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Quote from: Jawhead999 on June 27, 2024, 12:05:59 PM

People will choose to withdraw at one time, because we don't know how long the casino will survive. We also need to count inflation too, the value of $100 today would be different in the next year, so the gambler is in loss.

Using that illustration, someone win $4 Million, if the casino only allow $100K per month, it means he need to wait for 3 years and half in order to get all of his winning.

Having withdrawal limits only give benefits to the casino.

It would really be just that common sense. No one would be on their right minds that they would really be making up some withdrawal in small parts on which if ever the casino
do make out some option or recommending on having that kind of withdrawal method or ways then i dont really believe that they are really that been in concern
with their gamblers but rather they might really be not that having those kind of money that they could be able to pay off those wins directly or in bulk
and on this case then it would really be making out some possible issues that might be raised if someone cant really be able to withdraw their winnings.

Most of known and big sites or platforms that we do have today on which they would really be able to release those funds or withdrawals without any issues.
The only thing or problem that i do saw is on the moment that they do require with KYC..

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

However, after seeing This post by lovesmayfamilis about a gamble winner who died of heart attack when he won jackpot of $4 million, I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

the guy apparently didn't die. if you read further into the thread lovesmayfamilis posted you'll see a member post an article where it says that the guy didn't die but just passed out because of the excitement of winning $4 million and is now recovering from the incident.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on June 27, 2024, 12:05:59 PM

Having withdrawal limits only give benefits to the casino.

overall, yeah, withdrawal limits majorly benefit the casino as it protects the casino's assets from big withdrawals that could affect their day-to-day operation.

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People will choose to withdraw at one time, because we don't know how long the casino will survive. We also need to count inflation too, the value of $100 today would be different in the next year, so the gambler is in loss.

Using that illustration, someone win $4 Million, if the casino only allow $100K per month, it means he need to wait for 3 years and half in order to get all of his winning.

Having withdrawal limits only give benefits to the casino.

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Though I know that withdrawal limits can have some merits in certain situations, I don't agree with the point you have mentioned where the guy collapsed after winning a huge amount in a physical casino. I know that things like these can happen to any person who has heart conditions or other diseases, but I don't think this is enough reason for casinos to have withdrawal limits on the money someone has won because not every gambler would have the same health conditions.

If I'm all healthy and have the capability to contain the happiness and excitement that I may get after winning a huge amount, I would like the casino to pay me in full so that I can use that money for something good. I wouldn't be able to start a business if I'm getting $20,000 a month after winning $4m.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

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He won after winning, not after withdrawing lol. Withdrawal does jack with regards to someone experiencing the extreme adrenaline that people have when winning. It only serves to control people by letting/incentivizing them to play with the money they won instead of withdrawing it outside in which the latter means no profit (and just loss) for the casino, the former means the casino can potentially get back the money they gave out to the winner.

As for any merits well, I don't really see any. At least in the user side. Heck I can only see the only reason for a limit to exist is what I said earlier, so that the money stays in the casino and the players be tempted to play with it than withdrawing it.

I thought the same thing, he died after winning... and this is not the first time I hear about something like this. Extreme adrenaline is dangerous for people with weak hearts, and winning big money can raise adrenalin to the roof. Bad things happen, it's simply life.

But when it comes to withdrawal limits I don't see any good sides as well. If casinos allow people to play big and they have big prizes they should be able to pay all at once if someone wins. That would be fair. Holding someone's winnings and paying out in parts is not fair.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on June 26, 2024, 06:28:52 PM

Well it not entirely a bad practice for centralized casinos to set withdrawal limits this is because some times those limits are set by the regulators who gives the casino the guidelines of operation, for example when you want to withdraw above $5,000 from some casinos, you are required to meet the level 2 kyc so anytime you chose to withdraw amount above $5k you should know that you are doing so with having it at the back of your mind to provide extra documents to get verified.

Aside from that limits, I think any other deliberate limits set is against the players right and also attempt to withhold gamblers money unnecessary and only scam casinos does that act.

True, I think there are fixed rules and regulations in the casino to set a limit on withdrawals because if there is one withdrawal with too much money, it is subject to question. They of course need to see if it is really from the platform or if the gambler did anything bad or suspicious in order to win that huge amount of money. It is part of the protocol, I guess, and as the government is involved in the casino to set limits and as the government is involved in the casino to set limits and regulations, the platform needs to comply with the government by setting a limit on the withdrawal process. And I think even though there will be a limit per transaction to withdraw, you can still withdraw the remaining. Maybe after some time or there might be a cooldown before you can withdraw again. Let's be aware of this kind of stuff in technology. It's normal because if they let anyone withdraw any amount they want, they may be affected. Imagine if many gamblers cash out a huge amount of money, then it will have a bad effect on the platform.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

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He won after winning, not after withdrawing lol. Withdrawal does jack with regards to someone experiencing the extreme adrenaline that people have when winning. It only serves to control people by letting/incentivizing them to play with the money they won instead of withdrawing it outside in which the latter means no profit (and just loss) for the casino, the former means the casino can potentially get back the money they gave out to the winner.

