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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 22, 2023, 08:56:21 PM

Quote from: BVeyron on March 10, 2023, 03:16:37 PM

The main thing is a good app for Android with min to no bugs, with little to no KYC. And, of course, there is a need to continuously widen the range of sports to bet on. I suppose these are the key to good and stable success for crypto casino.

If a Casino has the functionality to have an app and if the Casino is strict on the kyc ,it is obvious that in the App it will require the kyc from you in the same way. In a casino App you should focus on security , it should always be at the highest level because it is easier for hackers to extract the person's data , this is something that has always been reflected , in fact I have read many articles that there are people who steal their wallet private keys because they accessed their Phones without any kind of permission and stole everything.

But for now, KYC has become a kind of obligation for certain people, especially people who use a lot of money to gamble. But casinos can make concessions for their members who only play gambling with small amounts of money because many casino members are not people who have a lot of money.

Maybe casinos don't need to release their casino applications but focus on developing their sites that can be accessed via people's phones because creating a casino application also requires additional costs. If the casino has just launched, maybe the casino can think about it later because the most important thing is how they can promote their casino to the public.

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Quote from: BVeyron on March 10, 2023, 03:16:37 PM

The main thing is a good app for Android with min to no bugs, with little to no KYC. And, of course, there is a need to continuously widen the range of sports to bet on. I suppose these are the key to good and stable success for crypto casino.

If a Casino has the functionality to have an app and if the Casino is strict on the kyc ,it is obvious that in the App it will require the kyc from you in the same way. In a casino App you should focus on security , it should always be at the highest level because it is easier for hackers to extract the person's data , this is something that has always been reflected , in fact I have read many articles that there are people who steal their wallet private keys because they accessed their Phones without any kind of permission and stole everything.

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If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

It seems to me very silly that they launder money that way, because it is risky and those who launder money could ultimately Choose an option like a casino or an exchange, anything that involves giving their data is something that is not favorable, I do not they will do, governments Launder money and they don't do it that way, the way they do it is with their Own casinos because they have their permits already acquired and they have how, it's better for them to risk taking the cash than doing it through casinos or cryptocurrencies.

If a gambler deposits large amount of money in the casino platform it must be suspected. And those who usually bet with so much money may not be legal. Moreover, gambling with such money government can take legal action against the casino. Then if the casino can't find the gambler, then it is the responsibility of the casino. So no casino authorities won't take the responsibility. That is why they ask for KYC from the gamblers.

Money laundering is the main issue on here on which we do know that these places could really be able to handle out huge sums of amount which no other place you can able to see on and this is why its no

surprise that government would really be that mindful about these platforms and its just normal that these companies would really be abiding the rules and regulations on which the government had set out

or else they wouldnt really be having that operation or would really be suspended.Therefore, it is always been stated on their terms and conditions about KYC rules or possible asking it out later on
if ever someone do make out that huge deposit then you would really be that subjected for that verification but i dont see this as an issue if you do know on where those funds came from.

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If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

It seems to me very silly that they launder money that way, because it is risky and those who launder money could ultimately Choose an option like a casino or an exchange, anything that involves giving their data is something that is not favorable, I do not they will do, governments Launder money and they don't do it that way, the way they do it is with their Own casinos because they have their permits already acquired and they have how, it's better for them to risk taking the cash than doing it through casinos or cryptocurrencies.

If a gambler deposits large amount of money in the casino platform it must be suspected. And those who usually bet with so much money may not be legal. Moreover, gambling with such money government can take legal action against the casino. Then if the casino can't find the gambler, then it is the responsibility of the casino. So no casino authorities won't take the responsibility. That is why they ask for KYC from the gamblers.

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Quote from: BVeyron on March 22, 2023, 11:25:14 AM

Yah, money laundering through crypto casino is one of the silliest things, but when illegal income, especially fast illegal income, fully captures the mind, people are not expected to behave in a smart way... So all the types of laundering are to be employed

All money launderers are employed?
What do you mean by that sentence?
No one employs money laundering because they are individuals who use crypto casinos for money laundering because they want to avoid or eliminate evidence of crimes such as corruption and embezzlement of funds so that they are not charged in court if the case is reported to the authorities or law enforcement.
There have been many cases of laundering via crypto and it's no longer a secret if crypto is used to launder money because the government or law enforcement agencies cannot see purely the money that goes into crypto assets.
One of the uses of KYC that is enforced by casinos or crypto trading platforms is also one of avoiding people who commit money laundering crimes.

