-trade agreement? Hmm.. someone should wiki Opium Wars.

btw, rest of Your post is retarded.

For many centuries China had little intercourse with other countries. Various European nations tried to form commercial relations with her, and there was buying and selling between them, but it was most unsatisfactory. The rules made by the Chinese were as fickle as the wind. Often the merchants, or "foreign devils," as the Chinese called them, were in danger of their lives. Several nations had sent representatives to China, and in 1792 England decided to send Lord Macartney as an ambassador to the emperor in the hope of establishing safe and reasonable relations of trade. Even before the ambassador landed, the Chinese contrived to run up a flag on the vessel that bore him up the Peiho, whereon was written "Tribute-bearer from England." This was quite in accordance with the Chinese custom of claiming all gifts as tribute. Another custom of theirs was that whoever approached the throne of the emperor must perform the kowtow, that is, must kneel three times, and at each kneeling must bow three times till his head touched the floor. This was the way in which the greater idols were approached and signified that the emperor was a god. Lord Macartney told the Chinese legate that he would not perform the kowtow unless a high officer of state would kowtow before a picture of the King of England. The emperor finally agreed to admit the ambassador, who bent his knee, as he would have done before his own sovereign. The next English ambassador, Lord Amherst, who came in 1817, refused to kowtow, was told that he was a very rude man who did not know how to behave, and was bidden to go home at once.

Ahahahahahahahahaha.... I love when people post shit like this. Dude you have no idea what living in a repressed country is like. I'm not knocking the Chinese, they have their own way of doing things. But to imply that they have the same level of personal freedom as Americans is patently absurd.

And you actually have it backwards about the puppet regimes - it was the countries that tried to stay closed off to the rest of the world, that got puppets installed. China is the perfect example of this, they tried to keep closed to the outside world, which led to them getting behind technologically (after having been very advanced for a long period.) Then England came and China wasn't interested in opening up to free trade and such with them, and boom they got invaded by an advanced army and more or less colonized for a period of time.

What "freedoms" are you talking about? What freedoms does an american have that a chinese doesn't? They can both move wherever they want. Walk wherever they want. Sure, they cannot TALK how they want but that is easy to understand how it got to be like that. Any country on Earth that has been open for western(English then American) influence has ended up With a puppet regime. Including EVERY EU country.

i see the point about Confucianism teaching people to be obedient to authority.
but wouldn't the internet change the perspectives of at least the urban Chinese (you know, the one's who have internet)?
i mean, these people are not cut out from the outside world like the older generations were, they see how people live in other countries where freedom is abundant (well at least when compared with China).
is there really no chance these people will gang up on their dictators?
with the sheer amount of people they have they could simply march on Beijing and throw those communist party tyrants from their collars into a jail cell.

i see the point about Confucianism teaching people to be obedient to authority.
but wouldn't the internet change the perspectives of at least the urban Chinese (you know, the one's who have internet)?
i mean, these people are not cut out from the outside world like the older generations were, they see how people live in other countries where freedom is abundant (well at least when compared with China).
is there really no chance these people will gang up on their dictators?
with the sheer amount of people they have they could simply march on Beijing and throw those communist party tyrants from their collars into a jail cell.

i see the point about Confucianism teaching people to be obedient to authority.
but wouldn't the internet change the perspectives of at least the urban Chinese (you know, the one's who have internet)?
i mean, these people are not cut out from the outside world like the older generations were, they see how people live in other countries where freedom is abundant (well at least when compared with China).
is there really no chance these people will gang up on their dictators?
with the sheer amount of people they have they could simply march on Beijing and throw those communist party tyrants from their collars into a jail cell.

Communism and Marxism are interchangeable to many, a dangerous misconception. Communal societies have existed for thousands of years, while Marxism was only created during the mid-nineteenth century. Communism is the general communal sharing of property. Marxism is specific to industrial nations, involving the revolutionary overthrow of the pro-capitalist government from the roots by an oppressed proletarian class, leading to the emancipation of the proletariate from the bottom of the social hierarchy, the formation of a single class from the abolition of all classes, and the abolition of private property such that all property becomes public. Marxist theory predicts the proletariat will inevitably seize control of the means of production. Marxism is so specific that a nation could be under Communist rule without following the Marxist doctrine.

          Another common misconception is that all Communist states are the same, a mistake even the US government believed in early stages of the Cold War. Communist nations have their own unique style of Communism. Russia for example, regards itself as the most authentic communist nation, following a Marx-Leninist doctrine, yet it is also a highly stratified nation. A better example of a variation from Marxism is the Communist Revolution of China. Though the idea of a functional communal society was present, numerous deviations from Marxism exist.

          The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, served as the foundation for Marxism, which was aimed at highly industrialized nations like Britain or Germany, and not rural agrarian societies like China.

Democratic revolution in China not happening in my lifetime. The Chinese culture is far too Confucian (read: obedient) for a grassroot campaign against their totalitarian regime.

How are you going to make wolves out of a bunch of kids that have been raised as sheeples? "Eat Bitter" is taught to kids in China. http://community.travelchinaguide.com/forum2.asp?i=47529

Compare it with the West (USA), where rugged individualism reigns supreme, and the disagreement stance is something like, "Fuck you Mr. Big Government, try taking away our guns and see what happens."