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February 09, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
#71
I already add a ~ in front of his name, but he is still on the DT list. Does this mean no one else did it, otherwise he would be already removed?
For each DT1 inclusion, you need two exclusions to get him out of the network. If you add a '~', that does nothing for anyone besides yourself and people who use a custom trust list (and have you in it). I don't see why the user should be removed from DT (yet).
He took a loan and submerged since 6 months. If this is default trust for you, then this is also fine for me. Smiley

I only feel a little bit bothered if attackers refer to the negative feedback of a submerged loan scammer, especially as his false feedback is disproven since a long time.
legendary
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February 09, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
#70
I already add a ~ in front of his name, but he is still on the DT list. Does this mean no one else did it, otherwise he would be already removed?
For each DT1 inclusion, you need two exclusions to get him out of the network. If you add a '~', that does nothing for anyone besides yourself and people who use a custom trust list (and have you in it). I don't see why the user should be removed from DT (yet).

Apparently I should have been more clear. Two DT1 members would need to add a '~'. Not just any two people, otherwise you would have just made two newbies, added two '~'s and his true ratings mean nothing. Getting two DT1 members to agree to this is what I was saying would be difficult.
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February 09, 2017, 04:36:13 AM
#69
I already add a ~ in front of his name, but he is still on the DT list. Does this mean no one else did it, otherwise he would be already removed?
For each DT1 inclusion, you need two exclusions to get him out of the network. If you add a '~', that does nothing for anyone besides yourself and people who use a custom trust list (and have you in it). I don't see why the user should be removed from DT (yet).
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February 09, 2017, 02:20:41 AM
#68
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
He also left me an invalid feedback and people still refer to his -2 negative feedback nonsense. Time to remove this loan scammer from the DT list.
I do not believe that xetsr is a scammer, although something appears to have happened that resulted in him defaulting on a loan to zazarb. I don't disagree with the vast majority of his ratings, including those against you.
legendary
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February 09, 2017, 02:15:38 AM
#67
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
He also left me an invalid feedback and people still refer to his -2 negative feedback nonsense. Time to remove this loan scammer from the DT list.

No one just gets 'removed' either two people add a ~ in front of his name to their trust list or he is removed from the trust list he is currently on. You could always PM whoever the DT1 person is that has him on their trust list but if they really trust him then they probably won't be removing it. Who knows though, maybe they just never saw this thread or looked at his trust recently.
I already add a ~ in front of his name, but he is still on the DT list. Does this mean no one else did it, otherwise he would be already removed?


By putting a tilde (~) you are just editing trust list of yours. To get him removed you need to PM DT1 member who put him on the default trust list.

Xetsr is in Tomatocage's trust list.
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February 08, 2017, 09:20:24 PM
#66
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
He also left me an invalid feedback and people still refer to his -2 negative feedback nonsense. Time to remove this loan scammer from the DT list.

No one just gets 'removed' either two people add a ~ in front of his name to their trust list or he is removed from the trust list he is currently on. You could always PM whoever the DT1 person is that has him on their trust list but if they really trust him then they probably won't be removing it. Who knows though, maybe they just never saw this thread or looked at his trust recently.
I already add a ~ in front of his name, but he is still on the DT list. Does this mean no one else did it, otherwise he would be already removed?
legendary
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February 08, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
#65
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
He also left me an invalid feedback and people still refer to his -2 negative feedback nonsense. Time to remove this loan scammer from the DT list.

No one just gets 'removed' either two people add a ~ in front of his name to their trust list or he is removed from the trust list he is currently on. You could always PM whoever the DT1 person is that has him on their trust list but if they really trust him then they probably won't be removing it. Who knows though, maybe they just never saw this thread or looked at his trust recently.
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February 06, 2017, 04:46:58 PM
#64
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
He also left me an invalid feedback and people still refer to his -2 negative feedback nonsense. Time to remove this loan scammer from the DT list.
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Have a mining rig
February 04, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
#63
lol he left me an invalid natural feedback and i sent him like 5 pms3 month ago and no answer he may be died  Grin
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January 08, 2017, 08:12:36 AM
#62
The complainant could compel the owners and operators of BitCoinTalk.org to hand over personal details of any UID they required to enable them to then serve papers.

IP / email / "real" name that sort of thing.

oh shut up as anyone is using real IP on hrere.  Investigation can take money an time,  get a life, Vod

But quickseller, have you forgotten what alt you're currently logged in as?  http://archive.is/MhTUg#selection-2095.0-2133.103
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January 08, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
#61
The complainant could compel the owners and operators of BitCoinTalk.org to hand over personal details of any UID they required to enable them to then serve papers.

IP / email / "real" name that sort of thing.

oh shut up as anyone is using real IP on hrere.  Investigation can take money an time,  get a life, Vod
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January 04, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
#60
The complainant could compel the owners and operators of BitCoinTalk.org to hand over personal details of any UID they required to enable them to then serve papers.

IP / email / "real" name that sort of thing.
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January 04, 2017, 12:56:15 PM
#59
I will discuss in terms of US law as this is the jurisdiction that xetsr is under.

If xetsr takes out a signature loan then xetsr owes the lender the amount of the loan plus interest (and other fees depending on the terms of the loan -- this will usually include collection fees/costs). If xetsr fails to pay the loan, then the lender can report xetsr negatively to the credit bureau (which is essentially what zazarb has done by reporting xetsr in this thread), and take xetsr to court to ask the court to issue a judgement in the amount of the unpaid portion of the loan plus interest, and if the judgement is granted, the court can forcefully take xetsr's property that is subject to the court's jurisdiction if property of sufficient value exists with certain limits.

