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May 21, 2018, 02:13:49 PM
#90
Yesterday, BlackRock Strategist Richard Turnill said there’s no inherent right or wrong Bitcoin price, no fair value. On multiple occasions Bitcoin has been criticized for lacking fair value. I haven't come across any stats or traditional methods that can be used to calculate Bitcoin's fair value, but does that mean Bitcoin doesn't have a fair value?

I found an article on Investopedia about how to measure Bitcoin's fair market value. I don't think this framework is statistically accurate, but theoretically plausible. Almost all predictions regarding Bitcoin price are speculative in nature, but backed by a solid belief that Bitcoin's scarcity and its underlying technology is potentially revolutionary which would have an impact on different sectors. Bitcoin has value because people think it has value, right. It means Bitcoins have positive expected value.

The total market value of a currency, its "monetary base", is driven by two things, transactional demand and reservation demand.

1. Transactional demand - Daily transaction volume.

2. Reservation demand - Hoarding/long-term investment.

It is expected that with more merchant adoption the transactional demand would increase.

3. Hurdle rate - Rate of return required to compensate for the risks associated with holding Bitcoin. Yeah, technopolitical hurdles or backlash from a country can have an impact on Bitcoin's expected value.

Theoretically, the fair-market value of one BTC should simply be the dividend of its predicted future monetary base (total market cap) and BTC in circulation, discounted by a "hurdle rate."

A rational market price for something that is expected to increase in value will already reflect the present value of the expected future increases. In your head, you do a probability estimate balancing the odds that it keeps increasing.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/050914/easy-way-measure-bitcoins-fair-market-value-doityourself-guide.asp?

Bitcoins does not have the fair value because those investors are earning a huge amount of profit from the market's volatility and because of that we can expect to become very wealthy if we are patient enough to wait until the price grow up before selling.
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May 21, 2018, 02:11:16 PM
#89
There have been several factors affecting bitcoin price, including supply demand, government regulations and laws, technological changes.
There are associated factors along with the major factors that overall affect the price of Bitcoin. On one hand where major factors would cause occasional price changes, associated factors with the major ones would cause the price change without being obvious and gets unnoticed also sometimes. So it becomes a little tricky to calculate a fair price for Bitcoin. Smiley
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May 21, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
#88
Of course, the price which is derived from the demand and supply is the actual price of Bitcoin but when it comes to the value, I would consider acquisition cost and other aspects related to it. For a miner, the fair value for Bitcoin is the cost which he spent in the mining operations, he will definitely expect some profit on the acquisition cost and that would be the market price of Bitcoin from his end. When it comes to the fair value, I would take the average of top bid/ask prices from the market (I don't want to cut the rewards of the sellers here).
Blockchain has value as a technology. But Bitcoin has no value, and is certainly not money, which is proven by the volatility of its (entirely subjective) valuation. The essence of money is to store present value for future transactions.
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May 21, 2018, 12:37:26 PM
#87
Of course, the price which is derived from the demand and supply is the actual price of Bitcoin but when it comes to the value, I would consider acquisition cost and other aspects related to it. For a miner, the fair value for Bitcoin is the cost which he spent in the mining operations, he will definitely expect some profit on the acquisition cost and that would be the market price of Bitcoin from his end. When it comes to the fair value, I would take the average of top bid/ask prices from the market (I don't want to cut the rewards of the sellers here).
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May 20, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
#86
I think the value or bitcoin price is fair enough and appropriate. After all, there are many people who spend their money to invest bitcoin and many people are interested and want bitcoin that causes the price and bitcoin value to be high and continue to increase.
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May 20, 2018, 08:13:33 AM
#85
I don't think that the bitcoin has a fair value because it is really depending on the demand of the people in the market. The value of bitcoin is always fair because the price is being dictated by the demand and there is nothing that we can do with that thing. The value of bitcoin will not become fair if there is manipulator in the market only but right now, the market seems good and well maintained.

I agree that we can hardly talk about such a concept as "Bitcoin's fair value". The value of bitcoin is completely dependent on people's interest in it. In this regard, bitcoin is very similar to gold, the price of which also depends entirely on the demand for this precious metal. Therefore, the price of bitcoin always corresponds to the extent to which it is of interest to members of the crypto-currency community and investors.
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May 20, 2018, 08:10:40 AM
#84
I think bitcoin's fair value is debateable. Some expert said bitcoin should be $250k and John Mcaffee said bitcoin should be $1millions on 2020. Maybe the fair value is on market by see on buying and sell transaction.
Honestly I hope bitcoin can be like analys said that bitcoin can reach $25k end this year because if bitcoin price rising, other coin will going up too
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May 20, 2018, 08:06:34 AM
#83
I think the market value of bitcoin is increasing day by day and there are lot of good brands are accepting bitcoin and that is why bitcoin is looking the top first demand of the public and its demand is increasing day by day,
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December 02, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
#82
I don't think that the bitcoin has a fair value because it is really depending on the demand of the people in the market. The value of bitcoin is always fair because the price is being dictated by the demand and there is nothing that we can do with that thing. The value of bitcoin will not become fair if there is manipulator in the market only but right now, the market seems good and well maintained.
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Bitcoin :open immutable decentralized global fair
December 02, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
#81
I think relevant to this question is this topic here:
When will central banks in the world, as an aggregate, stop increasing the supply of fiat-currency/credit in the world?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/when-will-supply-of-fiat-currencycredits-in-the-world-stop-being-pumped-2434870
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November 30, 2017, 03:25:29 AM
#80
I think with coming years if BTC usage in reality not expands the price of BTC can drop more and more by the time.

