Topic: What do you think about this? (Read 477 times)

If you truely want this to be handled in moral or ethical way then you should first of all consider that the word gambling means taking big risk. You shouldn't be using site that encourage you to gamble or take big betting risk.
Assuming you mean Betting/Prediction site, my simple advice to you on how to safely use betting sites is to never assume you will win a bet if you are not qualified or well prepared to win... Just consider your bet luck-based. If you want to feel better, consider your lost bets as donations or gifts to the community/peers. You will likely be rewarded for that in one way or another (if you believe).

Bet but don't gamble.

and also even if you are not cheating yet if the casino is scammer you cannot hide everything.

there are so many cases in this forum specially those very controversial now like 1xbit in which most of the claims are the site banning or taking funds if you wins .

Gambling sites do not allow multiple accounts because they scam through multiple accounts manages money illegally. The website operates on the basis of a maltese gambling license issued by the malta gambling authority this means that all important security actions are regulated by an external body that licenses gambling activities around the world. issues there are many other international gambling organizations that have expressed positive views about the security and confidence of unibit it is easy to cheat with kyc.

They will never tell you how they found out that you were cheating. If they did, those cheaters would find a way (and make it easier) to "cover" themselves even better. If you read their terms and condition, you will know that they have the right to confiscate all your funds if you are found cheating. You have agreed to it. Now you can't argue with them anymore. You might even say that "no I wasn't cheating, that account doesn't belong to me" or whatever. Trust me, if it is a casino with a good reputation, they will never ban you without a solid proof!

Cheating is very common in gambling, many creating numbers of accounts for that sake(a small penny), and if they got caught, they will then claim that they are not doing this. They can be traced through their IP address that is why they easily found who were cheating and they don't have the right to argue as in the first place they know it already upon reading their rules. It was just most gamblers don't read it or they are just lazy to do it prior to cheating.

In opinion gambling sites will not allowed people to open several account because they will use their first account reference cade to make money and that is cheating the gambling sites. Most of the gambling sites will pay you if you use you refer new customers to their site and if you the one other alt account that will be cheating and is illegal.

Most likely the case thats why its really important that we should have at least the time on reading up ToS even though it is way too long to read up but atleast you do really save up yourself
on having some problems in the future which means it would really be that helpful but i cant really blame out people on why they dont like to read up that very long pile of text.Most of the
time people would have same impressions that its just a waste of time and as a gambler then you are really that eager or really that too impatient for you to play
which this is really the main reason on why we do really missed it out.

this is a matter of regulation itself and I think every gambling site has its own rules and that needs to be read so as not to experience misunderstandings. if indeed someone has something suspicious, of course the operator himself will know it, so be honest and obey the existing gambling rules. before that choose a gambling site that is really good or transparent so that if you make a mistake it will be discussed transparently, I think it will be more helpful so that we can know the existing rules and things to avoid.

Most of the gambling site does not allow the use of multi-account and that is why KYC is mandatory on some gambling sites, the fact is many site cheaters make use of VPN which make it hard for those none KYC gambling sites to track their activities In a different account. Some do this just to claim bonuses which is wrong.

Well sometimes having zero knowledge about the term of use will result in acting being innocent that assuming you are not violating the TOS.
When your account gets banned, you perhaps break the rule without knowing you, this is very common when a gambler did not read the TOS or they are lazy enough not to read it. How many times we saw allegations on the scam accusation board, but in the end, they are just missed the TOS because not reading this and they are violating it.

Where have you seen that please? What is your source? I don't understand how casinos could be able to check if someone has already cheated or not when a user withdraws his funds. I think scammy gambling platforms don't say anything when they spot a cheat until the user try to withdraw his funds, but they must detect it before.

I have never thought of this before until you posted about it now, all I was thinking before is that multiple gambling users accounts is to discourage money laundering but you are not wrong at all that many people will make use of welcome bonus opportunity to have more accounts so that they can have more means to earn the bonuses, humans are very greedy but I have never thought of this before to cheat, now I have only one account on each site when I know that is always included in their terms and conditions, even if not included, I still only got only one account which is more than enough for me.

