Topic: What if bounty Manager very arrogant? (Read 719 times)
You are absolutely right, many people do not read the rules.
You should try to look at it from the bounty manager's perspective. I know that everyone wants immediate attention, no delays in stake counting or any errors, but when you have in your hands a campaign with thousands of participants it's virtually impossible to attend everyone in a timely manner AND keep the work up to date. A very big percentage of the requests come from people who didn't read the rules and then are demanding that you:
- change their ETH wallet (when it's specified in the rules that it won't be done)
- count stakes that were reported after the limit date (with the most bizarre excuses)
- have their stakes counted the next day to the cut-off and remind you every day that you are late
- give them stakes for low-quality articles that bring no value
- change your system because they know better how to do it
- tell them when they will be paid (when this is something that is generally not in the hands of the bounty manager)
- etc.
Of course it's important to communicate properly with the participants but at a certain point the pressure becomes really high and if you want to have the work done in time you need to prioritize some tasks above others, and it is inevitable that some people will feel unattended. But think about this: what matters is the final result, at the end everyone (the customer, the bounty manager and the bounty hunter) has the same goal. When the campaign ends and everyone is happy with their tokens you can look back and realize that in most cases there was not really a reason to become angry
- change their ETH wallet (when it's specified in the rules that it won't be done)
- count stakes that were reported after the limit date (with the most bizarre excuses)
- have their stakes counted the next day to the cut-off and remind you every day that you are late
- give them stakes for low-quality articles that bring no value
- change your system because they know better how to do it
- tell them when they will be paid (when this is something that is generally not in the hands of the bounty manager)
- etc.
Of course it's important to communicate properly with the participants but at a certain point the pressure becomes really high and if you want to have the work done in time you need to prioritize some tasks above others, and it is inevitable that some people will feel unattended. But think about this: what matters is the final result, at the end everyone (the customer, the bounty manager and the bounty hunter) has the same goal. When the campaign ends and everyone is happy with their tokens you can look back and realize that in most cases there was not really a reason to become angry
This is all true and I understand bounty managers point of view but they should never forget to be polite and calm using thank you and please words when answer participants questions. That is what I miss and find not professional. Like you said there is a lot of just stupid questions from people because they don't read or understand rules but still manager should act in a proper way and never lose his temper.
A few months ago I was involved in a situation like this: I saw a bounty campaign and was not clear if they are still let people participate. So I sent a PM to bounty manager asking him if I am eligible to join. He answered, "Yes, of course, you can join." So I joined and posted my sign up in bounty thread like asked in rules. After few weeks of promotion on Facebook, Twitter and signature bounty I wanted to check my status and I was not in the spreadsheet. I contacted manager and he said that I have participated when they don't accept new members anymore. Of course, I replied with the PM screen inviting me to join. Bounty manager started to be rude and threaten me that he will ban me from all future campaigns (which he did and I am banned now) and never paid me a dime even if I was calm as always and very polite when talking to him. I tried to find help by the project team of developers reaching to them with my case via Telegram. Of course, I was banned after few questions with no answer.
Bounty hunters in a situation like mine literally can do nothing. The only person who can help you is your bounty manager and he is personally involved and against you. If he accepts your complaint he has to admit that he made a mistake and some people just hate this. They begin to be rude and fight with you like you where the biggest enemy. They do all they can to hide their mistake, misinterpret facts and use all their power in an abusive way against you.
In my case bounty manager said that this is my fault that in PM to him I haven't said exactly which campaign I will join.
I didn't know that he manages few campaigns at the same time. Why and how the hell should I know this? He should ask which campaign I will join, I think. From my point of few answering "Yes, of course, you can join" he invited me to all campaigns he is managing.
Anyways he won and I am now banned from all future campaigns managed by him. Can you believe this?
Complaints and cases like mine are all over the forum lately. I see often not professional behavior and bounty managers acting like a Gods. Bounty hunters are just left alone and there is no entity to reach for help here on the forum. Which is bad and there should be somebody or thread where bad bounty managers could be reported and checked by independent high rank and trusted forum users.
I have saved all PM's and posts from my case and waiting when I finally can find my justice.
You should try to look at it from the bounty manager's perspective. I know that everyone wants immediate attention, no delays in stake counting or any errors, but when you have in your hands a campaign with thousands of participants it's virtually impossible to attend everyone in a timely manner AND keep the work up to date. A very big percentage of the requests come from people who didn't read the rules and then are demanding that you:
- change their ETH wallet (when it's specified in the rules that it won't be done)
- count stakes that were reported after the limit date (with the most bizarre excuses)
- have their stakes counted the next day to the cut-off and remind you every day that you are late
- give them stakes for low-quality articles that bring no value
- change your system because they know better how to do it
- tell them when they will be paid (when this is something that is generally not in the hands of the bounty manager)
- etc.
