Topic: What is Proof of Play [POP] ? (Read 3519 times)

We just made a game that rewards players with coins through the Proof of Play. It's a mobile strategy, like clash of clans or mobile strike. It's called LaserChain, now in playable beta. You can learn all about it here  -  https://laserchain.io

It also uses no proof-of-play mechanisms, so there is no real way to know that the coin is being fairly distributed.

Hyper coin seems like a good coin for gamers
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-hyper-game-currency-mmos-poker-20-serversshapeshiftio-rpg-more-624651

This is no way related to proof-of-play, though.  They are just running a (pre-existing) centralized game and using their coin in game in a sort of "hosted wallet" that you can send coins to, but with restrictions on being able to get coins back out.

Here's another quality coin
GameleagueCoin [GML]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anngameleaguecoingmlposlist-on-bittrexbterpoloniexgame-version-updated-595779

It looks like Farmville, but people can earn GML coins.

In order to increase the number of cryptocurrency users.
Proof of Play [POP] will play an important role in getting billions of little children world wide to play and opt-in to the idea of decentralize currency.

After 10+ years period, all those billions of children that play [POP] games will become consumers and future pioneers of cryptocurrency.

read the op seems Proof of Play is a new way for coin
very new idea, i will keep on my eye

Sooo, now that we've gotten that BS moved to a more appropriate thread, who wants to talk about proof-of-play? 

sorry ppl do not want to make injuries we have our own thread about word proof

Motocoin is, as far as Iknow, still the only coin which uses a proof-of-play security model.  Huntercoin also uses an "indirect" proof of play to allow for human mining in the game, but it uses a traditional hashing PoW for the network security.

I'm not aware of any third project, at least not any which are already public.

Someone made a good point, just making cryptocurrency specifically for games is not the true way of POP.

Most quality games companies will just ignore your cryptocurrency. Why would they use yours when they can create their own coin. Unless for some magical reason, you are able to convince big companies such as "http://store.steampowered.com/", ect... to partner with you and use your coin.

The primary focus should be in making quality free to play games such as World of War Craft, PerfectWorld.com, DCuniverseonline.com, Farmville, ect... and then you can create your own in-game cryptocurrency to reward those long term users. In a sense, it's sort of like profit sharing. A method like this will certainly attract billions of kids to play your games; they will most likely continue to download games whenever your company create a new game. As long as your cryptocurrency is useable in all games within your company's product line of high quality free to play online games (mobile, desktop, ect...).

We mathematicians, philosophers, and logicians like to link things and make more known that what is true.  We find no higher value.

That which is true, concatenated, is proof in real terms.  Interestingly, the definition of proof is not open to debate.  In fact, if we wish to be able to make any useful conclusion about reality, at all, we must hold the definition of proof as the *only* definition that is not open to debate.

You cannot simply decide your own meaning for "proof."  To do so is irrational, and will certainly be a fast way to discredit yourself.

Proof-of-play is a specific type of proof, and you certainly don't get to decide your own meaning for it, either!


Proof, in this context, has nothing to do with programming.  These are more fundamental philosophical questions.

I don't disagree with your notions that value of a token arises from a concern for its practical use.  I even argue that you *could* coordinate a structured proof around these activities, and that such a thing would be a great contribution.  What I do take issue with is your claim that you have done anything of the sort.  I particularly take issue with your claim that you are doing anything at all like proof-of-play, in particular.  You cannot just slap the word "proof" on a thing and try to pitch it as some meaningful contribution.  At best, this will just devalue the meaning of your contribution by being perceived as a mislabel.


Glass houses and stones thrown.

It is not your place to try to instinctively shoot down other "game related" coins without some meaningful claim against them.  It is very much your place to defend your own claims, if possible.  You've made some pretty bold claims now, I hope you realize... Proofs are not a thing to be taken lightly, particularly "`round these here parts."  The very special nature of proofs is the whole reason our community came to exist in the first place.  You are stepping onto something of sacred ground, here, I hope you are really ready to either defend your position on that ground, or step off of it.


But can you show me any proofs?  A proof is a tangible thing.  It can be held, studied, shared, and referenced.  If you cannot show me some proofs that I can look at and assess as valid or not, you can not be making any claim of having proven something.  If you don't have a proof in hand then you don't have any "proof of market" or "proof of play" or proof of anything.