I have four accounts in the first fiat based gambling site Ilthat I registered back in 2014, I later opened the fourth one which is my main account up till this day, I have no motive of money laundering or cheating bonuses, it is not what I have even done before while not really considering bonuses. I did not read the terms and conditions until like 2 years that I opened the account when I was not busy at all one day and having a boring time which makes it came to my mind to read, all other accounts are now in everlasting disuse whole only one main account I have now per each gambling site. Terms and conditions are too long for many people to read, but it is the most important thing for beginners to read for not to fall into centralized site traps.

Most casinos hide behind their Terms of Service. They know that players don't read them, but they really should. It's your responsibility to know what's written in the TOS, especially the parts about multi-accounting, VPN usage, restricted territories, and even the restrictions that certain game providers place for particular locations.   

If you win, that's when they will do a proper security audit of your account. While you are depositing money and losing, very few casinos will have a problem with that.

Usually, gambling websites prohibitively suspends an account which is suspected to have been taking advantage of giveaways and other freebies provided. They are, however, allowed to do this since most gambling websites post their TOS with regards to this kind of problem.

With online gambling becoming more and more popular due to an online setting, many people are taking advantage of such by sending huge amounts of cash for money laundering. While such criminal activity cannot be absolutely prevented, measures are being taken to at least mitigate the damage done.

Many gambling sites offer their users various bonuses at registration, so if one person creates several accounts at such a site, he abuses the advertising campaign carried out to attract new users. Obviously, this is a deception of a gambling site in order to increase the chances of winning without attracting new users. Therefore, I would advise against abusing promotions on gambling sites as there is a high probability of detecting abuse and banning your accounts.

The reason why gambling companies only make it in their terms and conditions for users to make use of only one account is because of money laundering policies, some users can try to make use of two or three or more accounts for money laundering purposes. But to be fear enough. I do not see anything wrong about this at all.

But I only noticed this much in fiat based gambling while if proven it is the same account, the accounts can be merged into one if nothing like criminal activities is involved in any of the accounts.

AFAIK Stake allows alt accounts.
https://forum.stake.com/topic/41629-are-multiaccounts-allowed/

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It depends on the casino. (1) Some allow multi-accounts since there's no incentive to abuse with multiple accounts, whereas (2) some have tailored promotions/rewards that can be abused with multiple accounts. So the ban on multi-accounts cheater for casino (2) is understandable. However, from the ethical POV, they are unethical if they ban the user at the withdrawal stage. They should not accept the deposit or ban the user and return the deposit money.

Why did not you post your concern in their thread? Sorry to say but I do not believe they ban your account without any reason. Prove your claim, don't try to make a framing that stake do something bad with your account without any proof.

Ever face that problem I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

That's what I was thinking too, that can be the only valid reason why they don't allow multiple accounts in their websites, just like this forum, they don't like the idea of multi account but it's not explicitly banned.

I don't think  cheating is the right word for that but it can be called as a violation if it's clear to their rules that they don't allow such thing and you still commit it but it would be nice if they will explain if what's the real cause for your account to get banned because the reason might be different from what your expecting .

it depends on the owner of the gambling site on what he think why he conduct such rule but there are sites that allows self referral

It would seem to me that there could be problems with registering more than one account due to the fact that suc
h website sites sometimes offer promotions and giveaways. Not only that but multiple accounts could look suspicious in the eyes of regulators. So the casinos might not want to put themselves into hot water...

Suppose those casinos can tell their members who have multi accounts by sending their email. In that case, I think that can attract both of them to have a conversation to discuss what the gamblers need to do so the casinos do not have to ban them and will delete the secondary account. Or maybe a gambler does not read their TOS that having multiple accounts is prohibited, and whoever breaks that will ban all of their accounts.

We know when a gambler wants to withdraw their money and the casino does not process their request instead of banning their account. That makes a gambler disappointed and some of them brought that case here and flagged the casino.

