What does a Free Market mean to you? - page 6.

Murwa

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Quote from: kokjo on August 09, 2011, 05:51:49 AM

just because you have a free market, does not mean that you have the skills to build a nuclear bomb

Not bomb because bomb has limited radius . Plutonium can be dispersed over entire planet thanks to jet streams.

We live on single interconnected world, someone else's freedom is interfering with your own even if you dont see it.

"6 billion other people will have the freedom to come and stop you by any means they see fit."

There you go , your first regulation.

"You cant buil nuclear plants full of obsolete fuel type based on plutonium".

Just so i wont get accused of hijacking , my definition of free market is building extremely deadly technologies that can wipe out entire mankind or some of it , in name of profit. Or doing the hell i want without regardless of the consequences.

payb.tc

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Quote from: Murwa on August 09, 2011, 05:48:08 AM

Finally i can build my own nuclear plant full of plutonium rods and then blow it up.

Game over mankind.

6 billion other people will have the freedom to come and stop you by any means they see fit.

322i0n

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Quote from: evoorhees on August 08, 2011, 05:09:14 PM

The United States of America is not even close to a "free market." It is a socialist/corporatist nation, not a capitalist nation (the fact that it's not as socialist as other places doesn't make it capitalist).

America is closer to Free Market Fascism. Those with the most power control through force, coercion or persuasion those with the less power.

markm

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The problem is "they" (not sure which/who "they") keep trying to sell the idea that buying their idea is better that taking their idea and their wallet and maybe even checking how edible they are.

They also complain when some rambunctious customer offers three bullets through the head in return for their corpse.

Then they start claiming they can hire Rambo to put more bullets faster into someone before someone puts three bullets through their head.

Pretty soon I have to wonder how their mercenaries proposal is less bad than the mercenaries who already have all the guns...

-MarkM-

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: Murwa on August 09, 2011, 05:48:08 AM

Quote from: evoorhees on August 08, 2011, 05:09:14 PM

"Free market" means no person or group has the right to force any other person or group to make any economic decision. This leaves room for government involvement in a very narrow field - namely contract enforcement and theft and violence prevention/prosecution.

In practice, this would have a few key features:
- No minimum wage
- No taxation of trade or income
- No import/export restrictions
- No central control of monetary systems, no central bank
- No FDIC
- No "consumer safety regulations"
- No building codes
- No FDA
- No prohibition of substances
- No prohibition of voluntary action (incl. gambling and prostitution, etc.)

The United States of America is not even close to a "free market." It is a socialist/corporatist nation, not a capitalist nation (the fact that it's not as socialist as other places doesn't make it capitalist).

Finally i can build my own nuclear plant full of plutonium rods and then blow it up.

Game over mankind.

just beacuse you have a free market, does not mean that you have the skills to build a nuclear bomb

Murwa

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Quote from: evoorhees on August 08, 2011, 05:09:14 PM

"Free market" means no person or group has the right to force any other person or group to make any economic decision. This leaves room for government involvement in a very narrow field - namely contract enforcement and theft and violence prevention/prosecution.

In practice, this would have a few key features:
- No minimum wage
- No taxation of trade or income
- No import/export restrictions
- No central control of monetary systems, no central bank
- No FDIC
- No "consumer safety regulations"
- No building codes
- No FDA
- No prohibition of substances
- No prohibition of voluntary action (incl. gambling and prostitution, etc.)

The United States of America is not even close to a "free market." It is a socialist/corporatist nation, not a capitalist nation (the fact that it's not as socialist as other places doesn't make it capitalist).

Finally i can build my own nuclear plant full of plutonium rods and then blow it up.

Game over mankind.

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: Quix on August 08, 2011, 11:21:23 PM

A free market is an impossible ideal, a system with no checks and balances to keep things stable. No society in the history of the world has ever had a successful free market-based economy and I don't think that's likely to change.

we never had had a free market.

the liberalism people are screaming: we what free market. we never had a real free market.
the communism people are screaming: we want communism. we never had read communism.

