Topic: what could be Vladimir Putin intension for the war? (Read 364 times)
Putin is an autocrat, Russia is like his personal property. Russian legislature and judiciary are his puppets. Only Putin and his cronies know why Russia invaded Ukraine. Political analysts have come up with different reasons but only Putin knows.
It takes years for a country to join NATO and there wasn't much incentive for NATO countries to accept Ukraine given they were obligated to intervene if Russia invaded. People seem to forget there was years of tension well before the invasion of Crimea in 2014. Setting that aside, Joe Biden is also President of the U.S. and he is incompetent and senile which gave Putin the greenlight to invade. Putin saw the withdrawal in Afghanistan, he knew the West would be silent if he attempted to capture Ukraine. And he was right.
Well, in this case, with the whole world situation, if Ukraine decides to make a formal request, do you think that in a short time they can say yes to NATO? We were talking about days, a week at most, because if it does, I think that Russia would attack Ukraine with everything and leave nothing in its wake, it would be a total devastation in hours because if that is the case, I think that Putin would send a large part of his army to fully invade Ukraine, but I believe that Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO under any circumstances.
We don't know the real intention of this Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine is just a pawn in this global geopolitical game of chess. Russia has challenged the existing world order. History is being made before our eyes. 
We don't know the real intention of this Russian invasion of Ukraine.
whether to master ukraine or is there something more important than that. like an enemy threat against Russia. or just want to overthrow the current president of ukraine. because it is considered dangerous for Russia in the future.
whether to master ukraine or is there something more important than that. like an enemy threat against Russia. or just want to overthrow the current president of ukraine. because it is considered dangerous for Russia in the future.
he thinks the russian speaking people in ukraine are being surpressed in their freedom and autonomy like the uhigurs in china, or the indians in america or the kosovo albanians in yugoslavia
lets pray for peace and stability and the ability of our childlike politicians to understand each other
lets pray for peace and stability and the ability of our childlike politicians to understand each other
Only it's a lie. He believes lies his propaganda telling to Russian people and Putin sympathizers around the world. Everyone who visited Ukraine knows those are lies. And everyone who lives in Ukraine knows that it's not a war between Russians and Ukrainians. It's a war war between Putinism and Civilized World.
he thinks the russian speaking people in ukraine are being surpressed in their freedom and autonomy like the uhigurs in china, or the indians in america or the kosovo albanians in yugoslavia
lets pray for peace and stability and the ability of our childlike politicians to understand each other
lets pray for peace and stability and the ability of our childlike politicians to understand each other
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Yes, other countries are fully ready to stop the war between Russian and Ukraine. Now that the world has discovered the reason why Putin is fighting Ukraine government which there will be quick intervention for other countries to join hands together to stop Russian government not to destroy Ukraine citizens and their economy
than to allow peace to rain among both countries. Russian cannot stop Ukraine government not to join NATO because the Ukraine government has the right to join any union that will be favourable to their citizens in the country.
tbh, it is hard to know the major things that cause the invasion because in a situation like this both parties always tell lies. Putin said Jesus Christ to judge his invasion of Ukraine and he also claim to do in the first place because Moscow was defending against the genocide of Russian-speaking people by Ukraine while the Ukraine government said it all lies but I have once seen a Russian member of this forum that once talked about the same genocide before Putin said it in the news so it is hard to know what cause it though Putin may seize the opportunity to achieve his political ambition.than to allow peace to rain among both countries. Russian cannot stop Ukraine government not to join NATO because the Ukraine government has the right to join any union that will be favourable to their citizens in the country.
Having said that, it is hard to speak for other countries joining hands together to stop the Russian government invasion when the Ukraine President seems to submit to Putin's condition.
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We actually don’t know, because there are so many lies in the news today and what we have know, Russia is killing innocent people as a collateral, most probably there’s a deeper reason why Russia attacked Ukraine and this wont stop as long as Russia is still not satisfied about what they want. They are ready for the war and do whatever it takes, I hope someone can stop Russia from doing this.
