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Quote from: bitgov on September 26, 2022, 04:17:07 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 26, 2022, 07:13:28 AM

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Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

Big Money is behind the US push in Ukraine. And Big Money doesn't care about people... only more money.

A sudden reduction to $0.00 in the value of the US dollar would stop the war over night

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 26, 2022, 07:13:28 AM

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Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

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Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

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Quote from: electronicash on September 25, 2022, 11:50:12 PM

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Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago.. or had NATO not offered promise to Ukraine for membership. Had zelensky and Putin talked just before invasion. Things could have been different for all....There were times when war could have been stalled, but no one did.now here we are..

that was about to happen to resolve issues through diplomacy but PM Boris Johnson stopped the peacetalk.
its almost uncontrolled now because they are now threatening nuclear war. its not good for all of us. the recent update is that China is willing to facilitate peaceful negotiation. this must be something to consider with cooler heads. this has to stop because winter is coming.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pressing-priority-ukraine-is-facilitate-peace-talks-china-says-2022-09-24/

The negotiations will only be possible when the Russian army leaves Ukraine, one way or another.

There will be no negotiations with Ukraine unless the Russians go home or are eliminated.

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Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago.. or had NATO not offered promise to Ukraine for membership. Had zelensky and Putin talked just before invasion. Things could have been different for all....There were times when war could have been stalled, but no one did.now here we are..

that was about to happen to resolve issues through diplomacy but PM Boris Johnson stopped the peacetalk.
its almost uncontrolled now because they are now threatening nuclear war. its not good for all of us. the recent update is that China is willing to facilitate peaceful negotiation. this must be something to consider with cooler heads. this has to stop because winter is coming.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pressing-priority-ukraine-is-facilitate-peace-talks-china-says-2022-09-24/

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The money crisis did not give, it gave the demand of the people, it is now failing in all the countries due to the new needs. So there seems to be a shortage of money.

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Quote from: Cryptock on September 25, 2022, 05:42:29 PM

The damage has already been made - and the world has already been bleeding
The wars and chaos which Russia has created has shown the side effects and there is economic crisis in the whole world already

Many countries are in grip of economic crisis. We have an example of Sri Lanka.
Don't know when the world will be in peace environment, but now, Russia Ukraine, China Korea, India Pakistan and USA China conflicts are destroying the peace of world.
They should settle down and should solve the situation with peace talk.

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Quote from: ThemePen on September 24, 2022, 08:12:12 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on September 24, 2022, 07:47:54 PM

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.

So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.

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The Russian leader's initial aim was to overrun Ukraine and depose its government, ending for good its desire to join the Western defensive alliance Nato.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.

The damage has already been made - and the world has already been bleeding
The wars and chaos which Russia has created has shown the side effects and there is economic crisis in the whole world already

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on September 24, 2022, 07:47:54 PM

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.

So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.

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The Russian leader's initial aim was to overrun Ukraine and depose its government, ending for good its desire to join the Western defensive alliance Nato.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on September 24, 2022, 03:59:52 PM

I was just enjoying the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the United Nations General Assembly, confirming his country's insistence on ending what he calls the military mission in Ukraine, which he claims is aimed at protecting minorities.

At the same time, Putin issued a decree to partially prepare reservists (approximately 300,000 volunteer soldiers), after the Kremlin issued a decision to imprison for up to ten years for those who refuse to enlist or do not perform their duties while serving. Reports mention the arrest of more than 700 people who refused the recruitment process, in addition to many of them fleeing to neighboring countries.

What a speech, they really believe that they're the ones who's in the correct path. I'm seeing that it's unlikely that we'll see the end of this war.

And with that ruling about recruiting and encouraging their citizens to be reservists with that punishment of being put in prison for declining, that's certainly one thing that trying to say that their people have no option to choose.

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

What happened today proves that the objectives of the military operation against Ukraine were not to protect the Russian borders from NATO's military expansion. Today began the process of local referendum in four Ukrainian regions to vote on joining Russia. Non-governmental organizations assert that the referendum is sham and that these provinces were actually annexed to Russia by its military surrender to Russian forces.

With the increase in the number of Russian soldiers in the war after the call-up of the reserve forces today, other regions will be the target of Russian expansion.

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Quote from: btcbeograd on September 18, 2022, 01:34:24 PM

Definitely only some kind of a miracle Huh

Like Putin having a heart attack. Death is no joke but this bastard deserves it.