Sometimes a casino is also partly to blame. Most often casino sites can detect multi-accounts and other violations. But the problem is that they don't flag it. They don't even warn the gambler that creating a second account is a violation of their terms and conditions. They could also create a feature in which any user is automatically blocked when creating a second account. But majority of the casinos couldn't care less about these violations. They would only act on it when a jackpot or a big win happens. That's the time they would inform the player that he does not qualify for the prize because of the violations.

Totally agree but I don't want a gambling that's too lenient though, they're going to be easily exploited by people that are always looking for ways to exploit things in order for them to abuse the system and get huge benefits from it.

First of all, a gambling site that would immediately make you feel that you are a cheater doesn't deserve any more attention towards the members. Reputable gambling sites wouldn't be that strict, and they wouldn't assume that someone is cheating. I don't think everyone has experienced what you are talking about, but it can happen for sure. It makes it even more challenging to see it happening to multiple people, but I guess it's just how the world works. It's unpredictable.

The casino however wouldn't check users whether they cheat or not after registering. The casino will only check the user when they are about to withdraw the big amount of money from them which the casino plays their part to which they contributed as to why the cheating player continues to cheat.

For the caught cheater, I guess not being able to withdraw the big amount can just be considered a penalty for trying to cheat. Not the ending they expect.

Interesting article, thank you for posting it but I don't think the fourth means mentioned is really efficient and widely used by casinos. It's really hard to track and to detect specific behaviours from a random user IMO.

It's more about trying to see if you can cheat the casino, you are fully aware that you will eventually get caught cheating the casino, still, you proceed, this is a bad idea and unethical, we have seen in the scam section how multiple accounts can get you in trouble, when it comes to gambling learn from the experience of others and always check the rules and follow it, you are risking your money for not following the rule and trying to cheat.

these days, a site can track their users not only via IP address but other means just like what you said fingerprinting. this article - 5 Ways To Identify Your Users Without Using Cookies , will give you an idea how these sites can identify their users even without using cookies. players are not the only smart here, even site owners have their own ways how to detect possible abuse of their users. so don't get too confident that you can surpass the site's ToS.

No you are wrong Alucard1, they can also detect the user-agent of your browser, your fingerprint and the cookies they have sent. Spotting same IP adresses is not the only way they can use to seek multi accounts.   

Only newbies or those who are not aware of how online casinos works, the faucets, bonuses, and referral rewards are given to motivate their members to play more and refer their friends and not to abuse it, the worst thing is you reached substantial winnings but cheat the system, you are fooling yourself if you are going to cheat don't play, you'll face an issue later.

There's a rules to follow and if you violate it you'll face consequences later on so you have no win on this especially you do multi accounts and you are abusing the referral program of that specific gambling site. We can't win against the house literally, its hard to cheat with them and you must not try it.

If you think that gambling site is good enough, then focus on your one and only account to avoid any inconvenience, this could be more fun to stay on that site than to be blocked for that bad reason.

It's unethical you know the rules but you still break it because you are greedy to make money from referring yourself when a gambling casino offer a giveaway and they have a faucet for new members to try their games, they expect some members to abuse it they have a way to check members who abuse their giveaways, if you'rere playing for a longer time in gambling casinos you should know better, read their terms and follow the rules so you will have no issue when you withdraw your earnings.

If my position is in that person then I will stop my actions, it's useless anyway I can't withdraw the referral reward because fraud was found ,I always follow the rules so I don't experience this ,IMO actually it's up to them because I have no right to judge maybe it's do not have a morale because to get money anything he's can do it

If you do have solid evidence and have shown all the irregularities in the management of the casino, then it would be very good to make a thread on allegations of fraud. Because after all, you have seen a great deal of disapproval by the casino manager. So that this kind of thing can be a concern for the casino in question.

They can really detect if you are having a multiple account so this could be more of a problem if your both account got blocked because of violating their ToS. Being greedy like this is not good at all and even if there’s an affiliate program that could give you more, you should still not do it and better to invite friends if you really want to earn money through that affiliate. Also, KYC might be your problem if you created multiple accounts, this is risky to try and not advisable at all.

