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Topic: What does everyone think on Iamnotbacks view on Jihan and current UASF situation (Read 1924 times)

sr. member
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Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to.

I finally figured out the most likely reason Jihan is blocking SegWit both on Bitcoin and Litecoin.

Bitmain as the manufacturer of 70% of the mining ASICs, see the issuance of tokens as their exclusive domain. In other words, they very powerful shadow elite who are backing Bitmain want all the tokens issued for themselves. Yes I suspect MP is an owner/investor of Bitmain.

So therefor they need to control that the price doesn't rise faster than the supply of hashrate so that marginal miners (those not in their cabal of mining farms with subsidized electricity) are never significantly profitable. In this way, all the economic value from mining ends up in Bitmain's pocket with which they can purchase the tokens for their shadow elite investors/owners.

But SegWit would enable Core to make upgrades in the future to Bitcoin's ecosystem without needing hashrate activation. Thus Core could in the future push the price up and down, removing that control from Bitman.

This is probably why miners are pushing extension blocks instead as a scaling solution.

Miners will support a change to Litecoin's protocol which allows LN to be added for Litecoin, but Jihan will probably block the features of SegWit which allow softforking version changes. Also I don't think LN (off chain scaling) will ever be allowed for Bitcoin because I explained else where that it causes instability of the block chain and no need to risk for the $billionaire's settlement blockchain which is what Bitcoin is to become.

On Litecoin, Jihan enabled the hype to push the price up so he could presell the April 15 and May 15 batches of L3+ miners at what seemed like a bargain at current LTC price and hashrate, but he probably knows he is going to block SegWit activation and crash the price as well raising the hashrate with those new L3+ miners shipping.
legendary
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@dwgscale11. He is also making it look like that he does not lose a lot in trading making himself look like a market wizard. Newbies in the cryptospace who are looking for someone to follow should be careful if someone starts acting that way. The real trading experts are silent, happily making money and they are not concerned about being right in a forum.
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Forgetting how this works guys ?
The majority buys coins AFTER a whale pumps them.

..that's it.

Ideology has nothing to do with it.



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@NeuroticFish
Color me intrigued.. Why do we not want to be him ?

China man definitely manipulating this one.

Is Anonymint trying to out chinaman the chinaman?

False signals?

It's a shame that all that effort wasn't put into a campaign to get folks to rent hash and go to war to signal the segwit.

Oh well, can we expect another flip flopping opinion in 5 hours?

I think Anonymint is fucking with everyone at the moment, just like the chinaman be fucking with everyone.

Popcorn time?

sr. member
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I sold all my LTC and don't plan on re-entering because I think it is a manipulated clusterfuck.

You are all over the place. And your credibility just plummeted because of it... I hope you are aware of your erratic changes of opinions being bird shot fired into the forums is the cause of it.
sr. member
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Problem solved: Dont pay attention to it
Because:
Constant changing mind aka: 'indecisive', 'uncertain', 'undecided'.

There are many more adjectives.

You could simply say, 'He is a woman!'

* just read post history about LTC.
A +,  is that the opinion spamming switcheroo does  back its opinions up with apparently logical thoughts.

sr. member
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I sold all my LTC and don't plan on re-entering because I think it is a manipulated clusterfuck.
sr. member
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FYI, I took profits on this surge and wait to buy back again later, because I think actually attain activation is going to take at least 2 weeks and probably longer.

In the meantime, I have bought ETH. It is in a descending wedge pattern that is going to close within 24 hours. It looks like it has to break to the upside. Perhaps Ethereum will make some announcement on the Raiden (LN clone) upgrade coming. Looks like they will beat Litecoin to having a rudimentary beta of off chain scaling.

Insane volatility, but a great time to make money day trading. I sold ETH at a profit and reentered LTC before the wedge breakout!

sr. member
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Who ever doesn't on board the Litecoin rocket now, is going to be kicking themselves until they are butthurt:



Well, nobody can say they didn't get good advice from this thread Wink

And sometimes perfect timing:

BW just signaled and LTC price hockey-sticking. Nope, just a coincidence. Not correlated at all!


legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
Forgetting how this works guys ?
The majority buys coins AFTER a whale pumps them.

..that's it.

Ideology has nothing to do with it.



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@NeuroticFish
Color me intrigued.. Why do we not want to be him ?
sr. member
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18534663

You think Jihan is gonna end up supporting while the UASF gets closer to being a reality? Especially on LTC?
Wouldnt he want to keep the power by doing this?

He is clearly talking out of his ass most of the time. If you read all his theories take them lightly and do not make investment decisions because of them. He also keeps pushing for litecoin to reach 50 and that makes me think he is holding LTC right now. Right there alone could make his opinions biased. Maybe he thinks his posts can move the market.

He may also be overthinking everything.
He has openly stated he is holding.

He probably was overthinking a little, as he stated he sold then bought back in.

It is also a fact he helped make Risto. Think about that for a second.

And finally why would he tarnish his rep for litcoin which he admits he doesn't care about it? The answer, he is really just concerned with being right.