Of course it's important to communicate properly with the participants but at a certain point the pressure becomes really high and if you want to have the work done in time you need to prioritize some tasks above others, and it is inevitable that some people will feel unattended. But think about this: what matters is the final result, at the end everyone (the customer, the bounty manager and the bounty hunter) has the same goal. When the campaign ends and everyone is happy with their tokens you can look back and realize that in most cases there was not really a reason to become angry
- change their ETH wallet (when it's specified in the rules that it won't be done)
- count stakes that were reported after the limit date (with the most bizarre excuses)
- have their stakes counted the next day to the cut-off and remind you every day that you are late
- give them stakes for low-quality articles that bring no value
- change your system because they know better how to do it
- tell them when they will be paid (when this is something that is generally not in the hands of the bounty manager)
- etc.
Of course it's important to communicate properly with the participants but at a certain point the pressure becomes really high and if you want to have the work done in time you need to prioritize some tasks above others, and it is inevitable that some people will feel unattended. But think about this: what matters is the final result, at the end everyone (the customer, the bounty manager and the bounty hunter) has the same goal. When the campaign ends and everyone is happy with their tokens you can look back and realize that in most cases there was not really a reason to become angry
Finally, I see a thread about bad bounty managers.
For a while, I thought that I am the only one experiencing problems with them. Last 6 months there were hundreds of ICO running bounty campaigns on BTT and they hired just a random people with no skills needed for this job.
In begin of ICO's only high rank and reputable members could apply for moderator. Now I see junior members or even newbie accounts as a moderator.
I had lately problems with rude and lying moderator and when I was searching for help like OP by the ICO team they banned me from all Telegram groups and all future bounty campaigns. Could you believe it?
Of course, I did nothing wrong I just asked questions about delayed bounty distribution.
This is wild west what is happening with bounty campaigns. Old times when the bounty was well managed and paid in time are gone. My last 4 bounty campaigns in a row are not paid until today. Despite is 6 months after the first one and that was Atlant (they will pay my bounty each month for 18 months, just insane, announced the last week). Another one Envion not paid at all despite they told before bounty that they will pay after 2 weeks. Last one Hdac still not paid and in rules, they stated one month for payout.
I don't know OP if fighting with this unprofessional manager will be good for you in the end. But I understand that you are angry and willing justice I felt this way too. Still, when I think about this I am angry as hell.
There should be somebody or a thread where we could report bad managers and somebody from BTT team act like a judge to help us. Because we are left alone with no way to defend ourselves in such a situation.
Heed the warnings signs. Don't invest into their ICO, coin whatever and warn others about it. Only join bounties which are either run by trustworthy people or ones which you believe have a good approach. Really though if you want to have no head aches your just going to have to join ones which are run by reputable members. For a while, I thought that I am the only one experiencing problems with them. Last 6 months there were hundreds of ICO running bounty campaigns on BTT and they hired just a random people with no skills needed for this job.
In begin of ICO's only high rank and reputable members could apply for moderator. Now I see junior members or even newbie accounts as a moderator.
I had lately problems with rude and lying moderator and when I was searching for help like OP by the ICO team they banned me from all Telegram groups and all future bounty campaigns. Could you believe it?
Of course, I did nothing wrong I just asked questions about delayed bounty distribution.
This is wild west what is happening with bounty campaigns. Old times when the bounty was well managed and paid in time are gone. My last 4 bounty campaigns in a row are not paid until today. Despite is 6 months after the first one and that was Atlant (they will pay my bounty each month for 18 months, just insane, announced the last week). Another one Envion not paid at all despite they told before bounty that they will pay after 2 weeks. Last one Hdac still not paid and in rules, they stated one month for payout.
I don't know OP if fighting with this unprofessional manager will be good for you in the end. But I understand that you are angry and willing justice I felt this way too. Still, when I think about this I am angry as hell.
There should be somebody or a thread where we could report bad managers and somebody from BTT team act like a judge to help us. Because we are left alone with no way to defend ourselves in such a situation.
Finally, I see a thread about bad bounty managers.
For a while, I thought that I am the only one experiencing problems with them. Last 6 months there were hundreds of ICO running bounty campaigns on BTT and they hired just a random people with no skills needed for this job.
In begin of ICO's only high rank and reputable members could apply for bounty manager. Now I see junior members or even newbie accounts as a manager.
I had lately problems with a rude and lying manager and when I was searching for help like OP by the ICO team they banned me from all Telegram groups and all future bounty campaigns. Could you believe it?
Of course, I did nothing wrong I just asked questions about delayed bounty distribution.
This is wild west what is happening with bounty campaigns. Old times when the bounty was well managed and paid in time are gone. My last 4 bounty campaigns in a row are not paid until today. Despite is 6 months after the first one and that was Atlant (they will pay my bounty each month for 18 months, just insane, announced the last week). Another one Envion not paid at all despite they told before bounty that they will pay after 2 weeks. Last one Hdac still not paid and in rules, they stated one month for payout.
