Topic: What can I do to remove the negative trust on my account ? (Read 395 times)

Mr / Mrs. HcP: this is for you. Only for you.

Here is my definition of shitpost : "A post that adds no value to the discussion. And would not make any difference if it didn't eve. Exist "

IF one liners are a shitpost, then the above comments by you classify under the same definition as "shitpost" too.... It makes no difference to anyone reading your comments, including me...

Who am I? I'm just a random guy who occasionally browses the "Reputation" board...

Why did I post here? You posted on a public forum asking, no one in particular, a general question regarding how you could remove the negative trust you received. I offered my thoughts on your situation. If you didn't want random people answering your questions... Maybe you should have specified as such in your OP... or perhaps chosen the "self-moderation" option.

As for your post history... A very large proportion of it is "one liner" posts in pointless "mega" threads like... "Is it to late to get into crypto?"... That's pretty much the accepted definition of "shit post". Granted, you have proven in this thread that when pushed you are quite capable of critical thinking and stringing more than two words together. Sadly, your post history does not really reflect that ability.


I know this part was most likely directed at actmyname, but just so you know... length of time someone has been a member has no direct effect on how people are added (or removed) from "Default Trust". It would be entirely possible for a "newbie" with 1 post to be added to "Default Trust". Is that likely? No, but it is possible.

Also, again... you're not "banned".


No, the "police" are saying feel free to stay here, but you're going to be wearing this sign. Does having the Red Trust stop you from posting here? No.


I have every right to call your posts "shitposts". I'm not breaking any forum rules and simply using accepted terminology to describe the general quality of the majority of your historical posts (in my opinion).

Anyway, if you'd prefer that I left you to argue these points with "actmyname", just say so and I'll remove myself from the discussion.

I send several personal messages to act my name before I decided to create a post. If bitcointalk account doesn't has a customer service, people like you are taking advantage of the power the platform gives you.

And what did you do to get that power? Just decided to join bitcointalk few months / year before everyone else? If you think about it, it's stupid that you are so IN The air about your power. of you can't understand the reason / or don't have time to respond to personal messages on bitcointalk, stop banning people.

As far as the "root cause" word is concerned, read the 3 options above. Of I gave you 3 options, you could have chosen option 1 or option 2. but you suggested there is no way to remove negative trust from my account (surprisingly there was no way under option 1 or option2).. that itself is a big surprise for a criminal


So basically, police is saying through option 3, change city / state and do crime there? When criminal is asking police to let him stay in the same cotg/ state but monitor him for 3 months and them release him or release him and put him in jail again after watching him for 3 months?? think about it and one more thing "Your posts are shit posts. You have no right or authority to call my posts / Commwnrs with whatever comes to your mind" If you have the power, use your ducking power. But don't use your mouth! Pls

Who ate you and why are you even here? And why you call my posting history as shit post?

Are you act my name's 2nd account but same person?

So you're now comparing yourself to a 5 week old baby?

Like it or not, but as an Adult, society will generally hold you to a higher standard than a 5 week old baby...


It isn't banned... as I pointed out previously, "account sales are discouraged". There is a not insignificant number of users who consider that buying/selling of accounts leads to scams and spams... and will tag accounts involved in such activity as they believe them to be "untrustworthy".


Again... it isn't outright banned, it is just discouraged. The reason it isn't banned is that, as you say, if there is money to be made, it will be traded... so people will just take the account sales to an external forum. So an outright ban would be useless anyway.


Generally, people don't create 200 more accounts... they generally don't have the time to do so. But if they want to, then there is little we can generally do to stop them initially... except report posts which gets the spam deleted and if it happens enough, getting those accounts and IPs banned. It isn't a perfect system, but if we didn't have it, I'm sure the spam problem would be worse than it currently is. At least this way, we discourage the lazier spammers from even starting... and can potentially make a tedious process more tedious for chronic abusers.


You realise you haven't actually been "banned" right? Negative Trust =/= Ban. You're still here... you can still post... how exactly did you get "banned"? Also, the seller HAS already been tagged... and was tagged for other things back in 2015!!?!


Already answered by actmyname... but yeah... the DT members here generally have life/job/family outside of BitcoinTalk... they can't possibly read EVERY thread posted... sometimes they don't spot things for a few days. Anyway, what does the fact that there was a large gap between original post and your post have to do with anything? The seller was already tagged by suchmoon.


So... just because the junior "criminal" is a junior... we should ignore untrustworthy behaviour and let them become a more senior "criminal"? "GIVE IT A THOUGHT"


WTF??!? You're effectively blaming the police for crime. That's totally backwards. The root cause of spam is individuals like yourself who don't seem to understand that it is wrong.


