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Quote from: just_Alice on July 03, 2021, 05:38:56 PM

Absolutely! That's somewhat hypocritic and we see the double standards here. Banning the Binance because it's not part of the FCA under a pretext of not meeting requirements regarding money laundering, while it happens over and over in the country.

But the good thing here is that it's all fixable, unlike in countries with dictatorship, where ban means ban probably forever. All Binance needs to do is to improve this part and when all requirements are met the UK will have to revoke the ban.
And people still can trade in the UK on Binance, so it's not that big of a problem, at least for the crypto users.

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"From July 8, 2021, we will stop payments from Santander bank accounts to Binance as much as possible. This follows the recent warning issued by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) to consumers to help protect you from Fraud. At this time, we will not restrict withdrawals from Binance to your account. We take this step because we want to do everything we can to protect you and ensure the safety of your funds"

I agree with the author's point of view very much , speaking of the nature of the problem, and this British bank is a private financial services company. If Binance changes from illegal to legal operation, I think it will not abandon the UK market. Although I personally don’t like centralized exchanges, there are too many drawbacks of centralized exchanges, which makes people feel untrustworthy.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2021, 01:15:16 AM

This is just plain wrong. The governments are committing a big mistake by banning Binance. The users will continue to trade in cryptocurrency and if Binance is not available, then they will simply move to some other platform. And the disadvantage for the government here is that if they move to Dex and P2P platforms, then it will be extremely hard for the authorities to get the details of the users. At least in the case of Binance, KYC is mandatory, in case the user crosses a certain threshold in daily volumes.

Makes sense but I knew this was going to happen with Binance at some point. I am using Binance for years now and they never asked me for verification which although feels good but raises questions because anyone can launder money quite easily and a 2 BTC daily withdrawal limit is quite enough for almost anyone looking for money laundering.

Recently they asked for my verification and I had no problem completing the process, which was thankfully short and quick. I wonder if Binance was being used as a coin mixer thing where users can mix their coins by depositing money --> exchanging it to another coin or even without converting --> withdraw!

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There are a lot of reasons as to why the site can get banned, and for sure what you have said here can be part of the reasons why the UK decided to plan a ban on the Binance market. For me I am also thinking that one of the reasons why they got banned is because they don’t meet up with the requirements that the UK needs. Like someone has pointed out, some exchanges don’t have full KYC and some of them do, while some has none at all, they all have different ways that they operate. If the way Binance is operating in UK doesn’t the requirements, then for sure it will be the reason for them getting banned from the country. That’s it for me.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2021, 01:15:16 AM

This is just plain wrong. The governments are committing a big mistake by banning Binance. The users will continue to trade in cryptocurrency and if Binance is not available, then they will simply move to some other platform. And the disadvantage for the government here is that if they move to Dex and P2P platforms, then it will be extremely hard for the authorities to get the details of the users. At least in the case of Binance, KYC is mandatory, in case the user crosses a certain threshold in daily volumes.

They are not "banning" binance, they are not banning bitcoin or crypto neither, they are just banning certain ways that binance works and that's it, as long as binance changes them (which they are) then there is no problem and there will still be some Binance.co.uk type of website I am sure of it.

I am not saying that we should be looking to applaud these type of stuff coming from nations, it depends on how you approach it and how you see it, I like it but you may not however we should all realize that this is nothing bad for crypto or binance, it is just a bit extensive KYC that is required and that is about it, we already have so much security going on over money laundering fear, a few more steps to take will not be that much of a difficulty. I see a lot of people who are angry over this decision but not know the full scope of things, it is not a bad thing you do not have to be worried.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 05, 2021, 10:48:30 AM

OP is 100% right, this is not "ban" on binance at all, it is not even a punishment of sorts, it is literally just harder regulations in order to prevent bad people laundering money and that's it. Binance is already working on it and they are going to make a brand new version for UK, they are working with few countries I believe they have it in few places and that is just going to continue down the road with another one for UK as well, that is just the direction they are going, creating local exchanges so that people could withdraw fiat to their bank accounts from binance as well.

So, have one major binance, have a connection with the local binance, and then move money around between them for free and that's it, binance will be able to allow you to both use binance global and also binance local to withdraw fiat or deposit fiat using only binance. This is going to benefit binance more than anyone else.

Money will continue moving around Binance so for sure the benefits still on their favor, in regards

to this concern, following your statements it drives the whole thing to a much better restrictions,

to avoid being used as medium for those illegal activities they'll provide much better service that

designed for UK.

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shouldnt be cause binance is very clean in his work

The issue lies on Binance and that's why those countries has to ban them. They didn't continue their application and what's needed to be complied by them.

They have strong efforts against AML and that's the most probable action that they have to do to avoid further suspicion that the platform will be used in a dark matter.

