Topic: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? - page 33. (Read 54944 times)

Here's ONE OF MANY TIMES you discuss jet fuel.  Your concern.  Not mine.  And it's chemistry.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025761.160;imode

There is lots of fuel in a plane of that size. But there is, also lots of building concrete and metal to be heated up with that fuel. In addition, there is convection time (the time it takes heat to penetrate steel and concrete from the outside). In addition, one need consider the air passages to the fuel. The fuel can't burn without air.

When you look at the pictures of the people standing around the crash openings in the buildings (Twin Towers before they came down), it is highly unlikely that that there was enough heat to melt anything - that most of the fuel burned off inefficiently in the air - because the people would not have been able to stand around in the 2,000+ degrees F that it would take to crumble concrete and melt steel, especially when there isn't near enough time for convection to have occurred without roasting the people as well.

I think the terrorists did attack, but the US government saw the attack as an opportunity to invade Iraq and attack other Arab countries, with saddam hussein polity knocked down, the US began to intensify attacks on Arabs country and today the number of killed in Arab countries are scary

I don't really know of anyone who says that jet fuel melts steel. Perhaps some of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists in this forum have said it. I simply don't remember, and I am not going to go looking for them, and I don't even care.

The fact is, jet fuel of the past was similar to kerosene. I don't know what JF is made up of today. But if you put some kerosene in a steel can, it doesn't melt the steel can... at least not in quantities that are noticeable.

So, why do you even ask that? And your "Next" means what? Next question? You are asking the questions. Go ahead, ask another. I'll help. Is the sky blue? Or does it only look that way?

The only reason you said this is you don't know what chemistry is.

"Does jet fuel melt steel" is a question of chemistry.

Next?

You keep bringing up the idea of basic chemistry. Nobody is going to refute basic chemistry regarding the 9/11 inside job. Why not? Because basic chemistry doesn't apply in the 9/11 inside job. Why not? Because chemistry and else way beyond basic chemistry was used.

Wake up sometime.

Regardless of your repeating things like that over and over, in this and the prior thread neither you nor ANYONE ELSE has been able to refute the basic facts against simple math, chemistry and physics.   As such you might want to revise your statements and glib generalizations to make them less of blatant lies. 

Side note regarding the link to the "Follow the money" story.

EVIN RYAN: That’s true. The Carlyle Group had a meeting at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Washington on September 11th and present there were former President George H. W. Bush, James Baker and the brother of Osama Bin-Laden. I believe his name was Salem, I can’t recall his exact name.

Salem was killed in a plane crash in 1988.

Of course not. It simply shows that the ones who ARE less retarded have the more reasonable theories that are often very close to correct. It certainly doesn't mean that the official story is any less outlandish.

I'll be more specific.

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that people criticizing the "official story" are LESS retarded than those who produced it.


One other comment though, because this is laughable.  "Follow the money?"  There's really no "money trail" as far as a government response to a crisis.  Think about it.  A crisis occurs, government responds.  The meaning of that is they print money and hand it out in response to the crisis.  Whatever - war in Iraqi, Katrina, 911.  Printing money in response to a crisis is what they ALWAYS DO.  Therefore, following the money does not lead to culpable parties.  It leads to the same actors they always give money out to. 

If you are talking about the 9/11 commission, you're probably right.   

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to mean they are LESS retarded.



And please remember, I've really only addressed the mechanical and physical aspects of the 911 atrocities by the Muslim terrorists.

After one is through establishing that it's a mis representation to try to argue that jet fuel doesn't melt steel, that nanothermites were a necessary part of the scheme, that no jet hit the pentagon... after one is through debunking all these silly things, you can still develop alternate opinions about the original persons who conceived of the plan, and hired the 20 muslims to have their little Allah Ackbar moment.

All over the map because the official story is so outlandishly stupid that most people can see how retarded it is.

Simple, the Illuminati plotted the September 11 attack.