Nothing stops you from going onto an offline market. Although what will probably happen is that the (rather expensive) account that you go and buy, is likely to get tagged at some point if you continue to shitpost/spam... given your attitude and posting history, I would not be surprised by this outcome.

Your comments just proved to me that you don't even know why you have the power, and of course, don't know how to use it too.

Selling drugs is not a good comparison. Jamie dimom Saya they will fire people who buy bitcoin, and users say "what's the harm, even if I am ready to loose the money" and trashedhim.

Hopefully, you will be trashed sometime in your life on same bitcoin talk forum... I will pray for it day and night.

And thank you for helping me decide to create 200 more accounts because if I meet some moron like you again who puts negative trust on my account, then I don't have to worry about wasting my time with you again.

Selling/trafficking illicit drugs is possible. Anyone could do it. Doesn't mean it's socially accepted and doesn't mean that I will trust you if you deal with that kind of trade. Same thing with account sales.

My negative trust has nothing to do with spam. I just brought up your poor post quality.

You're not a victim. Someone who chooses to buy stolen products knowingly is also in trouble. Someone who chooses to deal in a shady area willingly should also be punished.

I tagged people as soon as I found the thread. I'm not a program: I can't look at every thread as they come out.

If you start posting with the same quality after buying a Hero/Legendary then you will certainly be barred from campaigns.

Butthurt users will create butthurt threads about me.

And why is it that people are having complains against your power @actmyname ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38080028

A 5 weeks old child slaps his father .... You want to put him in jail because violence is bad ? and show him T &C on the beginners page of Bitcointalk, and tell him that he is at fault of not reading ??


What have I dont for me to request every month either through personal messages or discussions like these ? You guys seem to be quite logical in every answer/ comments.. So, let me ask you few more logical questions for you to give it a thought before you hit reply again...


If Jamie Dimon says "I will fire people if they trade bitcoin". He sets the rule.. No one follows and rather question him "WHY"
If Warren Buffet challenges bitcoin, Genesis Mining puts a bill board in front of his house to challenge "WHY"
etc
etc


You are saying buying / selling is banned on bitcointalk, I am asking "WHY"

Question 1. Why is buying / selling not allowed ? If there is a product or service that has a monetary value, it will always be bought and sold- applicable to every single product or service that has an associated monetary value... So, please explain "WHY"

Question 2. You putting negative trust on accounts or banning accounts creates less spam or more spam ? If one account gets banned, poeple create 200 more accounts , in turn creates spam... Good for bitcointalk OR not good for bitcointalk?

Question 3. Why did you decide to ban me ? And not just the seller...WHY ?

Question 4. Seller posted comment 15/20 days ago before my comment? What were you doing till 15/20 days that seller never got a negative trust ? WHY did you decide to let the comments on the post grow before you decided to act? 

Question 5. What do you think can be a benefit to me if I am just a junior member and I ask you to remove the negative trust ? lets look into my advantages first and your issues later...
My advantages:
I might save few weeks (6) to create a new account and reach a junior member rank... But thats all !Wait, hold.. How does it benefits me? Signature campaigns money as a Jr. MEMBER ? Well, I am already carrying COTI signature's and anyways making money from singature campaigns... For me to grow up in rank, I need merits and I dont have merits and neither am I asking for merits.... So, what really you think are my advantages here? GIVE IT A THOUGHT

Your issues in not removing the negative trust:
You said I spam with my one liners is your issue... Well, I can create 200 more accounts and continue the same.. You not resolving a problem.. You becoming a root cause of the problem of 'spam'... Buying and selling activity was also an issue. So, lets talk about that... What stops you from me going offline market and getting invovled in buying and selling ? The current junior member account through which I am posting does not has an monetary value in the buy / sell market, so think again what are you doing? Are you preventing me to be involved in buy/sell OR you encouraging me to go buy an account from open market without a negative trust and leave this account as it is..



So, forget about my account.. If you want to remove the negative trust, remove it.. If you dont want to remove because you have the power and have been given some responsibility, and you wish to be NO # 1 while doing your responsibility of putting negative trust on people or banning accounts, do yourself a favor - ASK YOUR the above questions and try to think about it ! Thats all I will say..


Thank you all for your exciting and logical responses... Sometimes makes me feel, money can buy ranks/power,  but not help grow the brain cells... Brain cell growth when you know how to use the power/rank  you have !


Thank you once again... And I would be willing to happy to leave this account forever, if the negative trust is not removed in next few days/weeks... i am sorry but you didnt give me with any other option, But to really go in open market and buy a new account... And last time, I had just posted... But this time, I might actually do it.. So, thank you very much... One more thing - Any idea what is the market price for Hero/legendary account ? Thanks !

