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legendary
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Rising prices will cause people to NEVER (till the heat death of the universe) sell or trade.  

Is that your claim?  Really?  Can't find any flaws in it?

Not my claim, but look up the thread, ppl saying they'll sell for billions or $infinity if it gets scarce enough.

The discussion was about some entity buying all the bitcoins, and the counter argument was that this was impossible, cause people wouldn't sell them all, because you can't force anyone to sell. Or that the price would get so high it was not feasible to trade it.
My argument is that at that point, bitcoin is no longer useful as a currency, so the malevolent entity would have reached the goal of stopping bitcoin. So he wouldn't have to actually get all 21 million of them. Just enough to stop the liquidity of it.

(P.S: Even though that's my argument, I don't believe that the value will increase infinitely as it gets more scarce. The supply / demand law doesn't work well at extremes for one. Secondly, the bitcoins are not destroyed. The entity still has them, and can dump them at any time. Would you really buy bitcoins at $1000 (or whatever would be considered a high price at that time) a pop, if you knew some entity, let's say a goverment bent on stopping it, had say 10 million bitcoins in their wallet? That would be extremely risky, thus most people would stop buying (or start selling) and stop the price increase.


The discussion is useless. Let whoever make a try at buying "all" bitcoins so that the price will finally rise. I will sell mine at 10$ per coin already. Perhaps a big part at 8 or 6. I need to make up for a lot of costs. Topic postponed until at least 2022 or so.
hero member
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Rising prices will cause people to NEVER (till the heat death of the universe) sell or trade.  

Is that your claim?  Really?  Can't find any flaws in it?

Not my claim, but look up the thread, ppl saying they'll sell for billions or $infinity if it gets scarce enough.

The discussion was about some entity buying all the bitcoins, and the counter argument was that this was impossible, cause people wouldn't sell them all, because you can't force anyone to sell. Or that the price would get so high it was not feasible to trade it.
My argument is that at that point, bitcoin is no longer useful as a currency, so the malevolent entity would have reached the goal of stopping bitcoin. So he wouldn't have to actually get all 21 million of them. Just enough to stop the liquidity of it.

(P.S: Even though that's my argument, I don't believe that the value will increase infinitely as it gets more scarce. The supply / demand law doesn't work well at extremes for one. Secondly, the bitcoins are not destroyed. The entity still has them, and can dump them at any time. Would you really buy bitcoins at $1000 (or whatever would be considered a high price at that time) a pop, if you knew some entity, let's say a goverment bent on stopping it, had say 10 million bitcoins in their wallet? That would be extremely risky, thus most people would stop buying (or start selling) and stop the price increase.
donator
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Gerald Davis
He wouldn't need to buy all of them. If his purchasing streak pushes prices up so high, or so fast, that nobody will sell them or use them, then for all practical purposes, bitcoin is dead. A currency with no current is not.

Of course.  It is so easy.... er wait no it isn't.

Rising prices will cause people to NEVER (till the heat death of the universe) sell or trade. 

Is that your claim?  Really?  Can't find any flaws in it?
hero member
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He wouldn't need to buy all of them. If his purchasing streak pushes prices up so high, or so fast, that nobody will sell them or use them, then for all practical purposes, bitcoin is dead. A currency with no current is not.
kjj
legendary
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What if someone bought up all the existing dollars?

I think the Chinese are trying but they forget how good we are at printing.  One thing no country can do better than the US is print dollars (oh and sell weapons of mass destruction).

USD, the first homeopatic currency.

Certainly not the first, and quite likely not the last either.
hero member
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What if someone bought up all the existing dollars?

I think the Chinese are trying but they forget how good we are at printing.  One thing no country can do better than the US is print dollars (oh and sell weapons of mass destruction).

USD, the first homeopatic currency.
donator
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Gerald Davis
What if someone bought up all the existing dollars?