Yes, other countries are fully ready to stop the war between Russian and Ukraine. Now that the world has discovered the reason why Putin is fighting Ukraine government which there will be quick intervention for other countries to join hands together to stop Russian government not to destroy Ukraine citizens and their economy
than to allow peace to rain among both countries. Russian cannot stop Ukraine government not to join NATO because the Ukraine government has the right to join any union that will be favourable to their citizens in the country.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
Despite the fact that between Russia and Ukraine there is a fourth round of negotiations, they are absolutely not successful. At first, representatives of Russia only threw ultimatums, setting unrealistic conditions and in fact demanding that Ukraine unconditionally surrender to the invaders. As the Russian blitzkrieg failed and the losses in manpower and equipment left the Kremlin in shock, now the ultimatums have disappeared and at least some signs of possible agreements have begun to appear. Yesterday, the negotiations were put on a technical pause until today to clarify positions.source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
If not for Ukraine's desire to join NATO, Putin would still have found another reason to attack Ukraine. He needs Ukraine and its history of Kievan Rus for his empire.
After all, if Ukraine joined Nato it would be really dangerous for Russia. The US sending troops and establishing military bases in Nato countries is to preserve peace and territory. but for Russia, this is a serious threat to its security. We all know that the US, Russia and China are the three biggest powers. they will never get along and will seek to isolate and strangle each other if given the chance.
There are probably many reasons worth noting for Putin’s brutal invasion into Ukraine. First, it has strong strategic military importance for Russia.
Second, I suspect there are also significant natural resources in Ukraine that Russia sees as valuable enough to literally kill people over.
And lastly, it can’t be understated in my opinion that Putin sees the taking back of Ukraine under Russian control as a point of pride.
Putin has a huge ego and I think he fundamentally miscalculated that most of the world would unite in solidarity in defense of this unnecessary bloodshed.
Second, I suspect there are also significant natural resources in Ukraine that Russia sees as valuable enough to literally kill people over.
And lastly, it can’t be understated in my opinion that Putin sees the taking back of Ukraine under Russian control as a point of pride.
Putin has a huge ego and I think he fundamentally miscalculated that most of the world would unite in solidarity in defense of this unnecessary bloodshed.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
At least to me it seems that the issue with Ukraine joining NATO is nothing but an excuse, to me it seems that Putin wants to recreate the USSR and for that he needs to annex Ukraine regardless of the economic cost this could signify for his country, and if that is the case then the next question is what are the plans of Putin for the rest of those countries? Will he try to to do this again in another country? Because even if at this point NATO will not join the war at Ukraine, can they tolerate that something like this happens again?source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
I do agree it's just an excuse, maybe it's been brewing for years inside Putin that he wanted Ukraine back for Russian, but Ukraine is like moving on the opposite direction. So when the timing is right, Putin attack under the guise of Ukraine joining the NATO and the West. As you can see in his speech, it seem this fight is personal to him, maybe he wanted to bring the old glory back of the USSR to that effect, he is the remnants of it for all we know.
It takes years for a country to join NATO and there wasn't much incentive for NATO countries to accept Ukraine given they were obligated to intervene if Russia invaded. People seem to forget there was years of tension well before the invasion of Crimea in 2014. Setting that aside, Joe Biden is also President of the U.S. and he is incompetent and senile which gave Putin the greenlight to invade. Putin saw the withdrawal in Afghanistan, he knew the West would be silent if he attempted to capture Ukraine. And he was right.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
Despite the fact that between Russia and Ukraine there is a fourth round of negotiations, they are absolutely not successful. At first, representatives of Russia only threw ultimatums, setting unrealistic conditions and in fact demanding that Ukraine unconditionally surrender to the invaders. As the Russian blitzkrieg failed and the losses in manpower and equipment left the Kremlin in shock, now the ultimatums have disappeared and at least some signs of possible agreements have begun to appear. Yesterday, the negotiations were put on a technical pause until today to clarify positions.source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
If not for Ukraine's desire to join NATO, Putin would still have found another reason to attack Ukraine. He needs Ukraine and its history of Kievan Rus for his empire.