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Quote from: traderethereum on March 21, 2023, 06:03:34 AM

If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

It seems to me very silly that they launder money that way, because it is risky and those who launder money could ultimately Choose an option like a casino or an exchange, anything that involves giving their data is something that is not favorable, I do not they will do, governments Launder money and they don't do it that way, the way they do it is with their Own casinos because they have their permits already acquired and they have how, it's better for them to risk taking the cash than doing it through casinos or cryptocurrencies.

Yah, money laundering through crypto casino is one of the silliest things, but when illegal income, especially fast illegal income, fully captures the mind, people are not expected to behave in a smart way... So all the types of laundering are to be employed

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Quote from: shasan on March 21, 2023, 02:58:46 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2023, 06:26:16 PM

or this reason the requirement of NO KYC becomes the main pillar of demand for players in casinos.

But if there is no KYC then how to solve the problem of money laundering? For money laundering, the casinos will be responsible if there is no KYC then it will be difficult to trace the user, as a result, all the responsibility will be upon the casino. And also there will be a question regarding the abuse of bonuses and so on.

It beats my imagination more often than not whenever I see gamblers kicking against KYC on online gambling sites and it makes me wanna ask does such persons has illicit intention or what that KYC becomes his major problem compared to losing his money through unfair act from online casinos cause tis is what genuine gamblers should burden themselves with more.
Like Shasan asked, how do you go about tracing an issue of financial crime used through your site by a customer if such gambling site make no use of KYC? Maybe some of us don't know what many of these online casinos go through in hands of the authority behind the curtains just to keep business moving then maybe this thread might clear a few things https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61940945

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Quote from: taufik123 on March 21, 2023, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on March 21, 2023, 06:03:34 AM

If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

Sometimes new people at a casino don't understand that they have to adjust to the casino and don't use big money to gamble just yet.
That can make the casino suspect their account and later, the casino can ask them for KYC and they will complain if their account is blocked or suspended by the casino.
Yes, I also suggest making a small deposit while looking at or reading the rules of the casino.
After we have been in the casino for a while, we can add the money to the deposit and continue gambling as usual.
I think it will be safer for us to gamble so maybe the casino won't ask us to do it for a while.
But we must be prepared if the casino asks us to do KYC one day.

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Quote from: traderethereum on March 21, 2023, 06:03:34 AM

If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

It seems to me very silly that they launder money that way, because it is risky and those who launder money could ultimately Choose an option like a casino or an exchange, anything that involves giving their data is something that is not favorable, I do not they will do, governments Launder money and they don't do it that way, the way they do it is with their Own casinos because they have their permits already acquired and they have how, it's better for them to risk taking the cash than doing it through casinos or cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: traderethereum on March 21, 2023, 06:03:34 AM

If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

Not everyone will do something like that. Those who disagree with KYC are of course also due to privacy issues, because KYC must provide real identity to be able to make a withdrawal process in a certain amount.

Currently, the regulations in each online casino tend to apply KYC for security from money laundering practices. New people who make large deposits do need to be aware, this will also have an impact on the sustainability of the online casino. Casinos that apply strict rules will mark these transactions.

I am also relatively new to gambling, making several small deposits is more recommended because there will be no suspicion related to money laundering.
Performing KYC is mandatory when withdrawing a certain amount or just asking for complete identity without supporting documents.

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Quote from: piebeyb on March 21, 2023, 05:25:05 AM

Quote from: shasan on March 21, 2023, 02:58:46 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2023, 06:26:16 PM

or this reason the requirement of NO KYC becomes the main pillar of demand for players in casinos.

But if there is no KYC then how to solve the problem of money laundering? For money laundering, the casinos will be responsible if there is no KYC then it will be difficult to trace the user, as a result, all the responsibility will be upon the casino. And also there will be a question regarding the abuse of bonuses and so on.

there is no other way besides KYC, maybe according to people KYC should be reserved for gamblers who play with big money in casinos while small gamblers are not required if indeed to overcome money laundering it is also impossible to play with small money, maybe that's what many people complain about, So far big gamblers who play big money probably don't have a problem with this KYC thing

If they use big money to gamble and it turns out they are using gambling as a place to launder money, they object to KYC and will take issue with it.
Especially if there are new members who have just joined and immediately used big money to gamble, the casino suspects them and asks them to do KYC.
So casinos don't want to take the risk if there is illegal activity at their place so they can just ask the new member for KYC directly.
If you are new to the casino, it is better not to use big money right away and try to be patient to continue using small money to gamble.
I think the casino will also see your journey in playing gambling at the casino so they won't ask you to do KYC.