I think the Chinese are trying but they forget how good we are at printing.  One thing no country can do better than the US is print dollars (oh and sell weapons of mass destruction).
kjj
legendary
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What if someone bought up all the existing dollars?
newbie
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All this still fails to account for the coins that have been lost to careless wallet handling, sent into the void, or otherwise put someplace you can't get to them anymore: even if I wanted to, was forced at gunpoint even, I absolutely could not send you the first .00003355 of a coin I earned while mining.  Why?  A typo in the payout address.  They're still out there, somewhere, and until some hacker extraordinaire manages to crack that key they'll remain there.

This hearkens back to the argument from the '80s that "the Japanese are buying America!"  Someone's got to sell it to them!  Personally, I'm not selling mine for a nice long time.
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
Someone want to buy all existing bitcoins?

Nice! I am selling some of mine at 20 billions $ each  Wink

Gabi your brief comment actually conveyed the point I was trying to make better than I could have Smiley Nicely stated.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Someone want to buy all existing bitcoins?

Nice! I am selling some of mine at 20 billions $ each  Wink
legendary
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Strength in numbers
No it isn't.  The point is nobody could buy all the gold or all the corn or all the bitcoins.

Not without forced "sales" using military force.  Even if I were to liquidate 99.99% of my bitcoins I would still hang on to a few so he wouldn't get all of them.

Point taken.
But again, if someone could get their hands on all the BTC, then BTC became useless. But not with corn (and other goods you mentioned); most of the world (certainly the whole US) is corn fed, down to the corn-sirup.



What on earth would you do with all the corn? Spread it around to other people immediately?
legendary
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Strength in numbers
No it isn't.  The point is nobody could buy all the gold or all the corn or all the bitcoins.

Not without forced "sales" using military force.  Even if I were to liquidate 99.99% of my bitcoins I would still hang on to a few so he wouldn't get all of them.

Why 99.99%? He's paying whatever you want. Sell half or 1% for more riches than you can every use.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
What is someone bought all the gold? or oil? or electricity? or corn?

That's different. We need gold, oil, electricity (highly correlated to oil, let's call it energy), corn, even gold to some extent (and we want it).

But Bitcoin has no corporal value, it has value because we believe in it and agree on its value (agree not as in fixing prices but set by the market).
One person would be pretty stupid to buy all the BTC, he/she would just be competing against themself, and everyone else would move on to create a new block-chain.



That really not likely since the next block would be worth about infinity * 50 / existing coins. It would be the most solid secure valuable block chain based currency even imaginable.
donator
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Gerald Davis
No it isn't.  The point is nobody could buy all the gold or all the corn or all the bitcoins.  They would all be equally stupid attempts.

You can't acquire "all" of any commodity not without forced gobal "sales" using military force and the threat of physical violence/death.  Even if I were to liquidate 99.99% of my bitcoins I would still hang on to a few so the buyer wouldn't get all of them.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
He'd be totally screwed because as I sell my 104th to last coin I'll have such vast riches that he'll have to make high level physics breakthroughs and sell me trips to the past or distant galaxies in order to get more.
donator
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Gerald Davis
What is someone bought all the gold? or oil? or electricity? or corn?

legendary
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Oooooh, I can hardly wait. Who is he? The price for my bitcoins will be $1 million each. This guy will make me rich. I will pay good money to know who he is.


actually it would be $infinity.  woohoo!
If the Dollar is worthless, that would still be nothing though. Sad

+1

an infinite amount of zero.
N12
donator
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Oooooh, I can hardly wait. Who is he? The price for my bitcoins will be $1 million each. This guy will make me rich. I will pay good money to know who he is.


actually it would be $infinity.  woohoo!
If the Dollar is worthless, that would still be nothing though. Sad
legendary
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Oooooh, I can hardly wait. Who is he? The price for my bitcoins will be $1 million each. This guy will make me rich. I will pay good money to know who he is.


actually it would be $infinity.  woohoo!
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