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legendary
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September 06, 2017, 04:53:03 PM
#72
Well once we hit that milestone, miners won't have much to gain so probably we'll see a big bom on the transaction fee and that will probably make people leave bitcoin for other cryptocurrencies. But hey we still have a long way to go (probably +20 years) and I sure know that bitcoin is unpredicatable and it has always amazed me so let's hope for the best.

Miners are the ones that get the fees. The assumption is, especially now with larger blocks, is that if the system actually lasts til this point, it should be a given that adoption scaled with it. The fees at this point should surpass the proportionate share of block rewards. We will also assume it should be much, much cheaper to mine in general, as the mining technology should be hyper efficient by this point as well.
sr. member
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September 06, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
#71
I suppose that Bitcoin will become a kind of gold bullion for individuals with much higher price than now as well as the blockchain technology will transform into Fort Knox. If seriously, I think there are too many possible options and we cannot predict the exact one.

I actually hold with the new guy here Smiley Cryptos are now a feature, so I don't expect us to be using bitcoin like a Fiat into the far future. Something bigger and better will certainly come along, that encompasses the best of bitcoin and the best of fiat. What I see for long term BTC is; the trust in the protocol grows to a level where people equate bitcoin with 'digital gold'. When I say good, I am trying to evoke the trust that gold has garnered over the ages. For the trader, the liquidity of bitcoin is vastly superior to gold, I can see the 20k plus valuations actually making sense at that point. Bitcoin may even become a collector's item, given the scarcity.
But what can be better than what we have? What characteristics do you think fiat has that are better than bitcoin? The only one that comes to mind may be the fees and the speed of transaction but that is going to be solved with the current improvements on the network, after that the only thing that bitcoin will be missing will be the backing of countries as their local currency but even that could change in the future.
I don't think there's a need to make it as a back-up for regular currencies. Btc alone have features that cn be a great help for us, it's not impossible that it will reach its total supply, maybe at time , btc features will fully accessible and accepted by many as a cryptocurrency.
legendary
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September 06, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
#70
I suppose that Bitcoin will become a kind of gold bullion for individuals with much higher price than now as well as the blockchain technology will transform into Fort Knox. If seriously, I think there are too many possible options and we cannot predict the exact one.

I actually hold with the new guy here Smiley Cryptos are now a feature, so I don't expect us to be using bitcoin like a Fiat into the far future. Something bigger and better will certainly come along, that encompasses the best of bitcoin and the best of fiat. What I see for long term BTC is; the trust in the protocol grows to a level where people equate bitcoin with 'digital gold'. When I say good, I am trying to evoke the trust that gold has garnered over the ages. For the trader, the liquidity of bitcoin is vastly superior to gold, I can see the 20k plus valuations actually making sense at that point. Bitcoin may even become a collector's item, given the scarcity.
But what can be better than what we have? What characteristics do you think fiat has that are better than bitcoin? The only one that comes to mind may be the fees and the speed of transaction but that is going to be solved with the current improvements on the network, after that the only thing that bitcoin will be missing will be the backing of countries as their local currency but even that could change in the future.
full member
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September 04, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
#69
Well based on previous actions, there will be a hard fork, and the limit will be raised to 50 million. Blocksize will be increased so that people can include the lord's prayer in their transactions.
I thought the limit will not be raised or changes, it will just be 21 million and no more actions will happen to it, does the developers already announced or does the developers already faced this concerns?
full member
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September 04, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
#68
Well once we hit that milestone, miners won't have much to gain so probably we'll see a big bom on the transaction fee and that will probably make people leave bitcoin for other cryptocurrencies. But hey we still have a long way to go (probably +20 years) and I sure know that bitcoin is unpredicatable and it has always amazed me so let's hope for the best.
full member
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September 04, 2017, 06:52:50 PM
#67
For me. It will take five years for new miners to exploit 21 million Bitcoins and if that happens the Cryptocurrency market will be volatile as everyone wants to own 1BTC and the price will go up and the Bitcoin market will surely will be the focus at that time

It seems so, it took several years to get that much Bitcoin for a junior couldn't seem to do it in 1 year.
newbie
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September 04, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
#66
This morning I was talking about this with a buddy of mine.

Right now we have miners all over the world trying to solve this exponentially hard algorithm to earn their bitcoins. That is their incentive and that is what drives them to do so.

What happens when we remove that incentive to "mine" aka "verify transactions" on the blockchain? What I'm basically asking is what happens when we hit 21,000,000 bitcoins from the perspective of the miners?
Still same... but the bitcoin that will be in the miner is not from the production of the specified bitcoin but from the fee incurred when we send bitcoin, just think, Bitcoin yesterday just did segwit. yup ... the increasing year Bitcoin might not like this course, would be much of an upgrade and will be a lot of innovation in Bitcoin to make Bitcoin as a finished product and ready to get into the mainstream in payment system like sathosi goal in making bitcoin. remember .. every problem there will be a solution.
sr. member
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September 04, 2017, 06:36:01 PM
#65
For me. It will take five years for new miners to exploit 21 million Bitcoins and if that happens the Cryptocurrency market will be volatile as everyone wants to own 1BTC and the price will go up and the Bitcoin market will surely will be the focus at that time
hero member
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September 04, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
#64
This morning I was talking about this with a buddy of mine.

Right now we have miners all over the world trying to solve this exponentially hard algorithm to earn their bitcoins. That is their incentive and that is what drives them to do so.