So... as someone who apparently loves to read and research and learn... you completely missed this entire board: Beginners & Help
that contains this sticky post: Newbies - Read before posting
which in the very first section contains this link: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (which is a sticky at the top of the Meta board)




That's just laziness, pure and simple.


This wouldn't change a thing... people just blindly click "I have read the terms and conditions" and move on... and I suspect you would have done EXACTLY the same thing if you'd been presented with a list of Terms, Conditions and Rules when you signed up.


And this is the end result. Much like someone who is "just not in a frame of mine to spend time to 'learn about gun safety'", you have shot yourself in the foot... you have no-one else to blame, but yourself.


Ignorance of "the law"™ is not a defense.


In summary:

I dont think you understand the reason why I started this communication publicly and am still continuing to do so... If you think I am doing this to get back my clean account, then please use your experience and ask yourself 'What good it would do to me' ? when I can fucking create 200 new accounts in the time I have spend sending you personal messages as well as comments here on this thread..... Once you have an answer to this question, let me know - 'It would be good talking to you then'.



As far as my one liner bullshit post are concerned, think about it... I know it and I accept that the previous posts have been one liners. but in the 3 options that I wrote above, none of them was about the PAST.. They all were about the FUTURE, hence the previous one liners are not important to me to base this conversation on.... That's not the purpose, and one liners are not the reason why I got negative trust.... hence, we should not base this conversation on my PAST ONE LINERS..... If my past one liners are such a big concern to you, then the reference image you uploaded while putting a negative trust is wrong, and needs to be corrected...


My 3 options are as below. And please let me know what is YOUR ADVISE.... Irrespective of your valuable selection (out of the 3 options below), I know that I should be making long valuable comments in future Hence, I am highlighting few parts in the options below and would seriously ask you to give it atleast 60 seconds to think 'what could be the reason why I am behind wasting my time on this account... If you get a good answer, hit reply to my comment and select any of the 3 option below. Thanks'

Option 1. I can continue to post some comments and revisit this post 3 months later, and show you the quality of my post and the contribution to bitcontalk.. If you like my work for next 3 months, then are you in a position to remove the negative trust ?

Option 2. Would you be willing to remove my negative trust right now and check back my account after 3 months and ban me if required or put back the negative trust for the same JAN18, 2018 reference ? Is that a feasible option ?

Option 3. None of the two options are possible, and you suggest me to create a new account and move on..

Not off to a great start.

If you have experience in crypto then you should be making instructive posts, not these one-liner bullshit replies that I've already outlined in this thread. Anyone can spout general knowledge about crypto, like what you see in Bitcoin Discussion and Economics. Why wouldn't you actually use that knowledge actively rather than spam post literally every minute?


You should be doing this anyway. Negative trust shouldn't prevent you from creating/entering constructive discussions.

If I dont improve the post quality, I would never be able to get to Member level anyways because of the Merit based structure on bitcointalk.. And my account already is of a junior member. So, technically - if you remove the negative trust, I still have to work hard and post good stuff and contribute to the forum in order to rank up..

I wish  you can trust that I would take the forum more seriously with respect to what I post... and help me remove the negative trust on the account.



And I am pretty sure you know that copying and pasting an article on steemit/ blogpost, can fetch you $200 / article or more ... It takes 15 minutes to copy  paste and have a good formatting, so you earn $200 in 15 minutes of time - approx... And the reviewer/ bounty manager hardly cares to read it....


I would be pretty stupid to spend some time on this thread if my intention was to buy / sell this cryptomoon123 account ...... I am sure you agree, it would be considered time waste since copying ./ pasting some stuff to write an entry on blogpost or doing couple of tweets would have been more economical , had that been the intention..


Just wanted to clarify and stress on the importance of having an account without any negative trust back...for myself !

Thank you for detailed message on this post... It definitely helps me ! But, i just wanted to let you know my side of the story....


I joined bitcointalk on Dec 3, 2017 after I learned about signature campaigns. I am into the bitcoin / blockchain space Dec 2015 and have paid a lot of attention to the activities in the space.. While I have updated myself enough on the functional aspects of the developments taking place in the bitcoin and blockchain space since 2015 almost on a daily basis, I never felt satisfied and wanted to do something...something that makes me more creative. something that makes me understand the power of blockchain and various use cases, etc... I started a whatsapp group with some 55 high profile people from the industry in late 2016 to discuss about bitcoin. To my surprise, various CEO's and Directors who were just my LinkedIn connections accepted to become my whatsapp connection. Thanks to the buzzword "bitcoin".... I formed a group and to keep the group going, i had to be most active in the group... I knew I was building connections by bring my LinkedIn contacts to my phone..... I was pretty happy about that ! The group has had it exciting days when someone would question or challenge my prediction on the future event (in tech space or the price), and I would spend 3 to 4 hours researching to reply back with enough evidences, and probably twice a week or more it would repeat..... The criticism / enthusiasm of the 55 people kept me spend time with bitcoin books / books on cryptography / smart contracts, etc. However, then we all learned about Telegram and shifted there ... Anonymity kicked in, and conversations on whatsapp started to become dull.... I started to become less creative.... And I was not liking it..