I would guess that the difference between "stating negotiations" and almost finishing are the same thing. NATO application to enter it is nothing, but getting accepted takes time and that is the real danger for Russia, well according to Putin, it is not a threat to Russia at all because nobody cares about them.
At the end of the day, Russia is so strong that they single handedly ruined any chance UN could do anything about the current situation. They kept saying that "what about the people you killed during the war we started!" basically, like Ukraine should have just not responded and defend themselves. Putin only wants power and respect, and this is how he is getting it according to him, and that's it. When he is satisfied, he will stop, not before that.
At the end of the day, Russia is so strong that they single handedly ruined any chance UN could do anything about the current situation. They kept saying that "what about the people you killed during the war we started!" basically, like Ukraine should have just not responded and defend themselves. Putin only wants power and respect, and this is how he is getting it according to him, and that's it. When he is satisfied, he will stop, not before that.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
Despite the fact that between Russia and Ukraine there is a fourth round of negotiations, they are absolutely not successful. At first, representatives of Russia only threw ultimatums, setting unrealistic conditions and in fact demanding that Ukraine unconditionally surrender to the invaders. As the Russian blitzkrieg failed and the losses in manpower and equipment left the Kremlin in shock, now the ultimatums have disappeared and at least some signs of possible agreements have begun to appear. Yesterday, the negotiations were put on a technical pause until today to clarify positions.source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
If not for Ukraine's desire to join NATO, Putin would still have found another reason to attack Ukraine. He needs Ukraine and its history of Kievan Rus for his empire.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
It began only in 2014 when a coup started and replaced its Russian friendly president with a hostile such as Zelensky that's why Putin oppose it. He did oppose some other countries joining NATO close to Russia but because the president is friendly to them, he considers it.
What other intention should they have but security? Just like China, they are also opposing Taiwan to be independent, what if it joins NATO?
Today China warns US to stop selling arms to Taiwan. They were also seeking security. And I have no doubt this will escalate and war in the SCS.
Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
At least to me it seems that the issue with Ukraine joining NATO is nothing but an excuse, to me it seems that Putin wants to recreate the USSR and for that he needs to annex Ukraine regardless of the economic cost this could signify for his country, and if that is the case then the next question is what are the plans of Putin for the rest of those countries? Will he try to to do this again in another country? Because even if at this point NATO will not join the war at Ukraine, can they tolerate that something like this happens again? source
Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war
Putin always hated Ukraine, back in 2008 he told that Ukraine isn't a real country, that it was created by the West artificially and that a large part of its territory belongs to Russia by right. And in his video published days before the war the talked about historical borders, Soviet Union and Russian empire, so you get the picture. Putin has unchecked power over Russia, and he doesn't care about human lives, neither Ukrainian or Russian, so his intention is to conquer Ukraine and enter Russian history as one of its greatest rulers.
Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.
Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.
Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.
Similarly to the post that I replied to, I mentioned that it is not Ukraine that Putin really wants- it is about making a statement against the whole world that Russia is not afraid of starting a war. In the event that he successfully captures Ukraine, this will not only threat other countries but this will be a global problem that any country may face since he will definitely go to war another time soon.
The war between Russia and Ukraine is just truly heartbreaking. Blood does not have to be spilled and countless of lives were traded due to selfish idealism caused by such leader.
and its true that we wont know on what country or place they would tend to invade next considering that Russia is a powerful country then expect that they could easily achieved their
goals if they wanted to.Its true that lots of innocent people or lives been wasted on a war thats why its not really something that should be happening but well reality
couldnt really be avoided if there are country leaders who do have this mindset and capability.
Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.
Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.
Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.
Similarly to the post that I replied to, I mentioned that it is not Ukraine that Putin really wants- it is about making a statement against the whole world that Russia is not afraid of starting a war. In the event that he successfully captures Ukraine, this will not only threat other countries but this will be a global problem that any country may face since he will definitely go to war another time soon.
The war between Russia and Ukraine is just truly heartbreaking. Blood does not have to be spilled and countless of lives were traded due to selfish idealism caused by such leader.
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