I for one am curious as to his continued analysis of reading the litcoin tea leaves and to what he would consider going into when litecoin hits his mark.
legendary
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18534663

You think Jihan is gonna end up supporting while the UASF gets closer to being a reality? Especially on LTC?
Wouldnt he want to keep the power by doing this?

He is clearly talking out of his ass most of the time. If you read all his theories take them lightly and do not make investment decisions because of them. He also keeps pushing for litecoin to reach 50 and that makes me think he is holding LTC right now. Right there alone could make his opinions biased. Maybe he thinks his posts can move the market.

He may also be overthinking everything.
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@iamnotback, thanks i'm wrapping my head around it.  Cheesy Very interesting situations and fascinating to think about!


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If you indeed have 70% or 60%, then you don't need a USAF, just lower the threshold.

Good point! Why the heck all this talk about UASF's all of a sudden.
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Also soft forks turn into hard forks if there is contention. That is why soft forks don't activate without 75 - 95% hashrate support. The authors of UASF are retarded.

Lowering the activation threshold for soft fork of SegWit on Litecoin to say ~60% which is effectively what UASF would be, is very risky. Jihan may be hiding hashrate that can use to create a HF with (he might even be signaling SegWit secretly with some of his hardware in order to lure the UASF into overconfidence).

You try and you will lose your money. I warned you. The big money will not tolerate a non-hashrate driven MOB. If they could tolerate it, they would already have invested in PoShit tokens.

You say you want PoW then you say your don't want PoW. Make up your mind.

The LTC UASF situation is much different than Bitcoin's. For now, in BTC, there is a stale mate between miners so any attempt, be it UASF, BU HF or whatever is doomed to fail until there is a clear winner.

Litecoin on the other hand already has ~70% of the miners behind SegWit (and others that want it are not signalling yet, like ProHashing), want development built on top of it, the community wants SegWit and economic nodes want SegWit. One person blocking this cannot stand, and he won't be able to do anything about it.

But I wrote before that it is not clear if that 70% really exists. Jihan may be fooling you by signaling some of his hashrate to activate SegWit to lure you into a trap.

If you indeed have 70% or 60%, then you don't need a USAF, just lower the threshold. The reason to not to do that is because it is very risky. UASF helps nothing! Everything depends on hashrate.


I have another new theory for Jihan's motivation. He may want Charlie Lee to be more concrete about SegWit being the final protocol update. The last thing Jihan wants is another set of Core-like developers trying to create trouble. Charlie works for Coinbase (or DCG) and so he might be pressured to put stuff on Litecoin's protocol that favors the vested interests of his employers at the detriment of others.

Charlie needs to have a talk with Jihan asap.
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@btcbug, more explanation of my prior comment about ETH...

how are the investment is ASCIs related to this?  
Are you making things up again  Roll Eyes  Cheesy  Cheesy


(ASCIs, Except if you have proof of course, Is only an incentive to REMAIN and STICK to the chain where your ASCIs Belong, what  2+2 is equal to, big boy?)

I love how you insult me while asking me to explain what you don't know.  Cheesy

"I am ignorant and you are an asshurl, but tell me what I don't know before you fuck off". Lol. Very persuasive.

Ahem. Ummmm. (Grabs chalkboard and prepares to writes some BIG LETTERS like ABCs for ADHD children)

Uhhh, can SHA256 ASICs on the scale owned by Bitmain be profitably repurposed to any other coin? No. Can GPUs be profitably repurposed from ETH/ETC to another coin or activity? Yes.

Can the supply of hashrate on Bitcoin be suddenly increased by 50% by renting hashrate? No, supply of ASICs is constrained. Can the supply of hashrate on ETH/ETC be suddenly increased by 50% by renting hashrate? Yes, GPUs are not constrained and GPUs from other coins can be incentivized to switch.

Miners on ETH/ETC have no vested interest. Vitalik will be kicking them out someday anyway. They can repurposed to the most profitable coin any time. So miners on ETH/ETC have no vested interest to enforce immutability. On Bitcoin they have huge vested interest to prevent retards from turning Bitcoin into a political clusterfuck or a BDFL such as Vitalik.

More saliently, Ethereum is a power-vacuum because miners have no vested interest. Thus Ethereum can only exist with a BDFL. This is why ETC was able to fork off.

Stop insulting me and respect the knowledge of those who are smarter and more widely studied than you are. Feel free to reason with me, but stop acting like childish nincompoops.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
I think UASF would work. For example...

ETH vs ETH Classic... I think ETH won the battle there because mostly all of the decent smart contract projects, the original developers, and most of the userbase went with the new ETH chain. In the end, for both ETH and ETH Classic, their value will be derived from the quality and usage of their smart contracts. ETH has ETH Classic beat hands down at the moment, and it doesn't appear like that will ever flip flop.