I joined few ICO's and without even submitting for their bounty program specifically, they awarded me some tokens for being the most active member of their Telegram group.... I have no idea what made them do so, but I was happy to see that in my Everex wallet, I was given some extra tokens and one of their team members informed me later why they decided to give me some tokens... Ofcourse for my Telegram community participation, unknowingly... This money came to me around Nov of 2017. And that opened a new interest to me - to study about why they gave me free tokens ! ? This was surprising and exciting both at the same time.. And was good enough to let me find a new area to help give a boost to my creative mind or let me say 'curious mind' ..... I studied about bounty programs online and acted quickly to register at bitcointalk (this was on Dec 3, 2017).... I had no idea how to post a reply or how to use the forum well... But I still decided to do it see a simple quick youtube / google to find quick answers to my questions regarding how to use bitcointalk... I was excited, but let me be honest - not for bitcointalk forum interaction... I was excited for two things in order of importance below

Point # 1. What excited me about bitcointalk ?Signature campaigns. Bitcointalk signature campaign gave me an opportunity to study / read various projects to decide which one's would I want to support for weeks, carrying the same signature.... This was the most exciting part of the journey.. More important than reading threads on bitcointalk to update myself, I preferred reading whitepapers of projects from different sectors to see how the  acceptance of tech from across the globe and their creative minds put at work to create usecases out to nothing - sometimes resulting in brilliant usecases... Else, who would have thought about "Peer to Peer manufacturing" or "Decentralized power distribution" or "sharing un-used mobile data on blockchain" etc etc...... Bitcointalk to me in Dec, 2018 was less important than whitepaper, and I have no shame in admitting that...


Point #2. Money with the signature campaigns for the token I wanted to support... I was bored of trading and wanted to be more creative than just looking at the price and technical analysis on a daily basis... Ofcourse, I wanted to be creative by reading and that was more important (as stated in point number 1 above), however I also knew that time spend reading whitepapers / various projects means I was loosing money by not looking at the charts... And signature campaigns gave me an opportunity to keep reading whitepapers, because my signatures on bitcointalk will take care of my looses by deciding not to invest enough time looking at the charts...


I was new to the forum and there were no rules or guidelines that I could find anywhere on the forum to learn about the rules here... or may be rules were written somewhere but not at a good enough place to catch my attention about what is right or wrong  on this forum ! I was here to get my signatures and earn some free money, so that I can continue reading my whitepapers and give a boost to my brain cells and appreciate that I learned something each day ! so signature campaigns for me was important but not as important as point # 1, and bitcointalk forum was hard to use for a newbie like me very less friendly UI / UX to attract me to correct posts to boost my creativity and catch my attention, as  a newbie....


I kept growing my posts with one liners as a newbie not knowing what is the correct way to do it.... I posted in irrelevant forums / offtopics, since I saw the world doing it and i didn't know that there are rules on bitcointalk / there are moderatos on bitcointalk / users can be given negative trust / the accounts could be banned, etc. and i saw the world posting in offtopics very similar to what I was doing... so, it never appeared that I am doing anything against the rules.... .. As an example, when you are in India and driving a car, you honk and it is pretty normal.. Honking is a life ! And then you suddenly come to United states, and you dont see anyone honking while driving. Till someone do not gives you a bad look at the face when you honk, you think honking is normal in United States too..

Till you are not told that something is wrong, you assume it is right
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I was not told or aware that buying / selling on bitcointalk is not right.... On your TRUST REFERENCE PICTURE, you will see that a Sr. Member was selling the account. He had posted on Jan 3, 2018... I replied on Jan 18th - saying "interested if escrow used" for which I got banned... As a newbie, I was not aware that buying / selling is not right
. I was not aware about negative trust feature.. I was not aware about moderators checking the posts on bitcointalk... And how was I supposed to learn about it? This was not written on first page in a pop up when I joined bitcointalk ! Moderator has not banned the Sr. Member who was selling the account and posted on Jan 3 about his intent to sell... Was it my problem that I showed an interest to buy ? Today when I know the rules of the forum, I accept that it was a mistake... But as I said earlier, I wanted to learn about the forum.. but not at the cost of spending time to learn about it... I wanted an easy to read / quick pop up to anyone who joins the forum at STEP 1... I was just not in a frame of mind to  spend time to " learn about how to use bitcointalk"...  