If taking xetsr to court over the loan is not something the lender is willing to do (due to cost issues, or any other reason), then the only remedies of the lender are to ask xetsr to pay (which xetsr can stop via a cease and desist request -- which is not really a "request"), and report xetsr negatively to the credit bureau. If the negative reporting to the credit bureau is not sufficient to get xetsr to pay, then there is nothing else to force xetsr to pay the lender.

Xetsr is based in the US, and European courts would not have jurisdiction over him, so EU laws would not apply to him, but US law would.
If it was an anonymous credit, I have no idea how you could prove that US laws are applicable?
How would a European court get jurisdiction over xetsr if he is not located in Europe, and has never been to Europe?
I did not say that a European court would have jurisdiction over xetsr. My point is I find it strange that someone who would have committed a criminal offense by European law, is still on the DT list. I also did not know that it was a signature loan.

And if the loan was given anonymously, then you will likely have no success with civil court proceedings. Because in civil court proceedings you need to deliver the proof. You can hardly sue a forum account name in civil courts.
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January 04, 2017, 01:27:31 AM
#58
Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.
No you don't lol. Have you ever heard of the FDCPA?
No, I am in Europe. Did xetsr took the loan based on US laws?

O.k., let us consider it as trustworthy to escape while owing a loan. Sun is moon and war is peace  Wink
I would assume that there are regulations in Europe allowing for borrowers to send a cease and desist letter considering how liberal Europe is (maybe you can quote European debt collection laws that refute this if you disagree).
Under which conditions you can cease the credit, depend on the conditions of the credit contract. If you do not request a private bankruptcy proceeding, then you have to pay the credit back + penalty charges.
I will discuss in terms of US law as this is the jurisdiction that xetsr is under.

If xetsr takes out a signature loan then xetsr owes the lender the amount of the loan plus interest (and other fees depending on the terms of the loan -- this will usually include collection fees/costs). If xetsr fails to pay the loan, then the lender can report xetsr negatively to the credit bureau (which is essentially what zazarb has done by reporting xetsr in this thread), and take xetsr to court to ask the court to issue a judgement in the amount of the unpaid portion of the loan plus interest, and if the judgement is granted, the court can forcefully take xetsr's property that is subject to the court's jurisdiction if property of sufficient value exists with certain limits.

If taking xetsr to court over the loan is not something the lender is willing to do (due to cost issues, or any other reason), then the only remedies of the lender are to ask xetsr to pay (which xetsr can stop via a cease and desist request -- which is not really a "request"), and report xetsr negatively to the credit bureau. If the negative reporting to the credit bureau is not sufficient to get xetsr to pay, then there is nothing else to force xetsr to pay the lender.

Xetsr is based in the US, and European courts would not have jurisdiction over him, so EU laws would not apply to him, but US law would.
If it was an anonymous credit, I have no idea how you could prove that US laws are applicable?
How would a European court get jurisdiction over xetsr if he is not located in Europe, and has never been to Europe?
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January 03, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
#57
Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.
No you don't lol. Have you ever heard of the FDCPA?
No, I am in Europe. Did xetsr took the loan based on US laws?

O.k., let us consider it as trustworthy to escape while owing a loan. Sun is moon and war is peace  Wink
I would assume that there are regulations in Europe allowing for borrowers to send a cease and desist letter considering how liberal Europe is (maybe you can quote European debt collection laws that refute this if you disagree).
Under which conditions you can cease the credit, depend on the conditions of the credit contract. If you do not request a private bankruptcy proceeding, then you have to pay the credit back + penalty charges.


Xetsr is based in the US, and European courts would not have jurisdiction over him, so EU laws would not apply to him, but US law would.
If it was an anonymous credit, I have no idea how you could prove that US laws are applicable?


I did not say that xetsr not paying his loan is trustworthy, I said that it is not criminal.
"O.k., let us consider it as trustworthy to escape while owing a loan. Sun is moon and war is peace  Wink" was a general sarcastic suggestion, after you declined credit fraud as a criminal offense.
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January 03, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
#56
Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.
No you don't lol. Have you ever heard of the FDCPA?
No, I am in Europe. Did xetsr took the loan based on US laws?

O.k., let us consider it as trustworthy to escape while owing a loan. Sun is moon and war is peace  Wink
I would assume that there are regulations in Europe allowing for borrowers to send a cease and desist letter considering how liberal Europe is (maybe you can quote European debt collection laws that refute this if you disagree).

Xetsr is based in the US, and European courts would not have jurisdiction over him, so EU laws would not apply to him, but US law would.

I did not say that xetsr not paying his loan is trustworthy, I said that it is not criminal. 
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January 03, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
#55
Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.
No you don't lol. Have you ever heard of the FDCPA?
Xetsr took the loan based on US laws?

O.k., let us consider it as trustworthy to escape while owing a loan. Sun is moon and war is peace  Wink

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January 03, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
#54
Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.
No you don't lol. Have you ever heard of the FDCPA?
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January 03, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
#53
In other words, if someone gave presumably enough accurate trust ratings, he is allowed to commit criminal offenses himself and is still a trusted member of this community? Credit fraud is clearly a criminal offense, as you have at least to stay in contact with the creditor.

While I personally do not care about this "trust" system, I can inform that xetsr gave me a proved inaccurate "trust" rating. The funny part is that haters claim I would be untrustworthy because of the feedback of "trusted" members on the DT list, aka xetsr!
legendary
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January 03, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
#52
^^^Not unless multiple accounts within the DT network has already tagged them.
True, however currently this is not the case:

Taken from xetsr's trust page viewed at DT2.
This also does not take into accounts tagged by him that had positive trust originally; leaving them with a score other than -2: -1 / +0 or other such exceptions.

If another DT member took the time to go through, verify and duplicate each of these I doubt there would be any scruples with removing him from the DT network. However, considering no action is being taken against him currently, that would simply be wasted effort.
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