I don't know OP if fighting with this unprofessional manager will be good for you in the end. But I understand that you are angry and willing justice I felt this way too. Still, when I think about this I am angry as hell.
There should be somebody or a thread where we could report bad managers and somebody from BTT team act like a judge to help us. Because we are left alone with no way to defend ourselves in such a situation.
For a while, I thought that I am the only one experiencing problems with them. Last 6 months there were hundreds of ICO running bounty campaigns on BTT and they hired just a random people with no skills needed for this job.
In begin of ICO's only high rank and reputable members could apply for bounty manager. Now I see junior members or even newbie accounts as a manager.
I had lately problems with a rude and lying manager and when I was searching for help like OP by the ICO team they banned me from all Telegram groups and all future bounty campaigns. Could you believe it?
Of course, I did nothing wrong I just asked questions about delayed bounty distribution.
This is wild west what is happening with bounty campaigns. Old times when the bounty was well managed and paid in time are gone. My last 4 bounty campaigns in a row are not paid until today. Despite is 6 months after the first one and that was Atlant (they will pay my bounty each month for 18 months, just insane, announced the last week). Another one Envion not paid at all despite they told before bounty that they will pay after 2 weeks. Last one Hdac still not paid and in rules, they stated one month for payout.
I don't know OP if fighting with this unprofessional manager will be good for you in the end. But I understand that you are angry and willing justice I felt this way too. Still, when I think about this I am angry as hell.
There should be somebody or a thread where we could report bad managers and somebody from BTT team act like a judge to help us. Because we are left alone with no way to defend ourselves in such a situation.
I don't really know if you're right or not but at first you're just a participant, he's campaign manager that mean you're working for him so I think when you wanna propose anything don't forget to say "Thank you". Beside you're not the only one participate in that bounty campaign so you're not the only one posted in that topic so sometime he can't get in touch with all reply, in that case you should send him a PM but don't quote your old post and said like you're very angry and trying to blame for his mistake. He's also just a normal guy so he also can has some mistake. This is just my thinking
The bounty managers who act with arrogance will not go far. In fact they will not have another campaign to manage if many people complain about the same thing. Good managers are the ones who are managing a lot of signature campaigns in the bitcoin are but you are referring to altcoin bounty here and there anyone can become a manager of such signature. It is up to the user to do his own research about the project and also the manager, of course it is more difficult in bounties paid in altcoin or tokens because there are a dozen of these campaigns.
We have our own diversity. Everyone of us is unique and maybe it is the reason why your campaign manager is misinterpreted with your question.
We have different cultures and every culture must respect! I think the only reason why he said like that is somehow, you stepped his cultural aspect and also he annoyed in your attitude so better to apologize first before you judge him. If you know that you are in the good place then that is the right time for him to be judged.
I think some bounty managers are really bad at what they are doing. Atittude should never a condition ro recieve your work...but here is the wild west and there is no time to complain.
If you feel you got an unfair treatmen just give him a red trust...there is not much you can do at this point. Head up and go for the next campaign.
I heard there are lot of bounty managers that behave that way and some managers will explain that they are busy updating thousand of issues regarding stakes counts . If i will going to encounter that kind of behavior i will just continue to follow up my stakes in a humble manner but if in the end of ICO that i was not paid according to my hard work then i will include him to my list as bad manager for my future reference.
I will not say anything about this manager.
It's just that you'd better send a PM to your project manager through this foum or telegram group manager. there are many posts in this campaign thread up to 221 pages that means 4420 posts. maybe your post is missing to read.
It's just that you'd better send a PM to your project manager through this foum or telegram group manager. there are many posts in this campaign thread up to 221 pages that means 4420 posts. maybe your post is missing to read.
There's nothing against being arrogant, though it would obviously be bad practice and campaign managers should have patience but so should participants on the campaign but it's hard to judge without hearing the full story, but this manager should probably be looked into. There's lots of scammers and incompetent people getting jobs as campaign managers right now and if you look at his feedback it's alleged he has a few alts that seem to engage in shady behaviour:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151 lorrylore
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/namelessname-553644 namelessname
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/huahui-332981 hua_hui
hua_hui is also running the PolicyPal campaign but his alt lorylore is also on it as is his own account:
https://i.imgur.com/emYu3ix.jpg
Which is against his own campaign terms:
How many other alt accounts has he possibly given places to? Did they make the required posts etc?
nice one, hope someone paint this guy and his alt https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151 lorrylore
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/namelessname-553644 namelessname
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/huahui-332981 hua_hui
hua_hui is also running the PolicyPal campaign but his alt lorylore is also on it as is his own account:
https://i.imgur.com/emYu3ix.jpg
Which is against his own campaign terms:
Rules:
- No multiple accounts/farming accounts.
