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Keyser Soze

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Quote from: Warren on February 17, 2014, 09:43:57 PM

Anyway, as I requested the withdrawal, (and gave the 5-day notice that my bank requests), they pretty much refused to allow me to withdraw my own money from my own account!

I was infuriated!

They were not only asking questions as to why I would need that sort of money, since it was a "larger than normal" withdrawal, (which I explained with the truth, that I was concerned about a bank run), but they also said:

"We no longer deal with larger cash transactions. Anything over a couple of thousand is very suspicious and we will need to report you to the financial authorities for even asking to do this withdrawal."

In the end I got my money out, (after numerous angry phone calls to two managers, and several days waiting beyond the normal 5 days), but not only did I have to pay a hefty fee of 2% but they made me feel like a criminal for even asking to withdraw my own money!

What bank was this and in what country?

salstimda

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Quote from: Pente on February 18, 2014, 01:05:46 PM

Bitcoin to me is the safest way to store money via several brainwallets. Governments, creditors, ex-wives, backstabbing family members cannot access the majority of my wealth anymore. For that matter, most won't even know about it.

I can travel from country to country with all my wealth stored in my head.

If I go to prison and lose everything, my wealth will be waiting for me when I get out. No need to trust family, banks, or friends.

I sleep well at night knowing my wealth is safely stored in my mind.

And yes, when I die, it will disappear forever...but you and every other Bitcoin owner will be a tiny bit richer.

Another great example of the logic of bitcoin-users.

1. "If I marry a woman, and she is keeping up the house and raising kids while I earn money, she deserves not a cent of what I earned when I leave her, so I Bitcoins are cool because I can hide my money from her, since actual law states that the money I earn belongs to both. And I don't like laws that cost me money."

2. "Goverments want taxes?? Screw them!! I hide all my money in bitcoin wallets, they don't see a cent from me! Yeah they can provide and upkeep the internet infrastructure (and all the other infractructure) without which Bitcoin wouldn't even work, but they won't see a cent from me for this service! I am entitled to every single cent I inherit!"

and so on. very classical.

Baitty

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My favorite type of money & idea its fanstastic and I hope to be able to use Bitcoin just like fiat and see fiat gone.

Pente

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Bitcoin to me is the safest way to store money via several brainwallets. Governments, creditors, ex-wives, backstabbing family members cannot access the majority of my wealth anymore. For that matter, most won't even know about it.

I can travel from country to country with all my wealth stored in my head.

If I go to prison and lose everything, my wealth will be waiting for me when I get out. No need to trust family, banks, or friends.

I sleep well at night knowing my wealth is safely stored in my mind.

And yes, when I die, it will disappear forever...but you and every other Bitcoin owner will be a tiny bit richer.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:58:43 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:55:42 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:45:10 PM

Historic facts don't need arguments. The history IS the argument against your fairy tales. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies (anarchy).

I have heard many different definitions of Anarchy, but not even wikipedia has heard of your definition. I guess you are just making stuff up as you go. Hey, I love Raiders too!

The definition is simple:

Etymology

The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία, anarchia, from ἀν an, "not, without" + ἀρχός arkhos, "ruler", meaning "absence of a ruler", "without rulers")

Therefore: Where you aren't ruled by rulers, you are self-sufficient.

I told you a few posts ago it means "without rulers". good that you finally realize this too.

That anarchy means 'without rulers' knows everybody here. What some of those nanobrains don't understand is the simple fact, that anarchy means autarky (self-sufficiency), because you aren't ruled, and where people aren't ruled, you can't find militarism and armies.
Should be very easy to understand.

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:55:42 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:45:10 PM

Historic facts don't need arguments. The history IS the argument against your fairy tales. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies (anarchy).

I have heard many different definitions of Anarchy, but not even wikipedia has heard of your definition. I guess you are just making stuff up as you go. Hey, I love Raiders too!

The definition is simple:

Etymology

The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία, anarchia, from ἀν an, "not, without" + ἀρχός arkhos, "ruler", meaning "absence of a ruler", "without rulers")

Therefore: Where you aren't ruled by rulers, you are self-sufficient.

I told you a few posts ago it means "without rulers". good that you finally realize this too.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:45:10 PM

Historic facts don't need arguments. The history IS the argument against your fairy tales. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies (anarchy).

I have heard many different definitions of Anarchy, but not even wikipedia has heard of your definition. I guess you are just making stuff up as you go. Hey, I love Raiders too!

The definition is simple:

Etymology

The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία, anarchia, from ἀν an, "not, without" + ἀρχός arkhos, "ruler", meaning "absence of a ruler", "without rulers")

Therefore: Where you aren't ruled by rulers, you are self-sufficient.

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:45:10 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:42:47 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements.

