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What would the dispute resolution look like? and how does the escrow system works?

Solely preaching about it giving people an opportunity to earn in a bear market seems not convincing enough. You should explain more about the overview of the whole system. And any other else benefit/feature/opportunity of the platform that could give, since I can't find any.

Since you asked overview about the whole system , be a lil open minded and think about amazon , replace money or credit card payments with bitcoins, Now benefits could be endless for both buyer and seller side, supposedly you want to sell any old artifact which could be of some value , its simple to put an add with a price .. the trader may talk to you on the platform .. one thing is different from amazon is that u cannot talk to vendor before placing an order .. it would be a marketplace rather where in people can talk and when trade is opened the bitcoins will be put to escrow and once the item is delivered and received the bitcoins will be replaced by the vendor, though its a not a rocket science to understand a very basic concept of P2P clubbed with E Commerce.. which is basically based on WEB3 Solutions

I get that point. The problem is, IIRC, such kind of platform/initiative was already discussed by someone else on the Project Development board and somewhere, a long ago and not once. Now I didn't hear anything about it at all.

I did ask whether how this particular project will be developed, and where's the pain point of the market that could potentially choose this platform. For example, how do you attract buyers and sellers to your platforms? because things like Amazon already give a lot of convenients for a lot of users. And you didn't even explain the escrow and dispute resolution system about it, how could anyone have an assurance when they want to transact over the platform?

Well reaching out to masses is one major challenge looking at the current scenario where most traders are indulged into spot or staking trading, Now coming to the point of escrow, just like in amazon where you place an order by making payment through your card , here the currency that would be used to safe guard both buyer and seller would be bitcoin .. The product can be easily delivered from one place to another using many delivery services around the globe, and that traders and vendor can decide and pick and drop facility would be carried out , now dispute resolution , the person who is receiving the product has to make a video while opening the product and share it in the trade window, to ensure he got the right product in a said condition, once both agress the buyer or seller of bitcoin , can release the bitcoin and in case of dispute they can raise a dispute wherein the product will be replaced or returned and money bitcoin will be released to the right party depending on the trade fulfilments...
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What would the dispute resolution look like? and how does the escrow system works?

Solely preaching about it giving people an opportunity to earn in a bear market seems not convincing enough. You should explain more about the overview of the whole system. And any other else benefit/feature/opportunity of the platform that could give, since I can't find any.

Since you asked overview about the whole system , be a lil open minded and think about amazon , replace money or credit card payments with bitcoins, Now benefits could be endless for both buyer and seller side, supposedly you want to sell any old artifact which could be of some value , its simple to put an add with a price .. the trader may talk to you on the platform .. one thing is different from amazon is that u cannot talk to vendor before placing an order .. it would be a marketplace rather where in people can talk and when trade is opened the bitcoins will be put to escrow and once the item is delivered and received the bitcoins will be replaced by the vendor, though its a not a rocket science to understand a very basic concept of P2P clubbed with E Commerce.. which is basically based on WEB3 Solutions

I get that point. The problem is, IIRC, such kind of platform/initiative was already discussed by someone else on the Project Development board and somewhere, a long ago and not once. Now I didn't hear anything about it at all.

I did ask whether how this particular project will be developed, and where's the pain point of the market that could potentially choose this platform. For example, how do you attract buyers and sellers to your platforms? because things like Amazon already give a lot of convenients for a lot of users. And you didn't even explain the escrow and dispute resolution system about it, how could anyone have an assurance when they want to transact over the platform?
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What would the dispute resolution look like? and how does the escrow system works?

Solely preaching about it giving people an opportunity to earn in a bear market seems not convincing enough. You should explain more about the overview of the whole system. And any other else benefit/feature/opportunity of the platform that could give, since I can't find any.

Since you asked overview about the whole system , be a lil open minded and think about amazon , replace money or credit card payments with bitcoins, Now benefits could be endless for both buyer and seller side, supposedly you want to sell any old artifact which could be of some value , its simple to put an add with a price .. the trader may talk to you on the platform .. one thing is different from amazon is that u cannot talk to vendor before placing an order .. it would be a marketplace rather where in people can talk and when trade is opened the bitcoins will be put to escrow and once the item is delivered and received the bitcoins will be replaced by the vendor, though its a not a rocket science to understand a very basic concept of P2P clubbed with E Commerce.. which is basically based on WEB3 Solutions
legendary
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What would the dispute resolution look like? and how does the escrow system works?