- No multiple accounts/farming accounts.
How many other alt accounts has he possibly given places to? Did they make the required posts etc?
There's nothing against being arrogant, though it would obviously be bad practice and campaign managers should have patience but so should participants on the campaign but it's hard to judge without hearing the full story, but this manager should probably be looked into. There's lots of scammers and incompetent people getting jobs as campaign managers right now and if you look at his feedback it's alleged he has a few alts that seem to engage in shady behaviour:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151 lorrylore
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/namelessname-553644 namelessname
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/huahui-332981 hua_hui
hua_hui is also running the PolicyPal campaign but his alt lorylore is also on it as is his own account:
Which is against his own campaign terms:
How many other alt accounts has he possibly given places to? Did they make the required posts etc?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151 lorrylore
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/namelessname-553644 namelessname
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/huahui-332981 hua_hui
hua_hui is also running the PolicyPal campaign but his alt lorylore is also on it as is his own account:
Which is against his own campaign terms:
Rules:
- No multiple accounts/farming accounts.
- No multiple accounts/farming accounts.
How many other alt accounts has he possibly given places to? Did they make the required posts etc?
A word for you is to get used to it, I'm not saying all but most of them are like that just because they think they know better than us just because we are lower rank or if you just started doing this job. They don't respect your opinion and they just think of their own. I have been one of those situations but I just ignore it and keep going but also I do meet great managers who support you and will answer your question right away. If you want to keep earning in this forum you need to tolerate and keep going and adapt in this field. I great manager will understand, explain, and help those who have no knowledge. I hope this forum will check that as a requirement for being a manger.
Actually, I have not found a very arrogant campaign manager yet.
But before we say that the campaign manager is arrogant, then we need to ask ourselves if we have done something wrong with them.
If we say something or doing wrong, it will be the root of the conflict or disturbance. So in the first place of misunderstanding, be humble and do not be discouraged.
They work to motivate us to improve our knowledge in this kind of forum.
But before we say that the campaign manager is arrogant, then we need to ask ourselves if we have done something wrong with them.
If we say something or doing wrong, it will be the root of the conflict or disturbance. So in the first place of misunderstanding, be humble and do not be discouraged.
They work to motivate us to improve our knowledge in this kind of forum.
So the problem as I understand it is that your bounty manager didn't upgrade your rank, and thus you should be getting paid more based on the higher rank?
I'm getting the feeling that there's more to their conversation than is posted here. Were you really assertive in asking him to change your rank? He seems to think your attitude sucks, but from only what was posted here, that doesn't seem to be the case. You might be a pain in his ass, but IMO that doesn't justify his comments.
Either report him to his boss and see if that helps, or find yourself a new bounty. It's not like there's a dearth of them around.
I'm getting the feeling that there's more to their conversation than is posted here. Were you really assertive in asking him to change your rank? He seems to think your attitude sucks, but from only what was posted here, that doesn't seem to be the case. You might be a pain in his ass, but IMO that doesn't justify his comments.
Either report him to his boss and see if that helps, or find yourself a new bounty. It's not like there's a dearth of them around.
Should the attitude of the bounty manager also do not have to be so especially if the participant is right in doing the job and if I see actually it is a spele increase in rankings but I am very surprised is it just because your chat manager immediately took you out of the campaign that was on the way?
If it is because it is better to raise your topic to moderator in order to be followed up.
If it is because it is better to raise your topic to moderator in order to be followed up.
Its actually not right for managers to be rude but they are also human beings who have feelings and the moment you deal with large number of people as we have it in bounty campaigns and when you deal with people with several needs and complaints the rule is always the rule. If the manager didn't include it in the rule about the procedures to rank up, he might be concerned with the stress of having to update for everyone who ranks up and this is another stressful effort on his part since everyone won't be ranking at the same time.
Sometimes we should understand our bounty managers because they have a lot or work also if you imagine if one signature campaign has a 400 members for example he will review the post every day to make it sure that there is no foul words this is a very hard responsibility, so must understand them or give more respect because in the end of the day he will fix your token if the campaign is already done.
Oh you must be feeling real bad as you did a couple of weeks. I can't understand what rudeness you showed in this chat as I can see you asked the assistant bounty manager as politely as anyone could be in this line of work. I'm also really surprised that Hua_hui didn't initially change your member rank which is a bit unlike him. His team has good reputation on handling bounty campaigns, and most of his team members are very well communicative persons, also many of their campaigns have proven to be huge success. I hope they respond to your post and unban you.
Just to your thing,promote the ICO and do not waste your time talking about these arrogant people,report directly to the CEO if they are threatning your stakes to be removed,or if they removed you from the bounty program.They arent untouchable as they think that only difference is they are managing the bounty and you are a hunter.
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