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Quote from: creeps on January 04, 2019, 06:42:17 PM

We should expect less, and be more realistic. We know the price should be start to go up now but still there’s a chance for the price to look for more deeper price, so learn how to set target price.

Expecting big or small will not be a criteria here and also you cannot be realistic in a new world where everything is fluctuating drastically and you need to react in a blink of eye before it will be late if you go for catching each and every swing of the markets. But, looking for where will be the market is going to surprise and accepting that by simply watching will be the things we can do right now other than going for buying at dips.

Quote from: creeps on January 04, 2019, 06:42:17 PM

Previously, the price moves through the whales and I hope this year there’s a real demand for bitcoin and not just a hype news that wants to move the market up or down.

The price is always moving based on supply and demand and you cannot eliminate the manipulation by whales, they are just part of this environment and we must need to feel the pain of their presence all the times. Overall I mean to say, nothing is going to change suddenly but gradually we are going to have a recovery phase in 2019.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on January 04, 2019, 02:34:54 PM

You can expect the price to go up. And also down. As to what influences thew prices: the demand of people buying coins -- or not. Anyone who tells you bitcoin will be x or y value is just speculating based on hope or fud.

We should expect less, and be more realistic. We know the price should be start to go up now but still there’s a chance for the price to look for more deeper price, so learn how to set target price. Previously, the price moves through the whales and I hope this year there’s a real demand for bitcoin and not just a hype news that wants to move the market up or down.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

All the BTC investors just had a difficult year in 2018.

A lot of people had chosen to give up, while more people continued believing in BTC.

It's their voluntary decision, we can't really do anything if they don't possess the courage to hodl, this is a long term investment as well as every time anyone entered, they may have seen an '*' with a 'High-risk investment' mark attached to it, so nothing was kept hidden.

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As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

I believe none that you mentioned, but the hype that's going on over Bakkt and the ETFs. If any of them come into existence for real, people will surely fall for the pump that will be seen in the hope of earning a lot through it (and others by doing longs over leverage-based exchanges). Remember, hope is the only thing that fills up speculation to a level where everyone thinks from their heart, and not mind. But I see that BTC will come back and play steady between either 3k-4k or 5.5k-6k range.

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Ideas are welcomed and experts are embraced.

It's stupid enough to think that there's anybody and expert in this uncertain field of crypto, as most of the predictions by even experts went wrong and 2018 was a lesson that was taught to them showing their present capabilities. Even if someone predicted almost every single BTC run, at least 3 of them have had proven to go against them, this is where they lost their hold on crypto as we're giving everything in the hands of regulations, ourselves. Wink

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Quote from: StarofBTC on January 04, 2019, 02:24:04 PM

Honestly I think stable prices do make it a bit boring right now.

It's boring because people don't know how to utilize a market that doesn't move up much or down. In the end it's still relative, because even when the crypto market is boringly stable for people here, legacy traders would feast on it and still do.

People here look at the Gold market and consider it uber boring and don't see any way to make profits, but they blatantly discard that the Gold market, just like other legacy markets, thrives on leverage. Think Bitmex is crazy with 100x leverage? Legacy markets are even more of a gambling tool with 300-400x leverage. One tiny miscalculation and you are broke.

Quote from: StarofBTC on January 04, 2019, 02:24:04 PM

Mark my words, if price moves about 50% quickly (today, tomorrow, next month doesn't matter when) people will start talking about 30-50 thousand dollars right away.

I like these sudden shifts. It's hilarious, especially if so called crypto influencers on youtube add fuel to the fire. When Ethereum was tanking a few weeks ago everyone was shitting on it and now it's amazing and will take over the world, and that just because the price went up. Cheesy

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To my opinion 2019 will not be some miracle year. I expect for price to recover but that might take longer that some expect. For a while the price will not change much and to achieve values of 6k or 7k again might be the process that could take even six months or so.
Currently there is not much demand on the market and that is the reason why market is standing still and the price is not rising. Anyway, I think that expectations for this year shouldn't be too big otherwise we all might get disappointed.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

All the BTC investors just had a difficult year in 2018.

A lot of people had chosen to give up, while more people continued believing in BTC.

As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

2018 might be a difficult year to some but take note that others got some advantages on that.

-Others able to take advantage of the price swings resulting on a profit out of a bearish market.
-Others low price target have been reached resulting on another accumulation of btc.
-Others understand how volatile crypto is. Because of it, they are now enlightened that crypto is not an overnight quick rich scheme.
-Those people who just enter crypto because of hype are now gone. Good thing it was filtered.

The bullish will start once a certain "trend" changes the phase of what's the status. It might be an event or such price rise movement that will trigger the fuel for more increase. Who knows?