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

Really? Are you saying that NATO made Russian savages murder people and put them in mass graves?
There are no NATO forces in Ukraine. Did NATO destroy a single house in Russia?

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I was just enjoying the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the United Nations General Assembly, confirming his country's insistence on ending what he calls the military mission in Ukraine, which he claims is aimed at protecting minorities.

At the same time, Putin issued a decree to partially prepare reservists (approximately 300,000 volunteer soldiers), after the Kremlin issued a decision to imprison for up to ten years for those who refuse to enlist or do not perform their duties while serving. Reports mention the arrest of more than 700 people who refused the recruitment process, in addition to many of them fleeing to neighboring countries.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 24, 2022, 11:10:22 AM

Besides, Russia is only protecting Russians in Ukraine, who have been allowed to live there for ages in the past... because the countries are full of people and children who are mixed Russian and Ukrainian.

russia does not protect anyone in Ukraine, it kills civilians, destroys civilian infrastructure.
russia is a monster capable only of destruction, but not of creation.

and therefore, Carthage must be destroyed!

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Quote from: Queentoshi on September 17, 2022, 12:26:25 PM

Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.

one will think this would have stopped the war until you get to know the plan of the Government to mobilize the citizens with no prior military training into the army. He is doing it out of their will and 300k army is meant to mobilized in coming days, another source said 1.2 million. sadly this is not the first time Russia is doing it, the last time also failed. This is not a country that encourage immigrants, so the citizens are the victims. A war the trained soldier could not win, how will the untrained perform better? A lot of the citizens are looking for avenue to travel out, some looking for scholarship, some through cars, boat, to add salt to their injuries the flight fee has gone up. Everyone is the target even the well educated

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There are some selfish persons benefiting from this war,these persons need to back off first, NATO should leave Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine should have a dialogue to make peace. Russia thought it was some normal they can do to Ukraine not knowing that Ukraine will be supported by the US. This makes the war difficult for Russia.

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Quote from: Zlantann on September 24, 2022, 05:22:51 AM

Quote from: Queentoshi on September 17, 2022, 12:26:25 PM

Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

This war has caused colossal loss of lives and properties and it is affecting the entire world negatively. I am sure both Ukraine and Russia want peace. Even Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirmed that Vladimir Putin wants this war to end. The only thing that can end this war is diplomacy and compromise. But the peace terms would be the main impediment. Russia might want to hold some of the territories it has captured and Ukraine is seeking the total withdrawal of Russian troops from its soil before any peace deal can be discussed. But for peace to reign, each party must ensure that they make sacrifices. Ukraine should pledge not to join NATO and Russia should also agree never to invade Ukraine and take its territories.

Has the Ukraine joined NATO as of this writing? No! But that doesn't stop NATO soldiers from European NATO countries from fighting there for Ukraine ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60949633 ). And it doesn't stop the US from supporting Ukraine with money and armaments.

This means that if Russia agrees to not invade Ukraine, that it is a one-sided deal against Russia. Besides, Russia is only protecting Russians in Ukraine, who have been allowed to live there for ages in the past... because the countries are full of people and children who are mixed Russian and Ukrainian.

The thing that would stop the war is honesty between the countries. Move the US and NATO out. Let Russia trade freely. After all, the US is about freedom, isn't it? So why are they not giving Russia her freedom? Why have they been supporting Ukraine against its own people (Russian Ukrainians) since 2014... and really before this?

The US and the big banking system don't want peace in Ukraine. They want war, and they are proving it.

The good point is, this is the last chance the Big Bankers who control the US and the Ukraine war machine, have. Russia was becoming too strong for them, and that is why they want the war. Who will win? Personally, I am for free, honest trade... both inside nations, and between nations.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on September 17, 2022, 12:26:25 PM

Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

This war has caused colossal loss of lives and properties and it is affecting the entire world negatively. I am sure both Ukraine and Russia want peace. Even Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirmed that Vladimir Putin wants this war to end. The only thing that can end this war is diplomacy and compromise. But the peace terms would be the main impediment. Russia might want to hold some of the territories it has captured and Ukraine is seeking the total withdrawal of Russian troops from its soil before any peace deal can be discussed. But for peace to reign, each party must ensure that they make sacrifices. Ukraine should pledge not to join NATO and Russia should also agree never to invade Ukraine and take its territories.

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