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Topic: What is bitcoin backed by? My favorite answers - page 6. (Read 10226 times)

newbie
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Bitcoin seems to work like a benevolent ponzi scheme. It is backed by math and the greed of all of us.
hero member
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Isn't bitcoin backed by speculation?
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Bitcoin is literally backed by silver and gold.  I can show you several places where you can exchange it for either.

'Backed by' is not the same thing as 'exchangeable for.' 

If all the PMs exchangeable for (available for purchase with) Bitcoin were taken off the market, Bitcoin would still be backed by its intrinsic value as a good Aristotelian monetary unit.

Likewise, the US dollar is no longer backed by PMs, despite being constantly exchanged for them.
sr. member
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Bitcoin is literally backed by silver and gold.  I can show you several places where you can exchange it for either.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.

Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by.

Not exactly.

Bitcoin and gold are both backed by the same thing - their unparalleled utility as a medium of exchange satisfying Aristotle's prerequisites:

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Aristotle's Qualities of a Good Money
By Gold Investing 101

About 2000 years ago Aristotle defined the characteristics of a good form of money. They were as follows:

1.) It must be durable. Meaning it must stand the test of time and the elements. Money is a medium of exchange and a store of wealth so whatever form it takes, it must be able to handle the wear and tear of constant trading and transactions.

2.) It must be portable. Meaning it should be practical in the sense that it holds a high amount of 'worth' relative to it's weight and size. In other words, it's "worth" must be very dense. Imagine if money was in the form of lead bricks, these bricks would be very dense, but it would be a nightmare and near impossible to constantly exchange large amounts. And you can forget about carrying them around in your pockets.

3.) It must be divisible and consistent. Meaning it should be relatively easy to separate and distribute in smaller forms without affecting it's fundamental characteristics. This concept also works in reverse in that it should be relatively easy to re-combine several divided pieces of the money into a larger, single piece. This makes houses and paintings and cars unpractical as forms of money because taking them apart would affect their fundamental characteristics. An extension of this idea is that the item should be 'fungible'. Dictionary.com describes fungible as:

"(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind."

4.) It must have intrinsic value. This characteristic carries a bit of a subjective quality in that everyone views the world through a different lens and what I view as valuable may not necessarily be valuable to my neighbor, but for the sake of argument let's just say that there is a consensus of value given to a certain material. The basic understanding behind intrinsic value is that the material carries 'worth' in and of itself. It does not derive it's value from anything else. It just sits there and is valuable. This is why paper currencies with no backing will not stand the test of time. Paper currencies only derive their "value" from what is known as legal tender laws, which are in essence a threat of legal prosecution, and or force, if they are not accepted as money for payment.

This fourth point brings up the point of scarcity, which is in essence a matter of intrinsic value. Paper currencies in circulation today, such as the dollar, euro, yen, swiss francs, zimbabwe dollars, etc... they are all now purely fiat instruments. (by fiat, I mean that their use is declared by decree and usually by threat of force. Definition of fiat.) The governments that sponsor them have essentially unlimited power in their ability to create new supplies. Because of technology, it is now simply a matter of typing something into a computer and the amounts are instantly credited somewhere. So in theory the supply of dollars for instance is infinite, and it seems like lately the wizards in Washington are trying to see whether this theoretical limit can be reached. Take Zimbabwe as a practical real world example. It now takes trillions of Zimbabwe dollars to buy a roll of toilet paper.
http://www.gold-speculator.com/gold-investing-101/4476-aristotles-qualities-good-money.html
legendary
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Bitcoin is backed by demand from greedy geeks.  If you think the world will ever run out of greedy geeks - then you might want to steer clear of Bitcoin.

haha.. only serious Wink


Still.. even if a currency were 'backed' by a gold standard - it's only a political decision away from not being backed by gold... so even such 'backing' is hardly worth much.

Bitcoin's properties, whilst theoretically modifiable via mass consensus, are less fickle than the so-called backing of any other currency system.


So, in my mind, Bitcoin is backed by self-interest and its own inertia.  That could also be said of fiat currencies - but the big difference is who the 'self' is.
legendary
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Firstbits: 1pirata
Same as gold, is backed by the people.
legendary
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The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.

Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by.
donator
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The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.
full member
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I say it's backed by math not gold and math is better then gold because:

  • Smiling lying bastards in silk suits can't deceive you about the amount of your math in the vault
  • The Govt can't reach up it's ass and pull out tons of math to give to the pigs on Wall Street, thereby debasing your math.
  • Burglars can't swipe your math while you're at the movies.
  • The 'we buy your math' creeps won't offer you peanuts for your math
  • Your math really is math and not tungsten with a math coating
  • And most important - The Govt can't send men with guns to take your math
sr. member
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1) A lack of faith in central banks and their long-term control over government currencies

2) A desire to hold currency that has positive expected value when more efficient means of production are discovered.

That is all.

-bgc
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