Now, let's consider LTC vs LTC Classic:

LTC:
LTC keeps its developers funded by the LTC association
Adds Segwit and all the benefits of such
Adds LN and all the benefits of such
Adds various projects that developers can add on top of Segwit and the LN (some have publicly stated that they will develop said projects on LTC rather than Bitcoin if Segwit/LN are activated)
Possibly steals some transactions from Bitcoin due to Bitcoin not being able to handle all of its current transactions, plus the speed benefits
LTC finally gets out of BTC's shadow, starts innovating, and stops playing the copycat game.
Bigger userbase and community

LTC Classic:
Would be LTC as it is today, minus all of LTC's developers
Jihan ultimately has the final say so in every fork
Smaller userbase and community



Just as I think ETH will be more valuable than ETH Classic in the future, my bet would be on LTC rather than LTC Classic. Honestly, I think it is a no-brainer.
sr. member
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Jihan Wu approves of my posts?

Last year, Kevin Pan recommended me a book called The Cathedral and the Bazaar. I got it. We will put lots of money.

I regretted one thing. In China, open source culture is not popular. I did not understand it. We put too less or 0 money into community.
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@btcbug, I realized another factor on ETH in addition to those I stated in my prior post:

But I think you are wrong regarding UASF. What is currently going on is a hostage situation where 1 man is holding back an entire network. Two, actually.
You say "immutability", I say "his own benefit". Who knows what it will be next, and before you know it, he's in bed with certain entities.

But while he can block us from activating SegWit, he can't HF by himself to do something naughty, because the other miners will turn against him and he apparently doesn't control 51% by himself. He forced alliances on this SegWit issue, but I don't think he could for naught activities.

Btw, I agree that having one manufacturer that makes such a large percentage of the ASICs is not good. But that is PoW. I actually am trying to develop a replacement for PoW.

If you don't want PoW, then go to PoS coin instead. ETH was able to take control because Vitalik is going to fork to a POShit eventually anyway, so there is no investment in ASICs.

UASF is, currently, the best way to put him and other mining entities back in their places and set a precedent, as a warning to anyone that attempts to attack the network. And, strictly from a speculative pov, people seem more than happy to put their money where their mouth is wrt this UASF event, opposite of your claim that people don't want to store value on a democratic chain.

You try and you will lose your money. I warned you. The big money will not tolerate a non-hashrate driven MOB. If they could tolerate it, they would already have invested in PoShit tokens.

You say you want PoW then you say your don't want PoW. Make up your mind.
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... Everybody who values the value of blockchains will sell the UASF fork, because democracy totally devalues blockchains and makes them worthless. I think Jihan wants to make money while also making an ideological point. It is survival-of-the-fittest and he wants to impoverish all those who don't understand that immutability is what makes blockchains valuable and democracy is what makes everything bankrupt, untrustable, and valueless...

I'm curious how do you view UASF or any Democratic type solutions as dangerous (which I agree), yet you have been bullish with regards to ETH vs ETC?

Clearly, atm at least, the market is valuing ETH and for some valid reasons (development or whatever), but the market has not valued immutability (yet).

Edit: Perhaps it's different, because ETH/ETC are not really store of value tokens?

1. My own view on immutability has changed since I was buying ETH some weeks ago.

2. My main reason for diversifying into ETH was to sidestep the uncertainty in BTC. And because I think Vitalik can possibly incite another bubble. And ETH may get scaling Lightning Networks (in a rudimentary form) first, which might be good for a pump.

3. Yeah ETH is bet on things with blockchains other than store-of-value and fungible money. It is sort of in my knowledge age concept of a bifurcation. Thus I invest in ETH as a hedge against them accomplishing what I want to do with my BitNet project before I am able to. But I see some serious flaws in ETH that leads me to believe I could beat them if ever I can get any momentum going. We'll see. Any way, yeah ETH is a different beast.
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... Everybody who values the value of blockchains will sell the UASF fork, because democracy totally devalues blockchains and makes them worthless. I think Jihan wants to make money while also making an ideological point. It is survival-of-the-fittest and he wants to impoverish all those who don't understand that immutability is what makes blockchains valuable and democracy is what makes everything bankrupt, untrustable, and valueless...

I'm curious how do you view UASF or any Democratic type solutions as dangerous (which I agree), yet you have been bullish with regards to ETH vs ETC?

Clearly, atm at least, the market is valuing ETH and for some valid reasons (development or whatever), but the market has not valued immutability (yet).

Edit: Perhaps it's different, because ETH/ETC are not really store of value tokens?
sr. member
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What are you proposing the smart money go to?  Litecoin and the uncertainty of getting Segwit via miners or UASF?

No. I think we have to trade this manipulation on Litecoin, noting that he will again run the price up and then frustrate everyone to incite a UASF fork attempt. My new speculative theory is he wants us to feel like we are on a yoyo that he controls in order to incite the MOB to break out their pitch forks. Or just stay on the immutable fork of Bitcoin as the safest holding.

Sell any and all forks not approved by Jihan. You will take money from Block(stream)heads who believe in democracy.

Other smallcap altcoin speculation is orthogonal to this.
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