Topic: What happened to Lutpin? (Read 1440 times)

@Patatas

I think it might have happened once before, but I'm not sure about that. Anyway it's probably so long ago that I don't remember.
Yeah, I think I'm the 'oldest' participant in the CG campaign. They've paid me since 2016 at least, I think even since 2015, but the records don't go that far back



Yeah I definitely don't distrust CG or Lutpin. I've always known him to be a man of his word and he's generally very punctual as well.

He owed money to people who were doing a job of posting for a signature campaign that he manages. They are promoting a business in their signatures for a fixed rate. That's what we call a job. When you mow a lawn for your neighbor it's also a job. You don't need a written contract for that.


A job is a job, a contract job is a contract job.

IIRC, you're also one of the oldest participants of CG campaign right? How often has this happened in years? I've been here for more than a year and a half and Lutpin has never delayed payment once. This delay is completely understandable.

You wouldn't have the caliber to distrust them I'd say because they have been paying you since months!

Who he owes money? Since when participating in a campaign became a personal monetary affair? He's not entitled to post on the forum just because some signature participants are desperate enough for their share of the money.

That's like you're forcing him to post regardless of the situations he is in. When would you small minded fucks will understand that signature campaign is not your permanent job that you're hired on a contract?

I wonder why this thread still going, Lutpin paid participants at least the ones in 777coin and I believe in all others campaign that he is managing. He even said that is looking to change manager for 777 coin campaign and is in talk with lightlord for this. I can't really understand this unprecedented hate against a member that has given so much to the community during his stay here ? It seems jealousy is the main word of this forum from quite some time now.

I have a similar opinion. It's understandable that you can be busy with life and unable to count posts and manage the campaign, but if you have access to the forum writing a short message to people who you owe money shouldn't cause a problem.


But it's still you logging in, choosing bitcointalk from your tabs, or writing the name in a browser and confirming your password.  It doesn't happen in the background while you're sleeping, or lying in a hospital bed with broken arms.

A couple of weeks ago payment was later than usual as well. Should have been paid on Saturday, but was eventually paid the next Monday.
This for two weeks in a row.

Nobody really noticed because we (the participants) didn't complain. I just figured that there might have been some problem, but I was sure that it would be fixed in time.

It was in the beginning of November when this happened btw.



Edit:

Just wanted to add that from then on, everything was paid in time. I personally have no reason to distrust Lutpin or Crypto-games.

If you can log in (and sometimes even post) you can certainly post an update as well, here and there.

Not really, no. This is you making conslusions based on putting yourself in this scenario. I log in without 'remembering' or even knowing my password for example.

Not necessarily, no.

It means something.

• got access to his account
• got Internet
• is mentally fit to remember passwords so probably could write a post
• has time to log in and out

Interesting it seems like Lutpin is only having trouble to campaigns he is managing where he also handles the payments for it but it seems like his other campaign, Crypto-Games, is receiving the all their recent payments smoothly as DogeMachine is the one processing the payments for the campaign. He might be having some trouble on managing the campaigns he is also managing the payments. But on his latest post he announced that he will be handing over the management of the campaign to another campaign manager, I just hope that the participants will receive all their back pay.

Logging in is trivial and means nothing. It doesn't mean that someone is actually reading anything or available at that time.

It's odd that he doesn't want to share because he has a very good reputation?

Yeah, I don't know about that.  Human beings are not computers, though a lot of them rely on emotion far too much when making decisions.  Logic ought to rule the vast majority of our decisions, but it's extremely hard to keep emotion out of everything.  Whatever problem Lutpin is having in real life is probably, my guess is, causing him some negative emotions and is also causing him to act out of character by not paying campaign participants on time.

Both of these things are true, which is why I left him negative feedback.  His recent actions were pretty much a textbook case of a lack of trustworthiness.  It's not like him to act like he did, but the truth is that he did screw a lot of people over.

Well, when Bill Clinton got the blowjob treatment from Madame Lewinski, everyone in the world was focusing on his reputation and ability to continue running the United States.  I never heard a peep about him not picking up the tab for the dry cleaning of her cocktail dress.

Also, I haven't kept up with every aspect of this drama to date.  Have the campaign participants of all of Lutpin's campaigns been paid, or only some of them?  I think he paid 777Coin and Bitvest but I don't know what other pies he had his fingers in.  Lightlord certainly shares some responsibility in this debacle, too.

True. Its just an odd situation to find a member who has a very good reputation such as Lutpin to not be outspoken about this situation. There's obviously a reason behind this. But that reason really isn't clear at the moment. I'm trying to think what situation would actually make this logical but honestly your right in that they simply have to drop a message.

Even if they are having personal issues if they are logging in regularly they could be very vague about the situation and not actually share their personal issues but just say things are delayed or they are busy at the moment or whatever.

I don't know its just a odd situation.

And why the fuck are you posting from a newbie alt-account? Grow a pair of balls and ask the same questions from your original account.

He have personal problems for sure.
It is personal problem just like his new red glow that is also his personal problem.
Their isn't room on the internet for feelings only logic.
This person didn't do what they said they were going to do and that is the end of the story.
This person caused a lot of people a lot of stress in this situation and just because they eventually paid does not make justice.
If this person wanted to make justice and truly repent for their misdoings they would dig into their own pocket and give 10% per week compounding standard rate backpay to all harmed to make up for their mistake to make up for the harm they caused these people and the community as a whole.
You are sending a message that the best you have to offer is sub-par.

This harms all of you especially the most trusted of you.
The most trusted managers of the most acceptable common gigs still fuck you over and offer no reimbursement, and you squabble over his reputation as if it is the best the community can offer including his misdeeds. It destroys everyone's legitimacy and increasingly so when you make excuses for him.

What happened to lutpin?
What happened to mesmer?

It's very possible that he have personal problems. But he is loging in to Bitcointalk very often, is it so difficult to drop an message and say that payments will be delayed or that he can't make payments currently due to some problems. People would understand him and would have more patience before starting to accuse him.

At the end of the day we don't know what other people are going through. From looking at his general inactivity and attitude hes having some personal trouble and is looking to transfer the campaign. Obviously this is an assumption and I don't mean any offense to Lutpin if that isn't the case but I just find this sort of out of character and people need to be a little more forgiving sometimes.

AFAIK all payments have now been sent?

Sorry if I missunderstood your post. I just thought that you didn't saw that post of him, I'm not trying to justify Lutpin actions. Yeah, he came back without an apology, like nothing didn't happened. Wouldn't be surprised if such long payment delays will continue. It's shameful to see DT member with good reputation behaving like Lutpin in recent months.

And you missed the point of my post and this thread.
I was talking about the time before he came back. About those weeks when he was ignoring people and not paying them (before november 27) and he was logging in and not posting anything. I also didn't see anything close to "I'm sorry" in his post.

Is he actually getting filmed while he's fucking over campaign participants?