Solely preaching about it giving people an opportunity to earn in a bear market seems not convincing enough. You should explain more about the overview of the whole system. And any other else benefit/feature/opportunity of the platform that could give, since I can't find any.
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Obviously it will not be a DeFi per say in terms of tokens generation and putting into trade for buying and selling any product or service, rather EDeFi is peer to peer  escrow system, which is decentralized in nature as in p2p no central authority is cashing out money, its among people , so p2p exchanges are generally put into the category of decentralized, as of now  p2p exchanges are only suffice to limited trading of crypto to crypto , or crypto to cash , but in a p2p edefi , people can simply trade their products and services ...just like in amazon or any other e commerce platform , where the security of both buyer and seller would be bitcoin or any other blockchain backed cryptocurrency..
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Bitcoin's popularization and use will only happen through bitcoin itself, not through E-DeFi and other options. Bitcoin is self-sufficient to accept payments without all the e-commerce and DeFi stuff. DeFi has a very bad reputation right now, most DeFi tokens deployed are scam and useless tokens. Only time will help the cryptocurrency community get out of the bottom, as it did before. The market shows nothing new, only repeating old tricks.
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Is there a difference between regular p2p and e-commerce p2p? other than transactions from one person to another! if this is already been offered in most online stores how is it going to make a big difference in the crypto community?
To me, I don't see any big deal here to make a huge difference, p2p or e-commerce p2p is good because it gives an opportunity for direct transaction in a much quicker way but nothing more to it.
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This would be innovative for sure, but it is not going to be something that is unthinkable and hardcore. It is going to be a lot of time before people could open up to new innovations these days as well, it would be quite difficult. Think about it this way, if we are in a situation where it is going to take a ton of money to do marketing, versus a time when people are investing to even shitty stuff, when would be the best time to start a new innovation?

Ecommerce is a good place to put your hat into, but it would require people to wait for these to develop at the right time, doing it right now would mean the death of anything before it came out considering how people are losing money.

Well the major impact of an EDeFi is when the market is down and people losing money, it can give a bosst to the crypto economy as most people who are left out for buying a cryptocurrency would be able to get it,  Secondly people wont fear losing money, as this is not an investment but a business model , where they accept bitcoins in real time price for their products and services, and cashing them out when required later, unlike the derivative exchanges where people have to wait for long most of the times to take out their ROI. So this way an EDeFi could be the next big thing, just think of it like amazon or flipKart of Bitcoin Trading
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This would be innovative for sure, but it is not going to be something that is unthinkable and hardcore. It is going to be a lot of time before people could open up to new innovations these days as well, it would be quite difficult. Think about it this way, if we are in a situation where it is going to take a ton of money to do marketing, versus a time when people are investing to even shitty stuff, when would be the best time to start a new innovation?

Ecommerce is a good place to put your hat into, but it would require people to wait for these to develop at the right time, doing it right now would mean the death of anything before it came out considering how people are losing money.
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Yes , the point is p2p escrow platform with a digital currency to be in escrow just like bitcoin ,would be able to suffice the needs of both buyer and seller, as exchange of product and services can be carried out where both buyer and seller rights are protected...


Bitcoin is already safe and fully decentralized.  Tell me how and why is this 'E-DeFi' more advanced and helpful than Bitcoin currently is?  You make it sound like Bitcoin is just a purely speculative asset with no capability of offering Peer to Peer transactions in a decentralized manner.

I assumed they meant a decentralised version of a site like opensea but for selling additional goods (such as physical items).

It's probably overinnovating for the time though as a lot of this would require escrow (for physical items and some digital ones that are hard to verify) or could just be easily done by using currently available options (making your own website and advertising it would be a lot easier (and arguably already as decentralised as it needs to be).
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E DeFi works on a peer to peer model clubbed with e commerce , wherein the people trade among themself rather than gateways , which are direct payments which can be paid before or after the product or service is rendered.. Its quiet difficult to protect both buyer and the seller in that case , think of it amazon , so once you pay amazon it holds the funds until the product is delivered , which ensures the right product is delivered , exactly same way p2p is a traditional model but when it is complemented with e commerce to trade products and services , the reach of the users goes from regional to glabal ... So E-DeFi is basically connecting the world , irrespective of the product or service that you want to sell in exchange of bitcoins .... 
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So instead of thinking and demeaning coinbaazar which is setting a bench mark in crypto community , you shall share your views about E-DeFi for which the post has been discussed, and how could it be helpful for crypto community ..

E-DeFi is quite useless.

It basically cannot do anything without a regular DeFi service, which people are already skeptical of using because every day some random DeFi service keeps getting hacked.

Tell me how is this supposed to be better than my WooCommerce BTC payment gateways?
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Just to counter your so called claims about shilling,

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Out of which anyone can check how many of them are about coinbaazar and its promotion ...