As for any merits well, I don't really see any. At least in the user side. Heck I can only see the only reason for a limit to exist is what I said earlier, so that the money stays in the casino and the players be tempted to play with it than withdrawing it.

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Well it not entirely a bad practice for centralized casinos to set withdrawal limits this is because some times those limits are set by the regulators who gives the casino the guidelines of operation, for example when you want to withdraw above $5,000 from some casinos, you are required to meet the level 2 kyc so anytime you chose to withdraw amount above $5k you should know that you are doing so with having it at the back of your mind to provide extra documents to get verified.

Aside from that limits, I think any other deliberate limits set is against the players right and also attempt to withhold gamblers money unnecessary and only scam casinos does that act.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

Most casinos set withdrawal limits and this is usually perceived by some gamblers as bad practice. However, after seeing This post by lovesmayfamilis about a gamble winner who died of heart attack when he won jackpot of $4 million, I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

In your given case an example of a person having a heart attack from winning a huge amount of money, I believe it is irrelevant to the merit an demerit of a withdrawal limits. The heart attack were triggered even before the person can withdraw his won money so it is not related to whether the person can withdraw the fund in full or in installment.

Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

This is the reason I felt we can discuss the merits and demerits of casinos setting withdrawal limits. What is your opinion?

The merit for a casino in setting withdrawal limit is for self preservation. It is only advantageous to the casino and not on the players who won the amount. For the player who have to undergo pains of multiple withdrawal request and the wait for several days to months due to the withdrawal limit is is obviously a demerit to the casino.

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I think withdrawal limits are pretty normal.
That's why if a casino requires Know Your Customer verification from the start ib my opinion they are more honest.

Because imagine winning anything and then not being able to withdraw it because it ends up your country or ID is not eligible. This happens quite often actually...

I would say so long as you know what the casino requires it's a honest practice. But if rules change after sign up or if it is not obvious from the start then surely it's not something that I would consider a honest practice.

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When, I think about casinos setting withdrawal limits upon their gamblers, the first thing which comes to mind is that those casinos want to avoid running out of liquidity and keep the money of their gamblers into their platform as much as possible.
Though, after reading about this unfortunate case, I think setting withdrawal limits onto casinos could help, so reckless gamblers won't end up spending that money as quick as they would if got it all in a single hit. Though, I still believe setting withdrawal limits would only be beneficial to a relatively small percentage of gamblers who actually need them.

One would also need to take a look at the percentage of the money which those gamblers are allowed to withdraw and evaluate whether it is fair enough.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

Most casinos set withdrawal limits and this is usually perceived by some gamblers as bad practice. However, after seeing This post by lovesmayfamilis about a gamble winner who died of heart attack when he won jackpot of $4 million, I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

This is the reason I felt we can discuss the merits and demerits of casinos setting withdrawal limits. What is your opinion?

Odohu, I think you are missing the point in the story that you referenced. Withdrawal limits wouldn't have saved the man. He already had a bad heart and the news of him winning the jackpot of $4 million was what "killed" not that he could withdraw the money all at once. I think that withdrawal limits are very important both on the side of the gambler and that of the casino. With withdrawal limits in place impulsive spending is curbed. While for the casino, withdrawal limits ensures that the casino doesn't become bankrupt. They would run out of cash if everyone who one could withdrawal all their winnings at a go.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

Most casinos set withdrawal limits and this is usually perceived by some gamblers as bad practice. However, after seeing This post by lovesmayfamilis about a gamble winner who died of heart attack when he won jackpot of $4 million, I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

This is the reason I felt we can discuss the merits and demerits of casinos setting withdrawal limits. What is your opinion?

Having those limits in regarding on how much a gambler would really be withdrawing? that would really be a sure NO for most gamblers. Why? They would really be having those impressions that locking up some funds or part of those winnings will really be considered to be not a viable or sensible act to be done by a legit site. Yes, they could really be having that such concern but it would be great if they would really be making it as an optional thing and not something that would really be that enforced out absolutely. I do prefer on having that bulk winning withdrawal rather than on having those gradual basis. or in parts on which
this would really be rather giving out that kind of impression and thinking that the site you are dealing with might not be able to pay up those winning upfront on the moment that you do request it.
Pretty sure that majority of us would really be having that the same liking and preference when it comes to withdrawal aspect.