What happens when we remove that incentive to "mine" aka "verify transactions" on the blockchain? What I'm basically asking is what happens when we hit 21,000,000 bitcoins from the perspective of the miners?

Then there are no more block rewards for the miners. Regardless even if the last block of Bitcoin is already mined, miners will continue to mine for the purpose of processing Bitcoin transactions. So if we are going to look in the aspect of profitability, then miners will only rely on transaction fees. We won't be seeing this, it will happen after more than a hundred years from now (I do not know the exact digits Tongue). That is if Bitcoin will still exist on that point, though.

But if the miners will just rely on transaction fee of course this will not be enough for them versus in what their getting in block rewards as a result of this, over time miners will not be interested to this and will quit. The lesser the miners ther slower will be the confirmation of transaction.
full member
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September 04, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
#63
This morning I was talking about this with a buddy of mine.

Right now we have miners all over the world trying to solve this exponentially hard algorithm to earn their bitcoins. That is their incentive and that is what drives them to do so.

What happens when we remove that incentive to "mine" aka "verify transactions" on the blockchain? What I'm basically asking is what happens when we hit 21,000,000 bitcoins from the perspective of the miners?

Then there are no more block rewards for the miners. Regardless even if the last block of Bitcoin is already mined, miners will continue to mine for the purpose of processing Bitcoin transactions. So if we are going to look in the aspect of profitability, then miners will only rely on transaction fees. We won't be seeing this, it will happen after more than a hundred years from now (I do not know the exact digits Tongue). That is if Bitcoin will still exist on that point, though.
hero member
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September 04, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
#62
For me. The price of Bitcoin will increase dramatically at that moment because if you want to buy Bitcoin you will surely have a lot of difficulties because Bitcoin will cost more than $ 100,000, so keeping Bitcoin at this moment is very important.
If I am not wrong, hitting 21 millions bitcoins mean there are no BTCs left to be mined out and now it becomes personal asset of people. It will totally depend on the owners whether they use satoshis in services (surely there will be more of them accepting BTCs by then) or keep it like gold.
sr. member
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September 03, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
#61
We'll be all dead when 21,000,000 bitcoin is mined, jokes aside  Grin. Miners will get paid by transactions fees.
I reckon even before 21,000,000 bitcoin is mined, bitcoin difficulty is going to drop drastically assuming the price of bitcoin doesn't inflate too much. Bitcoin miners are going to switch to other more profitable coins.
member
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September 03, 2017, 10:09:39 AM
#60
thats the end of bitcoin generated, so the price will go up
full member
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September 03, 2017, 10:07:40 AM
#59
If all 21,000,000 bitcoins are mined, its value, I think, will increase due to the fact that it will Ьbe used mainly as a means of accumulation, like digital gold.
sr. member
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September 03, 2017, 05:25:16 AM
#58
For me. The price of Bitcoin will increase dramatically at that moment because if you want to buy Bitcoin you will surely have a lot of difficulties because Bitcoin will cost more than $ 100,000, so keeping Bitcoin at this moment is very important.
full member
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September 03, 2017, 05:03:58 AM
#57
The fact, that the miners will still mine for transaction fees is indeed interesting. This might mean, that the price goes even higher, if this should remain profitable for the miners. I wonder, if the overall hashing power drops in favor for other altcoins, or if it keeps improving. Is there any estimated date for the last block to be mined?
full member
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September 03, 2017, 04:21:30 AM
#56
no problem, bitcoin stock is enough for worldwide transactions, the price of 1 btc is currently around $ 4600 and if all is done mined then the price will reach 1 satoshi = $ 1.

I don't think so. When all those btc are mined, you can't assume that Miners that are solving heavy algorithms will be willing to work with no sure reward? Working for transaction fees? The transaction fee could affect the user for they have to pay for it mandatory. Where in other altcoins you don't have to.

If there are less miners, the transaction will be as slow as you can imagine. Also this will affect the users, they might switch to other alternative coins for fast transactions. So in this scenario, less demand, low price.
hero member
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September 02, 2017, 01:17:12 AM
#55
If bitcoin will be mined all of them then the miners will be just getting profits from confirming the different transactions because the miners are the only one who can validate transactions and they can still get profit via bitcoin by doing that. Miners will never leave bitcoin because the fees from transactions is the key to stay in profitable business.
How can I skip this point? Thank you so much. Your comment has actually solved one of my puzzles. You are very right. Everything will be the same as it is now. Bitcoins will be still around and the only thing that will change will be the sellers. Otherwise, the picture remains the same even after interval and I am happy with that.
Exactly I have same confusion in my mind about this. What make the bitcoins more important and famous are the sellers. Bitcoins are increasing and they will continue going up all the times with intervals. Sellers will be the reason behind the change in crypto world.
sr. member
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no problem, bitcoin stock is enough for worldwide transactions, the price of 1 btc is currently around $ 4600 and if all is done mined then the price will reach 1 satoshi = $ 1.
sr. member
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I think nothing happen if The Bitcoin alogarithm breaks till 21.000.000 Bitcoin , because another coins still waiting to mine , like Ethereum , Litecoin , Dash , and many other of them , this is my opini ,
I ever think , whether miner will continue to mine if Bitcoin mining product touches 21 million Bitcoin ..
This will give a big impact on the bitcoin. Yes the demand is increase and another coins will be release for sure. But still there are many users in bitcoin when that arrives.
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