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Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns.
While I agree with the main idea you present here, I would just like to point out that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object; not alien space craft, though many jump from the former to the latter for no good reason. As such, there are indeed UFOs - that is, events associated with unidentified objects that remain unexplained to this day - very few such cases exist, but they do exist.
Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.
While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example.
You're right: it is problematic to draw conclusions based on so little information, as is the case for life in the universe - but, in a sense, aren't you doing just that? I mean, you believe the argument he presents has merit, but sort of dismissed it based on an anthropocentric view: not only do we not know what the future holds for humanity, and whether or not it will destroy itself, but also, we don't know if there is good reason for such danger to be common to all advanced species - personally, I think culture has a lot more influence than most attribute to it. Also, just because humans have so far been unable to devise workable ways to move at speeds faster than light, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And finally, there could be life forms whose biology allows them to survive in conditions different to what we have on Earth, effectively increasing the number of worlds that might hold life.
Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.
While I find the argument about odds has merit, we really can't say anything about other life in the universe since we have only one example.
Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Yeah, but please do calculate how long it would take us to reach them !?
Even if we could travel at speed of light , we probably would die before arriving to another civilisation,
the only chance we can have is to build ships that would have eco-system and where few generations would pass, enabling us to explore much further.
Around 100 billion stars/suns just in our galaxy!! Between 100 and 500 billion galaxy's in the universe closer to 500 billion!! Please open you're mind that we are not alone the proof is in the math if you had a brain cell or two you could figure that out.
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
Possible earth like habitable planets in the universe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 so i guess the chances are we are all alone
There was a ton of ufo cought on tape while cameras were basicaly useless, and now when everyone has atleast 5mpx on their cellphone,
theres no more sightings, gee i wonder why.
Furthermore, it was said that even if there is intelignet life out there , they surely wont come and visit us, because we are what we are..
As far as government is concerned, they cant find a missing plane with gps, what makes you think theyre capable of locating ufo's
theres no more sightings, gee i wonder why.
Furthermore, it was said that even if there is intelignet life out there , they surely wont come and visit us, because we are what we are..
As far as government is concerned, they cant find a missing plane with gps, what makes you think theyre capable of locating ufo's
Show me the money? That's what I want to see. Never in history has there been a discovery that shows life elsewhere in the universe. Show me non-DNA life, or a piece of the space ship made from an unknown material. Until you have something like that the evidence for UFOs is the same as for unicorns.
UFOs do exist and have been mentioned my governments. I don't think they are hiding anything about aliens as I don't think any have ever been here or contacted us.
UFOs are exactly that, unexplained. I guess we will explain them at dome point but people won't believe the explanation.
UFOs are exactly that, unexplained. I guess we will explain them at dome point but people won't believe the explanation.
What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale.
Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked.
Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked.
That could well be the case - if we're visited by "human-like" aliens, we're probably fucked.
That said, just a couple of comments: worlds outside the Goldilocks zone can still have the conditions for life similar to what we know - tidal heating and radioactive decay could help environments keep liquid water outside the usually considered "habitable zone" - Jupiter's moon Europa, for example, might be one such world. So, "Goldilocks planets" are probably not uncommon, though many can still be hostile and uninhabitable for other reasons.
But more importantly, one of the problems with having only the example of life on Earth to start with, is that we don't really know how dissimilar other life might be: they might not share our requirements for habitable worlds; they might not even share most of our motivations and incentives; and ultimately, they might be either so alien, or so far more advanced, that we might not even understand what we're seeing for what it is - who knows, maybe they use the Earth, and similar worlds, as a sort of RPG.
There is no UFOs and ET's
agree with this one.
Alien & UFO were created by someone who has high imagination then he decide to make the first movie about it.
It attract much people and entertaining on that time. Until our memory program the shape how UFO's like.
When see something similiar like it, then he convince that he saw the UFO
Want the truth?
Its simple. There is no UFO and ETs.
GOV is making it from their own secret projects when they leak out by accident.
Sorry for spoiling the illusions.
Its simple. There is no UFO and ETs.
GOV is making it from their own secret projects when they leak out by accident.
Sorry for spoiling the illusions.
There is no UFOs and ET's
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What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale.
Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked.
(Red colorization mine.)What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale.
Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked.
Quote from: Plato. _Apology_. trans.: Benjamin Jowett. The Internet Classics Archive. 13 Feb. 235. link=http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html
Why do I mention this? Because I am going to explain to you why I have such an evil name. When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the [otherworldly being] mean? and what is the interpretation of this riddle? for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great. What can he mean when he says that I am the wisest of men? And yet he is a[n] [otherworldly being] and cannot lie; that would be against his nature. After a long consideration, I at last thought of a method of trying the question. I reflected that if I could only find a man wiser than myself, then I might go to the [otherworldly being] with a refutation in my hand. I should say to him, "Here is a man who is wiser than I am; but you said that I was the wisest." Accordingly I went to one who had the reputation of wisdom, and observed to him - his name I need not mention; he was a politician whom I selected for examination - and the result was as follows: When I began to talk with him, I could not help thinking that he was not really wise, although he was thought wise by many, and wiser still by himself; and I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me, and his enmity was shared by several who were present and heard me. So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him. Then I went to another, who had still higher philosophical pretensions, and my conclusion was exactly the same. I made another enemy of him, and of many others besides him.
(Red colorization mine.) 
People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
A civilization that could intelligently interact with another such civilization would not view a less capable “civilization” (perhaps, speaking from the perspective of one such civilization) as a peer and would avoid it therefor.
What we know from our own history is that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization the last one suffers immensely, I think we can extrapolate this for the cosmic scale.
Don't know how rare Goldilocks planets are, but probably pretty rare, and so desirable, if a civilization with the capability of reaching Earth finds us, we're probably fucked.
People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
A civilization that could intelligently interact with another such civilization would not view a less capable “civilization” (perhaps, speaking from the perspective of one such civilization) as a peer and would avoid it therefor.
Its hard to believe in something without actually seeing it, But many of us do it. God is one example.
God and UFOs are depicted on TV and the movies which creates a powerful believable image.
God and UFOs are depicted on TV and the movies which creates a powerful believable image.
A) Hiding info that would clearly tell the public that we have been visited by aliens?
Impossible. You can't hide something that big, or if you can, it would require far more competence than the government is known for.B) Promoting false belief in UFO's by staging events, including (for example) "amazing things" that Air Force pilots have seen and talked about?
They already have. Remember the Roswell crash? It's since been revealed that it was a top-secret high-altitude balloon for observing Soviet nuclear tests, but for obvious reasons the government couldn't admit that at the time, so they made up the UFO story as a cover-up (or the media made it up and the government just went along with it, which amounts to the same thing in the end). 
Stargate SG-1 is not sci-fi, but an actual documentary. reenactments based on true events. 
I think a mix of both. We've been to space, so we've propably made contact with an advanced ET race. However things like Area 51 is propably a military base, nothing else.
People in Government positions don't know more than everybody else.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
Check Fermi paradox for some good hypothesis on why we haven't encountered alien civilizations yet.
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