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Most winners with that amount will agree to follow all of the KYC policies just to get the money. But the problem is what if they can't provide all of it?

Then, they have to go with the gradual withdrawal of it through the limit that has been set to them and they will understand why they need to do that.

It's because they're also being tracked with the regards of how much money gets in and out through the casino. They're so strict that even they can let go with that for an instant, they won't do that for the safety not just of their user but their entire business to comply with the regulations of the government.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

Most casinos set withdrawal limits and this is usually perceived by some gamblers as bad practice. However, after seeing This post by lovesmayfamilis about a gamble winner who died of heart attack when he won jackpot of $4 million, I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

This is the reason I felt we can discuss the merits and demerits of casinos setting withdrawal limits. What is your opinion?

the thing is that in gambling if you have the opportunity to win a bigger amount of money and it is a money that you have never seen before you might have a shock based on it is your first time experience of winning such amount of value of money even this occur when someone loses money through gambling so I believe that the things that happen in such way is for people who have not understand the opportunity and the also they advantages of gambling fully because when you understand that the gambling can make you to be poor and the gambling and also make you to be rich at the same time I don't think that you will feel such heart trauma when you come across or when you experience such

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It's the opposite for me lol.

If withdrawal would take months to be completed, I'd be too anxious waiting for it. For instance, there's always a chance they'd stop paying at some point, perhaps makes excuses like KYC trap. All crypto casinos I play on has curacao license and similar as well. While it does provide an easy entry for users, there is no powerful regulatory body that oversees the scene.

As for controlling the cash flow, I'd rather time locked my btc myself and/or do a time locked deposit in an insured bank.

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death.

Maybe you did not understand that story very well, but the excitement from winning is what usually kills, it was not the excitement of having received the money but just the announcements that he has won such an amount of money. So even if there was a withdrawal limit on his account, that would not have helped. Withdrawal limits for some casinos is to make sure that a gambler does not just clear out all the amount of money that they have in the platform sometimes it is to make sure that this gamblers come back to try to gamble more.

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I don't think I'm the only one who would say that what the OP is saying are two different or unrelated things, I know about the case of the gambler who ended up dying because he saw himself hit that huge jakcpot that made his heart attack recur and died, but for the withdrawal problem that is another thing. The cause of the death was due to the shock of a big win that he had never won before, he couldn't believe the result, and it made the dopamine levels in the brain system increase drastically when witnessing that he was really lucky at that time which indirectly made his heart disease recur.

I understand that most casinos have withdrawal limits, but that's another thing that's not related to death, logically no matter how much you win, can't you just gradually withdraw small amounts under the withdrawal limit? Sure. I would say that it makes more sense to say that "it's better for casinos to implement win limits" not "withdrawal limits" mate. Wink

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Quote from: Odohu on June 26, 2024, 08:23:26 AM

I am having the feeling that setting withdrawal limits and procedures for heavy winnings might have some life saving merits. Assuming the man was subjected to gradual withdrawal process, I believe he would have grown mentally to handle such amount of money because it was stated that the excitement from the winning was the cause of his death. There could also be other benefits such as helping the gambler not to spend the money lavishly if it comes in bulk.

This is the reason I felt we can discuss the merits and demerits of casinos setting withdrawal limits. What is your opinion?

From my observation, I saw the clib of the thread you are taking about in X platform and it was a physical casino and not in online casino and with that I think the withdrawal is going to be over the counter payment or direct payment into the player bank accounts to avoid been rob on the way if he decide to walk away with cash but if this happens to be an online casino, he wouldn't be allow to make that complete withdrawals and he maybe put under some scrutiny check before withdrawals will be allow because that's a big amount of money.

As for the reason why online casino set up withdrawal limit could be as a result of liquidity, it will kill the casino when all the customers decide to take out all their balance and the casino might become illiquid when they allow withdrawals at once.

Another reason could be because of security reason, setting a withdrawal limit can stop someone from withdrawing everything on your account under 24 hours so you can have enough time to contact the casino to freeze your account until you were able to recover the account.

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Withdrawal is not the problem here the main issues is the generalized winning and not withdrawal, okay fine, even though it was said that he would be able to withdraw 100,000 dollars per week and 400,000 dollar per month it didn't still change anything. The major cause of his heart attack was the news that suddenly breakout that he won that amount, you know even when driving it's not advisable to pick or make calls because you could hear some news that are very shocking immediately you collapse. So the death was a as cause of good news and not restricting him from withdrawal, anyway even as that it may likely help but still the news is very shocking mostly when you don't in any day expect such thing could happened and it came as surprised to you.

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