I assume that when we sign up we agree to few points where they have some set of rules and if they are not followed we get banned. Since the conditions, rules are pointed on two or more pages, we tend to skip those points and just sign up. So what I feel is, we might have crossed the rules and regulations as said in the forms and we are getting banned without any notice. This might be one of the reason they do not provide you the reason for either banning or trashing your accounts?

You already mentioned the problem, it is already written to the rules and regulations of the casino platform that there is no allowed of having multiple accounts on a single device but still you have done it, so expect that it is already a form of cheating because you have violated the rules of the casino which will make you ban. If you want to take advantage of those free money for every new user then you may do it in another account, they can only detect the IP address.

It depends what lengths the person is going to in order to commit these frauds against casino companies quite frankly. Just like a store in the real world is allowed to set reasonable rules (e.g. you must be wearing shirts and shoes to enter) the casinos also have terms that you agree to before registering. Every single site offering such rewards will specifically limit the reward to one per customer and require agreement before creating your account(s). If the customer decides to break those agreements then it will be up to the discretion of the casino on if any sort of refund is appropriate - I would expect them to do the decent thing and refund it for genuine mistakes where neither side has lost or gained anything, however you cannot expect the casino to eat a loss based on the benefit from a special promotion that is wrongly abused. It seems pretty obvious.

How can you say the casino doesn't tell what kind of cheating the person was doing? It could vary from situation to situation.
Also, sometimes the casino can be the cheater, that is when the house doesn't want to pay the gambler and creates an issue to justify an account ban. In this case it's more likely they won't tell the form of cheating the gambler was doing, because there wasn't any cheating in first place.

It's unethical to not follow casinos' rules like this one, because when people break this rule they show no respect for the platform and its operators who put a lot of effort creating worthful promotions to please customers. And cheaters are actually fools, as on long run the number of promotions will just decrease due to so many trickery attempts.

So such greedy persons are abusing the system by making more account only to get income from their own referral or getting more bonus money for signups.

Its good that gambling site ban such scammers. Isn't it good that those cheater deposit money in different accounts and all of those account get ban. The cheater deserve such punishments.

Most players register multiple accounts to increase the probability of winning due to the bonuses provided, realizing the risks of losing their money. Even if a player has not read the terms of service and rules of participation in referral programs, he understands that he is trying to cheat the gambling site. Whether it's immoral or not depends on a person's upbringing. Someone builds his life on deception and someone does not accept such behavior. Therefore, it is impossible to say unequivocally.

I do understand what you mean, there have been instances where players had the same probelms with the sites and at the end of the day, nothing was done. If you are always using the same email address ( if needed ) then you might be safe with those things, but some sites generally delete the account, if it's been inactive for a while and at the same time if you have not deposited anything in the wallet since a really long time as well. Therefore this is something wise that works along the way, I do think if more sites are using this method, they might prevent further probelms with the players.
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When there is no comprehensive reason for what makes you say it is an act of cheating, it is clear we cannot say only from one side. However, there is no problem except for the root that causes the problem in your gambling to fall into the category of cheating. While you yourself avoid these things, which in general, try to pay attention to the rules at the casino, maybe if it has rules that you don't realize, it's clear that whatever the reason, it's very difficult to solve. Casinos don't want to lose and you don't want to lose the money you've bet.

I think that when people know they are cheating and have already been discovered by the casino, then those people who have been found cheating must be people with the courage to admit their mistakes publicly, for ethical reasons. it is not good to be lying to appear innocent in front of the public when the person is guilty. There was a case on this forum where the cheater told a touching story that even I was moved and I even thought he was innocent and the casino was guilty, for days later the person was exposed with evidence that he was guilty, I was left feeling like a idiot, it was a very sad feeling i felt. that's why I advise anyone to admit their mistakes. don't lie

A gambler who does not intend to make money from gambling will not try to create multiple accounts instead have one account and play gambling occasionally and do not even think to abuse the rule from the casino. But that could happen to a gambler who wants to make more money from the game to create another account to play. We do not know their reason for doing that, but I think they should not feel sad if, somehow, the casino knows that they are cheating and close the account because that is their own mistake.