No one knows what will happened to the future. Just continue the usual accumulation of bitcoin on our stash.

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You can expect the price to go up. And also down. As to what influences thew prices: the demand of people buying coins -- or not. Anyone who tells you bitcoin will be x or y value is just speculating based on hope or fud.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

All the BTC investors just had a difficult year in 2018.

it was a year of losses

Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

A lot of people had chosen to give up, while more people continued believing in BTC.

the price fell from $ 20,000 to $ 4,000, it was expected that some people would give up

Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

Ideas are welcomed and experts are embraced.

experts

these experts are always wrong in their forecasts, the price will increase when there is a lot of demand, so far I am not seeing what can cause a lot of demand and cause the price to increase a lot

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Honestly I think stable prices do make it a bit boring right now. We have been waiting for the increase for so long that even when price goes up a bit people get excited about it. If we see $5k this month I am sure there will be topics here that say price is going to $100k and so forth.

Mark my words, if price moves about 50% quickly (today, tomorrow, next month doesn't matter when) people will start talking about 30-50 thousand dollars right away. The only reason for that is people have waited a long time for a next bull, it has been all downhill since the $20k mark, we didn't jumped up a bit while going down, it was pure down. Hence, I think the thing that influences the prices most will be the hype behind the bull, as soon as we start to go up people will get too excited and that will make the price go even higher and turn it into a cycle.

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Quote from: RamonBTC on January 04, 2019, 02:15:17 AM

We’ve seen bitcoin on its worst price and when it is on its peak. The factor is a combination of many things or most likely with a big good news and hyped from within the community that attracts the new investors to be part of.

For those who believe and patiently waiting are most likely have more to gain.

Remember those years that bitcoin value is nothing and compare it now. Only the paranoid one or those promoting other crypto coin will make some issues to create panic.

Bitcoin prime isn’t done yet. More to come in many more years.

And adding up to that where people didn't even realize or trying to look back where bitcoin is firstly traded with $0.003 price as far as I remember and

even just comparing upto this recent days on how much it is, they are still complaining or worrying too much.We have seen the ups and downs but

people do easily panic when seeing price slumps.

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We’ve seen bitcoin on its worst price and when it is on its peak. The factor is a combination of many things or most likely with a big good news and hyped from within the community that attracts the new investors to be part of.

For those who believe and patiently waiting are most likely have more to gain.

Remember those years that bitcoin value is nothing and compare it now. Only the paranoid one or those promoting other crypto coin will make some issues to create panic.

Bitcoin prime isn’t done yet. More to come in many more years.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

Ideas are welcomed and experts are embraced.

More discussions and details could be checked by the following link as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/jex/comments/ac37qn/what_can_you_expect_from_bitcoin_in_2019/

It's a combination of lots of factors. So we can't really pinpoint what influence the price, although a significant portion is based on positive news because the market is based on speculation. So if let's say LN has been rolled out or maybe a Bakkit approval then definitely the price will go spike for the next coming months. Although I believed that investors are now smarter and have matured and no more irrational buyers (like 2017), it will be a long road for us to see and touch all-time-high again.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

All the BTC investors just had a difficult year in 2018.

A lot of people had chosen to give up, while more people continued believing in BTC.

As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

For the people who are holding since 2015 and from the bitcoin prices lesser than $300, last year was not a difficult one in some sense. I agree that could be more disappointments in 2018 as most of the speculations were referring something completely different. But, it is the a and we cannot expect always only one thing to happen.

Out of the factors given by you which will be influencing the bitcoin markets in coming months, I am believing in to "new investors". Yes, how much of bitcoin market is going to convince the new investors and institutional funds will be the key for what is going to happen in 2019. Institutional investors will get easily convinced when they are watching market is about to start.

But, the real kick starter will be new investors as they only will trigger the institutional investors. But convincing new investors to get into bitcoin adoption is a very big challenge. Agree or not, they are the real deciding factor on how this year will be.

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My opinion is that, assuming Bitcoin's fundamentals remain strong, the primary factor is time. It's a matter of time until the long term bull market resumes.

The 2015-2017 era was an "accumulation and markup" period. The 2018-??? era is a "distribution and markdown" period. It's not so much about fundamental factors because the bubble and correction periods are dictated by speculation, not fundamentals. It's about the time it takes for speculators to have sold and exited the market. Eventually in any bear market, sellers become exhausted; everyone who plans to sell has already done so. That's what we're looking for, and it's not a matter of price or fundamentals. It's a matter of time.