To 'discuss' with somebody who doesn't have any knowledge of historic facts is pointless. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies. If you don't know anything about the history of anarchy you simply should shutup.

Keep your petty insults to yourself, I am really not interested in them. Again, try to form a coherent argument on the topic, or just let it be. It's really your choice.

Historic facts don't need arguments. The history IS the argument against your fairy tales. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies (anarchy).

I have heard many different definitions of Anarchy, but not even wikipedia has heard of your definition. I guess you are just making stuff up as you go. Hey, I love Raiders too!

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:42:47 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements.

To 'discuss' with somebody who doesn't have any knowledge of historic facts is pointless. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies. If you don't know anything about the history of anarchy you simply should shutup.

Keep your petty insults to yourself, I am really not interested in them. Again, try to form a coherent argument on the topic, or just let it be. It's really your choice.

Historic facts don't need arguments. The history IS the argument against your fairy tales. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies (anarchy).

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements.

To 'discuss' with somebody who doesn't have any knowledge of historic facts is pointless. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies. If you don't know anything about the history of anarchy you simply should shutup.

Keep your petty insults to yourself, I am really not interested in them. Again, try to form a coherent argument on the topic, or just let it be. It's really your choice.

salstimda

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Quote from: DanielVG on February 18, 2014, 12:27:23 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 06:11:28 AM

Quote from: DanielVG on February 17, 2014, 06:26:50 PM

Digital anarchy!!!

you mean digital capitalism. property rights and anarchy are pretty much the opposite. if you don't understand anything, just ask.

Decentralisation = anarchy. It's a currency without central control. no governing = anarchy.

Digital capitalism also fits

anarchistic capitalism also fits.

and no need to get arrogant please...

anarchy has nothing to do with "no governing" or decentralisation. anarchy essentially means "without rulers".

yeah, alot of people are using the term "anarchocapitalism" although many people like me think this is just an oxymoron. but well, opinions differ. i won't tell you whatever i say is the absolute truth and everything else is wrong. i just disagree that this can be somehow accurately labeled as anarchy/anarchism. its exactly the opposite to me - hierarchy. its a hierarchy of wealth - already wealthy people can mine and buy the majority of coins, while the majority gets nothing or just a neglible amount.

on most topics, im all for decentralization. not so for currency. i believe strongly that the currency we use must be centrally controlled, to prohobit abuse. with a "decentralized" currency, the richest people simply control it totally. they are the "community" that approves of or rejects changes to the bitcoin client, and so on.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements.

To 'discuss' with somebody who doesn't have any knowledge of historic facts is pointless. The epoch of statelessnes (self-sufficiency/anarchy) was the epoch of humans without armies. If you don't know anything about the history of anarchy you simply should shutup.

DanielVG

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 06:11:28 AM

Quote from: DanielVG on February 17, 2014, 06:26:50 PM

Digital anarchy!!!

you mean digital capitalism. property rights and anarchy are pretty much the opposite. if you don't understand anything, just ask.

Decentralisation = anarchy. It's a currency without central control. no governing = anarchy.

Digital capitalism also fits

anarchistic capitalism also fits.

and no need to get arrogant please...

dharmapuriharithaa

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Good way to invest money especially when the bitcoin price is down.

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue.

keithers

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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf

Regardless of the price per btc over the long haul, I truly believe that bitcoin has already permanently changed the world of finance. We haven't even tipped the iceberg with the potential of the bitcoin protocol, and even if investors can no longer get rich off of holding bitcoins, the invention itself has unlocked the potential of a decentralized currency that the entire world can rely on..

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

o.O naive...

Zarathustra

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Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact.

No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 11:29:37 AM

i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards.

salstimda

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Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 10:43:13 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 10:09:55 AM

Bitcoin / cryptography is the tool to destroy the ponzi system of all ponzi systems: the society (= collectivism/patriarchy).
It will will bring back anarchy, which is humanism and the opposite of patriarchy.

this doesn't even remotely make any sense to me. cryptocurrencies are the logical next step for private investment banks to increase their profits and keep control over the monetary supply.

They can't. They'll be obsolete as middlemen. No one needs them in a p2p-environment.

Quote from: salstimda on February 18, 2014, 10:43:13 AM

nothing changes, besides the gap between rich and poor widenening even faster. but you hardly notice the difference anyway, because due to the policies enacted, the gap would als widen without cryptocurrencies that offer the speculators and rich people new ways to increase their income.

what has out society to do with collectivism? what is your concept of "anarchy" and how is bitcoin involved in that?

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

really, 294 activity here and not the slightest clue about the basic problems of bitcoins?

never ever heard of any exchange or anything?

Quote from: Zarathustra on February 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).

well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact. eating your own children is "natural". i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.

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