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Quote from: shasan on March 21, 2023, 02:58:46 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2023, 06:26:16 PM

or this reason the requirement of NO KYC becomes the main pillar of demand for players in casinos.

But if there is no KYC then how to solve the problem of money laundering? For money laundering, the casinos will be responsible if there is no KYC then it will be difficult to trace the user, as a result, all the responsibility will be upon the casino. And also there will be a question regarding the abuse of bonuses and so on.

there is no other way besides KYC, maybe according to people KYC should be reserved for gamblers who play with big money in casinos while small gamblers are not required if indeed to overcome money laundering it is also impossible to play with small money, maybe that's what many people complain about, So far big gamblers who play big money probably don't have a problem with this KYC thing

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Quote from: shasan on March 21, 2023, 02:58:46 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2023, 06:26:16 PM

or this reason the requirement of NO KYC becomes the main pillar of demand for players in casinos.

But if there is no KYC then how to solve the problem of money laundering? For money laundering, the casinos will be responsible if there is no KYC then it will be difficult to trace the user, as a result, all the responsibility will be upon the casino. And also there will be a question regarding the abuse of bonuses and so on.

Do you really think, dear colleague in this forum, that KYC is a serious obstacle for scammers who need to launder, or rather legalize, their proceeds from crime. I think this is too naive a delusion.
No KYC can be seriously considered as an effective security tool against serious criminals.
As a maximum, KYC will protect only from a naive teenager who decides that he is a cool, advanced hacker.
I believe that KYC was invented by American bankers simply as a tool for mass control of the population by controlling financial flows. And, accordingly, bankers' denunciations to the tax authorities of this country.
And now, in general, without exception, everyone began to demand this damned KYC.
It just pisses me off when it comes to payments in cryptocurrencies!

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Having more games but still the common ones would really be still useless specially on slots and it has nothing to do or making some add up more interest and attention.What we do need is to have a new unique game which we havent seen on the market before and this is where most gamblers been trying to look at.Sad to say that we are really having a saturated market if we do speak about gambling games which
most of sites now are offering the same thing all over again and again. We arent seeing new unique ones which we are really that interested to look for.

The majority of casinos have decided to let a third party to develop their games, and since the number of those developer companies is limited it is not surprising we are seeing the same games on different platforms.

However when a casino finds itself in a comfortable position and earning a lot of money there is little incentive to change, new casinos should be the ones offering all kind of new games, as if they are going to offer the same ones we can find at established casinos why bother making a deposit with them when we could get a better and more reliable experience with the top casinos?

That is the reason why in many casinos the games are always repeated, isn't there a casino that makes its own games? not that they should buy it from one supplier for all? If so, they should not have many games, but it would be something very original, I have done registration accounts in several casinos and I see that most of them are quite similar in their games, the slots are repeated in all the casinos, I do not see that there are differences that They can be appreciated, and that makes some like me get bored, that's why the classic games like poker, black jack, which are games that are easier to program and that are more entertaining.

I also don't have much issues with seeing repeated games on different casinos but no matter how similar this games might be, I think a casino needs to have a game that is most identified with their casino and by so doing, they would at some point stand out of the crowd but I also think that one of the major reasons why this casinos don't bother with creation of new games Is the fact that even with the ones they have, they are already counting some good and huge profits from them and there isn't any significant need or reason to start cracking up brains when they're already doing well in their comfort zone and away from that, I also think that if a new casino just pops out from the blues with entirely different games and things, it might be very difficult for them to scale through and with all this factors in mind, they just stick to what the people already know since it's still very profitable.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 18, 2023, 06:26:16 PM

or this reason the requirement of NO KYC becomes the main pillar of demand for players in casinos.

But if there is no KYC then how to solve the problem of money laundering? For money laundering, the casinos will be responsible if there is no KYC then it will be difficult to trace the user, as a result, all the responsibility will be upon the casino. And also there will be a question regarding the abuse of bonuses and so on.