It's not as simple as you make it seem, fundamentals are very important. Dec 2017 and peak numbers of trxs was a huge test of bitcoin scaling and it failed miserably. Trxs took days unless you paid like $25+ per trx, and even they they took hours. This is the main reason the price blew up imo, because this clearly showed the bitcoin network is not ready for prime time.
Wtf try again unless things have fundamentally changed regarding scaling? I honestly can't imagine another runnup without better fundamentals.

Maybe it represented failure to you, but the market saw it differently. There was actually a strong correlation between transaction fees and price on the run to $20K. Your position is based on the idea that users are unwilling to pay high fees for onchain transactions. I think we've seen strong evidence to the contrary. People are willing to pay high fees.

You're also only thinking about Bitcoin's use as a medium of exchange. That can partially be solved by the Lightning Network, which at this rate will be fairly robust by the time the next bubble comes around. Bitcoin also garners demand from speculative and store-of-value investors who don't necessarily mind paying high fees to buy and hold.

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Quote from: exstasie on January 03, 2019, 06:36:15 PM

Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

Ideas are welcomed and experts are embraced.

Good luck finding any "experts" on this subject. Tongue

My opinion is that, assuming Bitcoin's fundamentals remain strong, the primary factor is time. It's a matter of time until the long term bull market resumes.

The 2015-2017 era was an "accumulation and markup" period. The 2018-??? era is a "distribution and markdown" period. It's not so much about fundamental factors because the bubble and correction periods are dictated by speculation, not fundamentals. It's about the time it takes for speculators to have sold and exited the market. Eventually in any bear market, sellers become exhausted; everyone who plans to sell has already done so. That's what we're looking for, and it's not a matter of price or fundamentals. It's a matter of time.

It's not as simple as you make it seem, fundamentals are very important. Dec 2017 and peak numbers of trxs was a huge test of bitcoin scaling and it failed miserably. Trxs took days unless you paid like $25+ per trx, and even they they took hours. This is the main reason the price blew up imo, because this clearly showed the bitcoin network is not ready for prime time.
Wtf try again unless things have fundamentally changed regarding scaling? I honestly can't imagine another runnup without better fundamentals.

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Quote from: I_wanna_to_communicate on January 03, 2019, 02:23:16 AM

As for the price,what matters will influence the price in 2019?

BTC Forks? Lightning network? Miners? Whales? Investors?

Ideas are welcomed and experts are embraced.

Good luck finding any "experts" on this subject. Tongue

My opinion is that, assuming Bitcoin's fundamentals remain strong, the primary factor is time. It's a matter of time until the long term bull market resumes.

The 2015-2017 era was an "accumulation and markup" period. The 2018-??? era is a "distribution and markdown" period. It's not so much about fundamental factors because the bubble and correction periods are dictated by speculation, not fundamentals. It's about the time it takes for speculators to have sold and exited the market. Eventually in any bear market, sellers become exhausted; everyone who plans to sell has already done so. That's what we're looking for, and it's not a matter of price or fundamentals. It's a matter of time.

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I'm in the middle of it, continue to hold if nothing happens then buy that's it. I'm pretty more visionary with 2020 rather than this year so whatever influences the prices for this year, manipulations, fuds, etc. it will happen and we can't do something about that but to cut loss/buy depending on your action.

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Quote from: coin8coin8 on January 03, 2019, 02:45:22 AM

To be honest, I don't have much confidence in the bitcoin price in 2019, because bitcoin has fallen by more than 80% in 2018, so if bitcoin rises in 2019, then if it can't reach more than $10,000, I don’t have any excitement, because if it’s not a very big increase, I’m still losing money.

I understand of what you feel but isn't the way you still thinking of negative. Not all the time we've been on the downfalls, may this year 2019 will showcase a lot of pumps and not possible that it would bounce back into $10k or more.
We aren't supposedly to think that it will instantly grow as it only depend on the market demand which help it out from falling. It actually Bitcoin now isn't dropping but it shows already some pumps and it would be some indications that 2019 is another great year for crypto.

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Quote from: coin8coin8 on January 03, 2019, 02:45:22 AM

To be honest, I don't have much confidence in the bitcoin price in 2019, because bitcoin has fallen by more than 80% in 2018, so if bitcoin rises in 2019, then if it can't reach more than $10,000, I don’t have any excitement, because if it’s not a very big increase, I’m still losing money.

You should not be so pessimistic. We are the powers that can influence the price and if we think bad, the price will not increase by itself. There may be any news that can fly the price every second and I think we are all here because we expect it.

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seeing the development of Bitcoin prices throughout 2018 many people gave up ... but there are also many people who still believe in cryptocurrency ... it takes a lot of patience to survive in crypto because of the fluctuating prices ... hopefully in 2019 bitcoin prices will improve

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