Why would anybody need multiple accounts anyway? If the ToS says "don't do it", then don't do it. I am not saying that ToS always make sense but in this case, I see no harm following the ToS. Having multiple accounts will only raise suspicion on you because mostly cheaters use multiple accounts and if you not a cheater, don't use multiple accounts.

If you aren't violating the rules stated in their TOS, I think there's nothing to worry about. We all know that casino sites especially those who are just starting are just protecting their site from abuse so more users would benefit from their promos. We as players should also know our limits so we'll never get banned. We should always be transparent and try to get rid of unnecessary actions.

I think what most people have neglect are the rules stated per gambling site. They carelessly create an account, try to circumvent the giveaways, and complain afterwards in the event that they get banned. Same as the rules in the forum, if you committed anything that is prohibited, then you will suffer the consequences of your actions.

But if if you really want to avoid any encumbrances or "shady" practices that you seem to argue, then play on reputable gambling websites. They will, most likely, provide the reason behind your infractions for full transparency.

You should read a lot about the terms and conditions of the site you are going to play on before signing up. Generally sites don't allow users to have more account because it can be considered fraudulent, but in some case having multiple account for non-infringing purposes may be allowed. You just have to say something to the site admins before they ban you and block your account and freeze your money. You should probably know that site can block you without telling you why if you agree to the terms and conditions but you violate them.

OP, are you having problems about registering multiple account on the same site for the purpose of earning from your referrals or want to generate bonuses from them? I would also like to hear your opinion on what gamblers should do.

You are cheating intentionally by referring yourself and, gambling operators know very well that there are users that will try to cheat their system and they have parameters implemented that will catch cheaters, if you are good at cheating, gambling operators can catch you because in the back end of the interface they know not only the IP but every little information about your location and system and some of them are using a bot to track similarities of their players.
So it's useless to think that you can cheat them using the same IP, if you have an intention to cheat you have a bad ethics.

the cheater will still cheat himself thinking he didn't do anything wrong. even if the casino doesn't list that as a violation, he knows to himself that he did something wrong. registering another user under your another account's ref link is not wrong in the eyes of the system but you know it's a cheat.

the casino wouldn't reveal the violation i guess because it still encourages gamblers to register. shady as they are to market their platform.

I think when you try to by pass the site or inputting or using same data identification like email etc that is violation of the rules on double registration. Usually you get warning in such occasions because it looks impossible to use two identical information, the website will recognise it. I think is a conscience thing not to violate the rules there.

Yeah, that's the real issues on some crypto platforms, they never disclose the reason for banning an account, they will only said that they have some kind of evidence that the user is cheating. But the user will tell us otherwise, so it's like a "he said she said". There are some kind of arbitration though.

Anyhow, I guess it's case to case basis, whether it's ethical or morale, still the benefit of the doubt is still on the gamblers who have been accused of cheating.

It's just knowing the rules, that's it. If you yourself knowing that you did something that made them accuse you of not following their T&C, then that's that, morale or ethics doesn't really say anything here since it's just damn common sense. Now if you ask them why you got yourself banned, and you yourself clearly have no idea, then if they answer, all is fine, if they don't, well now there's where the problem would start. It's ethical since they need to answer if asked however, it isn't really needed for them to actually tell them what T&C you actually violated, that is imo only ofc.

If that's the same concern for that thread, you should just continue the discussion there. It's on the part of the casino and if they're reputable enough, they'll tell you why you're not eligible for it.
Still it ends up to the user being told as a cheater because of violating the rules about multi accounts.

That situation is more on the ethical part since there's a reason why most platforms never disclose the issue on why users get banned and at the same time some sites even encourage their players to use VPN when it's against their own rules and it could put their players at risk if KYC becomes a requirement. Then again some sites do mention the reason or at least provide some proofs on how accounts get flagged with multi accounting, I remember back then fortunejack received a complaint in their thread and they provided some deposit address that was related between the two.

While reading at this thread Why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one?. Something came to my head and here it is:

We in this forum have seen so many gambling sites launched and many of us have tried those sites. Sometimes, the new gambling site provides a giveaway for new members to test to find out that the site is worth continuing to use and can be a good site for us.

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?