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OP is 100% right, this is not "ban" on binance at all, it is not even a punishment of sorts, it is literally just harder regulations in order to prevent bad people laundering money and that's it. Binance is already working on it and they are going to make a brand new version for UK, they are working with few countries I believe they have it in few places and that is just going to continue down the road with another one for UK as well, that is just the direction they are going, creating local exchanges so that people could withdraw fiat to their bank accounts from binance as well.

So, have one major binance, have a connection with the local binance, and then move money around between them for free and that's it, binance will be able to allow you to both use binance global and also binance local to withdraw fiat or deposit fiat using only binance. This is going to benefit binance more than anyone else.

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This is just plain wrong. The governments are committing a big mistake by banning Binance. The users will continue to trade in cryptocurrency and if Binance is not available, then they will simply move to some other platform. And the disadvantage for the government here is that if they move to Dex and P2P platforms, then it will be extremely hard for the authorities to get the details of the users. At least in the case of Binance, KYC is mandatory, in case the user crosses a certain threshold in daily volumes.

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Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange by trading volumes, was set to launch its own digital asset marketplace in Britain. However, it was one of several crypto firms that withdrew applications to register with the FCA due to not meeting anti-money laundering requirements.

I think it's that just simple, they didn't meet the requirements. Maybe they are more strict in their rules than other countries in the world.
CZ should go deep into why they are not letting him make a base in UK.

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“We take a collaborative approach in working with regulators and we take our compliance obligations very seriously,” the spokesperson added. “We are actively keeping abreast of changing policies, rules and laws in this new space.”

Yes, that's the right answer. You cannot please them all and the main reason could be the security of their own country. They may not be open now for those kind of things but there will always be change as time flies by. I am still positive they will open their doors as the crypto industry grows.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/28/cryptocurrency-exchange-binance-banned-by-uk-regulator.html

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on July 03, 2021, 08:55:34 PM

I think that even though there are some difference in each country's policy, would there be some general that every country should follow in terms of protecting the international companies?

If Binance is a company that sells goods, of course they could operate globally more easily. However, they provide financial service or something involves financial products, hence must follow individual requirement of each country.

Quote from: Lorence.xD on July 03, 2021, 08:55:34 PM

Also, I think that Binance could pretty much prevent this kind of thing if they try and lobby with this government from each country, they make billions so it's not like they won't have any worries about this plus not all lobbying needs money to do so.

Impossible, they may have money to lobby small countries, but definitely not enough if it involves US, UK, etc.

I hope, governments only issue warning, not outright ban Binance services. The exchange part of Binance is okay IMO, but not the investment, leverage trading, binary trading, etc.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 02, 2021, 10:14:10 AM

I think it's really unfair that some illegal activities are ignored while others are heavily targeted. Binance has its own reasonable KYC policies, and if the sum of money is big, one will have to provide an ID. So if we're talking about big-scale money laundering, I don't think Binance is the first choice for criminals. Also, instead of outright banning Binance, the UK authorities could've imposed their own rules, such as obligatory KYC for everyone from the UK. But no, they just banned one of the most reputable exchanges in the world, and the one which actually tries to comply with regulations of various countries and to operate transparently. So it's a sign of hostility towards cryptos, I think. They're okay with fiat being used for illegal activities, but not okay with cryptos being used at all.

They banned it because it wasn't abiding by the laws. If binance gets its act together and abides by the financial regulatory laws that already exist, it would be granted a license to operate in the UK. However my understanding is that this is a company that keeps redomiciling specifically to avoid regulatory oversight, and so they don't appear to be trustworthy.

Also, no, "they" are not okay with fiat being used for illegal activities, which is why there's laws against that and prosecutions.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 01, 2021, 10:04:02 AM

It's difficult to operate globally, especially if it involves finance. Anyway, this news seems hot just because of the magnitude of the country, i.e., UK. FYI, the Binance domain has been blocked in my country long time ago.

Yes it is true of the binance domain every year it changes to avoid blocking. Immediately after at that time, there were still many people who kept VPN, and there were also those who downloaded the Binance application on the PlayStore. But the value when in a country he has several Crypto exchanges that feel removed when Binance's presence. With all business ways is business, and they will get rid of it.

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UK has been hot with crypto news for sometime. First they went after Cobra and bitcoin.org prompting removal of whitepaper and the bitcoin client from the website. Now it seems that users in UK cannot even access bitcoin.org

Then this ban on Binance. OP is right that UK is currently built on its financial infrastructure and being the gatekeeper to transactions and investments valued in trillions. All of this action against crypto, especially the easy walkover that the court seems to be giving the scammer CSW, suggests that there is definitely something more than meets the eye.

This is subtle beginnings to the attempts to make it sound like accessing bitcoin or crypto in general is somehow illegal. It is surprising that there has been such small pushback against the ruling in Cobra's case.