So instead of thinking and demeaning coinbaazar which is setting a bench mark in crypto community , you shall share your views about E-DeFi for which the post has been discussed, and how could it be helpful for crypto community ..
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I do not know why someone would choose 'E-DeFi', which I already assume is either centralized, has a single point of failure or is decentralized on a centralized chain, over other actually peer to peer and fully decentralized tools like BTCPay.  I personally would not.

Don't bother to look to deep into this...
The article is not about whatever eDefi it's just publicity for coinbaazar(dot)com that has a habit of spamming the forum with articles to promote their crappy exchange, seems like now they have found a new way of doing so, shilling for that with fake newbies accounts didn't get them anywhere, neither did fake video reviews and edited videos about their promos

Just check the user's post history
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/talkoncrypto-official-3254131
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Well if we through arcane research the dispute in p2p exchanges are less than 1% , so scams are likely to happen conditionally it would be controlled by Professional Moderators , KYC, and other measures .. just to minimize frauds which may bound to happen even if its less 1% ... SO looking on a positive side it can have a mass reach and could boost crypto peers who wants to look for earning bitcoins rather than buying and waiting for returns ...

You can check this article ..

https://cryptoplo.com/what-is-e-defi-and-how-can-it-help-crypto-community-during-the-market-dip/

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This idea is great but with major setbacks.  The exploit of scammers.  I can envision lots of people being scammed using this kind of approach.  And not saying DEFI technology hasn't been perfected yet.  We have seen lots of DEFI hacks already.

I believe you are proposing a platform where products and services will be sold through p2p mode and the payment method will be cryptocurrency without the platform holding that cryptocurrency in a custodian wallet. Am I correct?

If yes, I am sure I have seen a similar platform back in 2018 during ICO boom. As far as I remember, they had a MVP as well. I don't think they were able to finish the platform but this is something worth researching.


I believe they aren't able to solve the issue of fraud that might happen on the platform.  Without central authority and only depending on the "trust in your neighbor system", this will be a haven for scammers and fraudsters.
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well said, but without a custodial wallet is impractical because the exchange have to save both buyer and seller rights , just like in amazon or any other e commerce service provider
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What is E-DeFi,

Stands for ECommerce Decentralized Finance, which can possibly advance the crypto community to another level, Its has been introduced to crypto community to differentiate between a regular p2p trading to an e commerce p2p trading for buying and selling products such as home decor, paintings, watches, artificial jewellery and many more, and services like web designers, blockchain developers, content writers with bitcoin or any other blockchain backed crypto currency..

This could boom the crypto community in a way that people really want to accept bitcoins in a secure way for their day to day payments in the mode of bitcoin in liue to their products and services but somehow find it difficult..

This way the crypto community can have a global reach, and without being dependent only on investing and getting returns , this could catapult the crypto market even in case of dip, as more people would be able to transact irrespective of the bitcoin price ..

Share your opinion ... Highly Appreciated

I believe you are proposing a platform where products and services will be sold through p2p mode and the payment method will be cryptocurrency without the platform holding that cryptocurrency in a custodian wallet. Am I correct?

If yes, I am sure I have seen a similar platform back in 2018 during ICO boom. As far as I remember, they had a MVP as well. I don't think they were able to finish the platform but this is something worth researching.
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Bitcoin is already safe and fully decentralized.  Tell me how and why is this 'E-DeFi' more advanced and helpful than Bitcoin currently is?  You make it sound like Bitcoin is just a purely speculative asset with no capability of offering Peer to Peer transactions in a decentralized manner.

I assumed they meant a decentralised version of a site like opensea but for selling additional goods (such as physical items).

It's probably overinnovating for the time though as a lot of this would require escrow (for physical items and some digital ones that are hard to verify) or could just be easily done by using currently available options (making your own website and advertising it would be a lot easier (and arguably already as decentralised as it needs to be).
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Bitcoin is already safe and fully decentralized.  Tell me how and why is this 'E-DeFi' more advanced and helpful than Bitcoin currently is?  You make it sound like Bitcoin is just a purely speculative asset with no capability of offering Peer to Peer transactions in a decentralized manner.

Unfortunately, whatever means decentralized now does not fit the definition of this term that we knew years ago.  If today by 'decentralized' we mean a decentralized protocol sitting on a centralized or low security blockchain then it is by no means as 'decentralized' as we try to make it sound.

I do not know why someone would choose 'E-DeFi', which I already assume is either centralized, has a single point of failure or is decentralized on a centralized chain, over other actually peer to peer and fully decentralized tools like BTCPay.  I personally would not.

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