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That's for sure, friends, because we will think long in advance and not rush when we are going to do something in this gambling industry, because after all, we use money here, and many even use large amounts of money, so being careful and always being vigilant is an important aspect which must be prioritized.
If mentioning novice gamblers who are careless in downloading scam applications to the point of losing some money is a good experience in the future it could happen but unfortunately novice gamblers never want to learn from what they have previously experienced, Unless they have a more developed mind then before receiving a bad experience they always anticipate that the bad experience will not happen to them.

What is certain is that accessing gambling through applications or websites must be more thorough and always research every step that will be determined, such as downloading an application or opening a casino website link.
Back to the main topic that something that must be added to a successful casino is not just an increase in casino applications, but gamblers want something different from other established casinos.
Such as giving contests to upper middle class gamblers and lower middle class gamblers and held separately with a sizable prize allocation.
Because so far I haven't met a casino that offers this type of contest and I'm sure if there is a casino that offers this kind of contest, it will definitely attract a lot of new gamblers to register at the casino.

Do you mean the casino holding a contest for their customers is like a tournament?
If indeed what you mean is tournaments with big enough prizes, then there are already several casinos that hold tournaments for their customers, such as poker tournaments and so on.
But to provide separately for middle and upper class gamblers and lower middle class gamblers held independently, I have never encountered it either.
Maybe the idea you conveyed is good enough that established casinos need to consider it to be able to provide satisfaction to all their customers, not just customers who have a lot of money.
That way small gamblers can also feel how exciting it is to compete with other gamblers to win sizable prizes.

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Some sort of profit sharing would be cool. If you could put up funds and earn interest from the casino’s activities then I think it would be one of the more stable sources of income that crypto could provide. I know a few casinos do offer similar things but they’re usually small casinos trying to get help with their bankroll. An established casino offering this would be very popular, although probably not necessary for them or really beneficial at all.

Yeah I was ever invest my money in casino bankroll, but since the casino was shutdown, I cash out all of my money and never try it on the other casino since it's not that profitable unlike the old casino I invested before. The casino which have profit sharing feature is charge for few percent as the fee if you withdraw your investment, this force you to invest until the profit exceed the fee which I think not good enough.

I remember that casinos used to offer the ability to invest on their bankroll for a small share of their profits, and while there were some experiments which proved that this could be a profitable strategy, at the same time I do not think it is a good idea to let anyone other than yourself to have full control over your coins.

Because as we have seen during the previous year, altcoins and exchanges that seemed to be incredibly solid can disappear in a matter of days.

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Quote from: OgNasty on March 18, 2023, 07:28:17 PM

Some sort of profit sharing would be cool. If you could put up funds and earn interest from the casino’s activities then I think it would be one of the more stable sources of income that crypto could provide. I know a few casinos do offer similar things but they’re usually small casinos trying to get help with their bankroll. An established casino offering this would be very popular, although probably not necessary for them or really beneficial at all.

You are right abd this can come in form of rake back on monthly bases with the players reaching some certain level in activities, that will help the casino to generate more revenue and at the same time give back to the player through his/Her activities on the casino.

-A few casino already have similar cash back which only VIP members on the casino is entitle to.

Cashback system is okay for a casinos but at least they need to allow almost every customers to be a partaker of it that making it to be for the VIP a lone. Even though I don't gamble too much I would prefer using a casino where I can easily get book games with many options especially for the sport bets so I can earn more.

it does not needed to be VIP to have returns, like Rakeback bonuses that some casino offers even in their new players(not totally new but already played and deposit/wager decent amount)

there are casinos that offers this and that differently from each others.

we must play only in casino we trusted and have played long time.

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Trustdice is already becoming a global name and I still love the fact that you are still getting to engage your customers in a satisfactory review which shows how much of respect you guys already have for your customers.
Irrespective of everything you've already over here, I want to advice that you always keep a very active customer support system as this is one of the best ways to retain a customer as there are people always ready to attend to them for every little challenge your customers might face while using your casino.
And you should also make your deposit and withdrawal processes very easy as well as the bonus reward redemption process very easy as this also will entice the customers.

Trusdice has been in the crypto gambling industry for a long time and so far I have not seen or read any complaints about this gambling platform.

And for anyone who is a gambler, if the support of a casino is active and provides immediate assistance to their clients, the gamblers will be really happy. It's difficult because a casino's response is slow to respond to their clients' inquiries or issues.

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