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Quote from: evilgreed on July 02, 2021, 01:34:00 PM

The binance ban is only a small part of the bigger picture and no matter how they sugarcoat everything, there is always a deeper meaning or a deeper reason for all of these efforts in pinning down this industry and every person within it. Achieving the desired results of such reasons they always mention including criminal activities are only cherries on top of the big cake that they are baking. The majority of people will always be greedy and selfish, even more when in power and of high position compared to others. While some may differ and stand firm on their morals, it is very rare. Oh well, at least these reasons they spout can somehow make things seem good at least since we can't do anything about their plans anyway.

Of course there is if you try to look for it, that's how religion is, finding meaning where there's none. Maybe Thailand really want Binance to pay for their infractions in their soil that's why they do this ban or maybe I am wrong and you are right that there's a deeper reason but who knows, we will never know u til everything surfaces.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 02, 2021, 10:14:10 AM

So if we're talking about big-scale money laundering, I don't think Binance is the first choice for criminals.

Haven't you heard of money mules and smurfs? The money launderers will be able to use it's concept on money laundering through Binance, for those who don't know about the two, they are basically people hired by money launderers to deposit money to a bank in a given amount that doesn't need declaration or would raise suspicions. They can do it with Binance too.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 02, 2021, 10:14:10 AM

So if we're talking about big-scale money laundering, I don't think Binance is the first choice for criminals.

Not knowing how many and how big money laundering cases are in the UK, the few that are published doesn't mean there aren't any which may actually be difficult to uncover. Given the good liquidity of binance and the withdrawal requirement of 2 BTC per day for 1 account, it is impossible for criminals to ignore this opportunity.

Quote from: kryptqnick on July 02, 2021, 10:14:10 AM

Also, instead of outright banning Binance, the UK authorities could've imposed their own rules, such as obligatory KYC for everyone from the UK. But no, they just banned one of the most reputable exchanges in the world, and the one which actually tries to comply with regulations of various countries and to operate transparently..

Binance has always been a good mirror for platforms of its kind because it is the one that best meets global legal requirements in the view of many. You should also keep in mind that binance recently launched the NFT marketplace right in June, the AFC issued a ban in June (cmiiw). You can certainly see the connection. I got a lot of rumors that NFT products are good "tools" for laundering money.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 01, 2021, 10:04:02 AM

Each country has its own rules and regulations. Binance operation seems not suitable for some countries (of course about KYC and AML), thus those with special interest will ban them, while some just don't care. It's difficult to operate globally, especially if it involves finance. Anyway, this news seems hot just because of the magnitude of the country, i.e., UK. FYI, the Binance domain has been blocked in my country long time ago.

I think that even though there are some difference in each country's policy, would there be some general that every country should follow in terms of protecting the international companies? Also, I think that Binance could pretty much prevent this kind of thing if they try and lobby with this government from each country, they make billions so it's not like they won't have any worries about this plus not all lobbying needs money to do so.

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Look, I doubt there is actually anything particularly remarkable about the ban.

The fact of the matter is that Binance, with its current business model at the very least, were always going to be restricted from doing business in certain countries as a matter of time. No country would willingly allow some semi-regulated exchange to be operating in their jurisdiction, pay little to no taxes to their country, and whilst offering virtually annoymous accounts.

AML/KYC is definitely one consideration in that regard, but it's also probably to serve as a warning to others trying to enter the market just as Binance did.

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Absolutely! That's somewhat hypocritic and we see the double standards here. Banning the Binance because it's not part of the FCA under a pretext of not meeting requirements regarding money laundering, while it happens over and over in the country.

But the good thing here is that it's all fixable, unlike in countries with dictatorship, where ban means ban probably forever. All Binance needs to do is to improve this part and when all requirements are met the UK will have to revoke the ban.
And people still can trade in the UK on Binance, so it's not that big of a problem, at least for the crypto users.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 02, 2021, 06:43:19 PM

It's understandable since every country has its right to block services on their own respective jurisdictions unless and until these services comply to their laws. It's not really new, to be honest, though the issue tends to get big as the question of legality is already involved. Then again, there isn't a one-size-fits-all legal status for a company if it wants to service the whole world. Binance just doesn't really care on the local laws of some countries that ban them for as long as they still get a fair share of the world's market, they are still business as usual.

Whether Binance complies to the local laws, regulations, and rules mandated by UK is still up to anyone's guess as of now.

if Binance will see a good opportunity on this market, i guess, they will follow and submit to protocols of UK. just remember, they are at the top of their business for some reasons.
also take this for example, Binance listed SHIB because they see good opportunity to get their market share even if we all know that this meme token has no use case and it is not backed by strong development.
and also, remember the sushi case , they also listed it because of the traffic.
this is why i think once binance sees their opportunity in UK, they will pretty comply the protocols involved just to get in this market.

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