I accept that I may have committed a mistake back in Jan 2018... And I am writing this post to let you know that the mistake was done unknowingly... And I would be happy to collect your opinion to learn what best can be done to remove the negative trust ?


Option 1. I can continue to post some comments and revisit this post 3 months later, and show you the quality of my post and the contribution to bitcontalk.. If you like my work for next 3 months, then are you in a position to remove the negative trust ?

Option 2. Would you be willing to remove my negative trust right now and check back my account after 3 months and ban me if required or put back the negative trust for the same JAN18, 2018 reference ? Is that a feasible option ?

Option 3. None of the two options are possible, and you suggest me to create a new account and move on..





I dont know which of the above 3 options would you choose, but if you could choose one, i would really appreciate... Thank you in advance for spending time for reading my post.  



[/i] Till you are not told that something is wrong, you assume it is right

Seriously mate... ridiculous "service" is ridiculous... It's fairly obvious if you look at the "reference" for the trust rating left by actmyname.

cryptomoon123 was attempting to buy an account. He got tagged as "untrustworthy" for it. There is no wrongful tag here. actmyname believes cryptomoon123 to be untrustworthy... so he tagged him with negative trust... that's how the trust system works.



Just for the record... account buying/selling is NOT prohibited! refer here:

Account buying/selling is just frowned upon by a number of DT users as it leads to scams/spam etc. as generally sold accounts are used to either "buy positive trust" to run a scam... or to buy a more senior account to try and get into higher level campaigns which generally just increases spam levels Therefore, the DT members do NOT trust users who participate in buying/selling of accounts and will tag them as "untrustworthy".

You could try my service, I'm willing to lower the fee. if you believe that you got tagged wrongfully I'm willing to spend my time and review your case. I'm not going to spend time and have people calling me defender of shitposters for free.

Ugh.  This is just another whiny, shitposting account buyer who probably has a stable of accounts and just wants this one with clean trust--and isn't deserving of that.  Actmyname's feedback is just.

All I see here is a bunch of delusion about post quality and excuses.  This is typical of bounty shitposters, who think their 6-second posts are excellent contributions to bitcointalk.  The only reason their posts are so short and poorly thought out is because they have so many accounts and not enough time in the day to make good posts from all of them.  The more of these jokers who get tagged, the better.

You're not in any position to start attacking others' post quality. A wise man once wrote in a play, "brevity is the soul of wit," and hence it is not the quantity but rather the quality of a reply that matters.

Unfortunately, for your many Altcoin Discussion posts, they lack both depth and volume.

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Also, are you really comparing your opening post to a reply? It even has a padded and redundant line at the end.

Life is larger than having neutral/positive trust on Bitcointalk. If you were here to properly discuss, as it should be, then you would not make such garbage replies within literal minutes of one another. I'm not going to delve into the account-trading business because I will firmly keep all feedback based on the topic as-is. I will, however, critique your posts.

Acting with such indignancy is not the way to go when your posts look so forlorn.

Let's take a look at some recent posts. You posted 12 different replies in ~11 minutes.


Come on, mate. If you're telling me that you put in effort for these posts then you would really be taking the piss.

Especially this one: "It is never too late.... We are still in very early stages..."

I timed myself and checked how long it took me to type. Six seconds. Is that really a high-quality post?

In most cases, those who got negative trust are those who have done illegal doings here in the forum. First of all no one from the DT members will give negative trust to you if you didn't do wrong. In your case its account buying which is strictly prohibited. What can you do to remove the negative trust? NOTHING.. just make another account or continue using your account. Maybe PM @actmyname and do some magic tricks..

In your case, I should say it will not be removed. Like I said earlier, your case is one that is strictly prohibited so it will not be removed

If you take this POST as an example, I have 4 lines on my earlier comment, and you have 2 lines... So you want to take back the word "stupid" ?

Second - the comment you made added no value to the question raised (How to get the negative trust removed), so are you stupid or dishonest ? The person who commented above you gave some information... He moved my thread to appropriate thread, asked me to pm the user and gave me information that only he can remove my negative trust...

Life is larger than having few merits and ranking on bitcointalk, so I would appreciate that you stop judging people by their post | merits | activity |last few posts | trust, and start calling them "stupid" "mad" "dishonest"...

Thank you! My request was sincere and honest and I appreciate real inputs and help ...