Quix

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A free market is an impossible ideal, a system with no checks and balances to keep things stable. No society in the history of the world has ever had a successful free market-based economy and I don't think that's likely to change.

cunicula

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Free market is a meaningless construct. I'll call it a set of regulations that maximizes long run economic growth per capita. China appears to have an effective free market by my definition.

JoelKatz

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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.

I would just add to evorhees comment that he only focused on half the picture. You also need a strong political system including police and courts that can deal with cases of fraud, intimidation, and theft. You need a society that respects property rights and holds people to their word. There are a large number of things that you must not prohibit to have a free market, but to have an effective free market, there are a few things you must strongly prohibit and those prohibitions must be enforced.

Trader Steve

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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."

Quote from: evoorhees on August 08, 2011, 05:09:14 PM

"Free market" means no person or group has the right to force any other person or group to make any economic decision. This leaves room for government involvement in a very narrow field - namely contract enforcement and theft and violence prevention/prosecution.

In practice, this would have a few key features:
- No minimum wage
- No taxation of trade or income
- No import/export restrictions
- No central control of monetary systems, no central bank
- No FDIC
- No "consumer safety regulations"
- No building codes
- No FDA
- No prohibition of substances
- No prohibition of voluntary action (incl. gambling and prostitution, etc.)

The United States of America is not even close to a "free market." It is a socialist/corporatist nation, not a capitalist nation (the fact that it's not as socialist as other places doesn't make it capitalist).

+1

evoorhees

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Democracy is the original 51% attack

"Free market" means no person or group has the right to force any other person or group to make any economic decision. This leaves room for government involvement in a very narrow field - namely contract enforcement and theft and violence prevention/prosecution.

In practice, this would have a few key features:
- No minimum wage
- No taxation of trade or income
- No import/export restrictions
- No central control of monetary systems, no central bank
- No FDIC
- No "consumer safety regulations"
- No building codes
- No FDA
- No prohibition of substances
- No prohibition of voluntary action (incl. gambling and prostitution, etc.)

The United States of America is not even close to a "free market." It is a socialist/corporatist nation, not a capitalist nation (the fact that it's not as socialist as other places doesn't make it capitalist).

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: Trader Steve on August 08, 2011, 12:55:43 PM

Quote from: kokjo on August 08, 2011, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: niemivh on August 08, 2011, 12:39:09 PM

Please post what you think defines a "Free Market", using a moderate level of detail.

no regulations at all.

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No two sentence answers.

fuck you! my choice not yours!

Freedom of choice. I think the above sums it up nicely. For more detail I suggest reading "My Philosophy of Liberty" at http://www.economicsandliberty.com

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Trader Steve

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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."

Quote from: kokjo on August 08, 2011, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: niemivh on August 08, 2011, 12:39:09 PM

Please post what you think defines a "Free Market", using a moderate level of detail.

no regulations at all.

Quote

No two sentence answers.

fuck you! my choice not yours!

Freedom of choice. I think the above sums it up nicely. For more detail I suggest reading "My Philosophy of Liberty" at http://www.economicsandliberty.com

niemivh

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Quote from: kokjo on August 08, 2011, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: niemivh on August 08, 2011, 12:39:09 PM

Please post what you think defines a "Free Market", using a moderate level of detail.

no regulations at all.

Quote

No two sentence answers.

fuck you! my choice not yours!

Sometimes I wonder if this whole forum is full of trolls or if I am trolling myself for expecting something worthwhile on occasion.

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: niemivh on August 08, 2011, 12:39:09 PM

Please post what you think defines a "Free Market", using a moderate level of detail.

no regulations at all.

Quote

No two sentence answers.

fuck you! my choice not yours!

niemivh

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Please post what you think defines a "Free Market", using a moderate level of detail. No two sentence answers.

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