LOL, it's not I that's fixated by the Jews, it's other people that blame everything including an ice cream cone being dropped on the hot sidewalk on Jews.  I just got tired of the bullshit, and the way it's used to advance anti-American and anti-Israeli objectives for political purposes, regardless of whether there is any truth to the accusations.

As for your other comments, we can agree to disagree.  But you or someone's wanting to believe that there is a hidden conspiracy to 911 does not mean that scientific facts and inquiry is abandoned on every insanely crazy thing that's said.  Like the nano-thermite nonsense, the "no planes hit the towers," many other things.  From your approach it seems none of this should be questioned.  Not just your approach, a lot of the 911 truthers are this way - if you question anything they say, you must be a government agent.  But as I noted - few or none of their theories even agree with each other.  

Unfortunatly it also casts doubt on other subjects where your work is of higher intelectual and analytical quality.

And if you have a problem with someone saying they will play the role of refuting 911 alternative theories with 8th grade chemistry, math and physics then there is a problem with you.  If many of the assertions can be refuted at the 8th grade level, this does not say much of the intellectual and analytical capacities of those making the accusations.  So if so doing casts doubt on other subjects, so be it.  You could say, "well, that's only 8th grade level work."  Yes, by definition and agreement. 

You seem quite fixated on 'the Jews.'  I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering if a percieved threat to this group is responsible for your giant blind spot which blots out nearly everything associated with the 911 operation.  And spurs a multitude of your posts on this thread which can only be characterized as being humiliating to you.  Unfortunatly it also casts doubt on other subjects where your work is of higher intelectual and analytical quality.

There is no doubt that the Kennedy assassination is an interesting historical question.  There are a number of colorful and mysterious characters circling around Oswald.  There was the "magic bullet" theory, and the killing of Oswald.

Behind any theory of how the events unfolded with JFK, there are questions of motive that can be worked into a conspiracy plot.  911 is a much weaker subject for a strong conspiracy theory in comparison, which can be easily understood by looking at the conspiracy theories about 911.

Offhand I can't recall any "Evil Jews Did It" conspiracy theories about JFK, though. 

"Evil Jew Theories" today strictly as propaganda, put out by Muslims.

Fixed your quotes.  Was tempted to re-install the BD's deleted links, but the viewer can still jump to them easily if desired.  Anyway...

No real mystery here; 911 was a vastly more complex operation than was the Kennedy assasination, and one which almost certainly had a wider range of overall goals.  Even with Kennedy it seems that there are a variety of theories about what the primary driving force behind his assasination may have been.  It was before my time and I've not studied it a whole lot though.

Episode 308 - 9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money




Audio https://www.corbettreport.com/?powerpress_pinw=16167-podcast.


Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA.


Read more at https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-308-911-trillions-follow-the-money/.

That really does not matter.  At any time there are ten thousand contingency plans drawn up by the US government for various scenarios.  Other governments do the same thing.  That's not "reality."

One might as well take any of a  number of plot devices in fiction and say "See?  Here's how they could have done it."

But "could have done it" is not "done it" and is not "probably done it."  In fact, the "could have" is bullshit.  To develop a good conspiracy theory you need to show a "could have done it without getting found out."

And you can't do that because conspiracy theories like these require thousands of people to be in on the secrets and never talk. 

Who benefits from conspiracy theories about 911, however stupid they may be, is Muslims who want to present to other Muslims their precious victimhood status.  Face it, 911 is the product of radical Islamic extremists.   Just like the radical Islamic extremists who did 911 said.

Duh...

We are all puppets in life. We are controlled by who knows what. And it is our need for security that causes us to be the way we are.

If we weren't stuck in our comfort zone, we wouldn't need a president or a government. We would go out and do whatever we wanted. Presidents and actors are the same. The only slight differences is that they have stretched their comfort zone into areas that most of us haven't.

Be wise about the way you stretch you comfort zone out.