Anyway this is half off-topic for this thread.  This thread is about proof-of-play, of which you have none.  I'll leave further discussion about whether you have any sort of proof at all to your other thread. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/proof-of-market-pom-807578


That is no justification for injecting it into our (unrelated) thread, on a whim, simply for the sake of trying to promote your own project, and at the expense of others.  This is inexcusable behavior, and quite unbecoming of someone with a Sr.Member title.

anyone can share a list of POP currencies?

Dont want to scam of FUD but here is our understanding. I see, maybe I am wrong, that lately there is lots of coins related to implementing into games. Please do not sit just on programming chair, ok coins are codes but they do not have usability for just beeing coins. We, as I said in other post, understand that it need to be connected with another concepts, like conomy. We economists like to link things and make more value to products. So that is proof in my terms. If you understand proof just in programming ok so, I am with you but connecting with other related parts of activities you need to make valuable things.

We think that crypto is going in that way. SOrry again if I injured you with words, but I see lately lots of game related coins afetr we ann marketing plan. It is just my defense mechanism becuase we imported lots of work into it.

From 15h of october I will be glad to show you games of proof of market games

Our white paper is copyright so it is not copy pasted

This has to be the lamest hype/marketing thread-hijack attempt I've ever seen...


The concept of proof-of-play was not "copy pasted" from anywhere.  The original notion goes back to some broad discussions that occurred in the community as far back as 2010.  The first "full" working implementation of a proof of play system was Motocoin, and was novel.

Your proof-of-market appears to be unrelated.  (It also doesn't appear to actually serve as any proof of anything at all, but that is another conversation for another time in another thread.)


In what way does your "proof of market" incorporate proof-of-play?  How does your freshcoin associate human activity to coin-base claims on a blockchain? (proof-of-play based human mining)  How do you use a cognitive workload challenge as the security function of the network?  (proof-of-play security) Do you understand the definition of proof-of-play?  Do you understand the definition of a proof, in general?


Motocoin was launched as the first proof-of-play secured coin in May.  Huntercoin (which doesn't use proof-of-play directly as a security model, but does use it indirectly to establish human mining for coin-base and subsidy claims) was launched in January.


(Someone should spell-check that noise for you.)


So please do not copy paste your "whitepaper" link into an entirely unrelated thread and call it on topic.


No, you really don't, and didn't.  Show me any one proof certificate over any one game played.  (You can't, so no proof-of-play is happening there.)

This is "great" but copy pasted from POM (proof of market) which is bigger and more usable concept (which has incorporated POP inot it) which was announced on 15th of September here

http://www.docdroid.net/hms3/freshcoin-marketing-plan-and-feasibility-study.pdf.html

So please do not copy paste stuff and call it with different name

We have it on Freshcoin also and created as idea which is in implementation!!!

cheers

I do not have any interest in building any POP games.
This thread is for other people to use and build.

this is a good idea, for me not only to MMORPG, but for the most of online game.
You need to talk with some publisher or software house..

Reply to this thread with all companies offering Proof of Play [POP] cryptocurrency.

You are missing the point, I think.  Proof of play implies that a proof is recorded, a proof of the play that happened.

It isn't about "rewarding players."  You could run a proof-of-play mechanism that never issues any token as reward to the player, only allows for verification that the game was carried out correctly.  It is this ability for verification that makes it proof-of-play, not the reward itself.  The proof-of-play just makes it so we can do some rewards in a way that is provably fair - but this is just a nice bonus side effect of proof-of-play, not part of the definition of it.

It is this ability to independently verify correctness of the game-play that is the distinguishing factor.  You can't have any proof-of-play without some proofs being recorded.

With a proper human-mining and/or proof-of-play system you will always be able to "recreate" a replay of the action that was carried out, or game that was played, and come to the same conclusion of who won it, without relying on any central authority.  In Huntercoin you can watch the whole world state progress from the very first player being created all the way up to the current state of the map, and see how every single thing played out.  In Motocoin you can replay every single map that someone won and see how they got from the start to the finish.

If you can't go back and verify the history of the game play yourself then it isn't any proof-of-play.

(P.S. There are a lot of games these days that actually do reward players for being inactive!  This is called "rest experience" usually.)