Am I wrong?
Probably yes when everything is exhausted and no more transactions to trade. But as of this time, that is to far from reality. All the released value of bitcoin as for the moment is fair. It only matters on the current transactions made by the new investors and the downstream trading that are working for the value of bitcoin
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Bitcoin :open immutable decentralized global fair
November 30, 2017, 03:02:16 AM
#79
bitcoin prices are very expensive because they are very small and hard to find while very high demand, this becomes the main trigger of bitcoin price increase.

What about its security? What about its open immutable ledger for everyone to see & check? What about its decntralization around the globe? What about its fair(er) distribution? Above, you meant that its scarce in supply when you say "small" right?
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November 21, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
#78
bitcoin prices are very expensive because they are very small and hard to find while very high demand, this becomes the main trigger of bitcoin price increase.
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November 21, 2017, 01:01:07 AM
#77
It is hard to identify bitcoin's fair value right now since people sees it as an asset and thinks that price will go high in the future most people are willing to pay more than it's current price for future investment. Unlike other currencies that has gold to determine it's fair value bitcoin don't have any purely supply and demand.

What about 10 more years in the future?

When will central banks in the world, as an aggregate, stop increasing the supply of fiat-currency/credit in the world?
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November 20, 2017, 03:03:27 AM
#76
It is hard to identify bitcoin's fair value right now since people sees it as an asset and thinks that price will go high in the future most people are willing to pay more than it's current price for future investment. Unlike other currencies that has gold to determine it's fair value bitcoin don't have any purely supply and demand.
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November 18, 2017, 10:30:08 AM
#75
That is entirely subjective since different people value the same thing differently, as was the case for bitcoin. I mean, if people are willing to pay $7700 for a single, digital coin that has no intrinsic value, there would also be people willing to pay more than that as long as they get their money back plus profit in the long run. That is how they value their bitcoins, and not really much on how they can use it but how can they benefit more from the potential profit it brings.
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November 18, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
#74
The fair value of Bitcoin is what others are willing to pay for it. Right now people are willing to pay about $7000 for a Bitcoin, so that is what it is truly worth. Bitcoin and most other cryptocurrencies are valued by the free market because no government or business owns them (except for possible institutional investments). To me this means that the price is accurate most of the time. The exceptions would be when a whale pumps the price and then dumps the coin or some other manipulation of the price.
That is just the point. If there is no one willing to pay $7000+ for it, then we will just keep hanging at a particular price and if there is no real demand for it, then people would be willing to give it out at a lower value.

As long as there would keep being demand for it as long as we get to a point that it becomes useful then the value is perfect at that moment and that is the worth! In short, there cannot be any fixed value for bitcoins as it is purely people's preferences to afford any price levels to buy and to use.
No one could actually judge any sort of fair value for the bitcoins. This is because the rate of single coin entirely depends upon the concept of demand and supply difference.

If the people make it demanding currency due to excessive use and if the total number of shares I the open market are more in terms f cryptos, the  obviously the price would get higher. So the fair value of the coins is just what is declared by the consumers through usage and investment.
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November 18, 2017, 07:27:45 AM
#73
We could not determine any particular value as fair value of bitcoin.Just as gold price increases or decreases with change in demand,same would be with bitcoin.Its price is affected either positively or negatively by the market factors.Japan legalized bitcoin and thousands of retailers started accepting bitcoin payment triggering its price.China's ban on ICOs made bitcoin price to fall a little temporarily.Bitcoin's potential is that it deserves more price than what it is today.
There is nothing in this world with which we can determine the fair value of bitcoin. It is because of the reason that the only thing which determines the market price of bitcoin is the demand of bitcoin in the international market.

With the increase in demand, the market price of bitcoin also increases. There is no hard and fast rule which can help us in knowing this thing that this is the faro amount.
Yes the fair value of the bitcoin is very hard to predict because it keep on changing as the value of the bitcoin is high today then tomorrow the price of the bitcoin will be more than this and then with the time the price and the value of the bitcoin remain changing as the people are aware of the value change and they never say that the bitcoin will ever get down in the price and the value almost all the people are buying the bitcoin and investing in it so the price will be high in the future.
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November 15, 2017, 07:35:57 AM
#72
I do not understand what the concept of a fair price. The price is formed by demand and no one may make against the will of the buy bitcoins. If today you pay $ 6,000 and tomorrow pay $ 5000 then this is a fair price. Bitcoin breaks all stereotypes and the issue price is only one of these parameters.
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November 15, 2017, 07:06:33 AM
#71
None can fix a fair value for bitcoin, because when the price was around $1000 people find that to be a fair value. When the growth happened in a large scale and reached above $2500, people started to indicate this to be the fair value. So, with bitcoin nothing cam be fixed as a fair value.
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