What is "Satoshi's vision"? which camp is right? - page 2.

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Quote from: 9op on August 10, 2017, 09:41:54 AM

I see a lot of comments from both sides of the scaling debate, both very strongly believing that their side (be it core, or big blockers), is the true representation of "Satoshi's vision, as obviously expressed in his whitepaper."

Who is right? What is "satoshi's vision", really? Are people twisting words too much or adding their own unfounded opinions?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

It doesn't matter. Whether his vision said a certain thing or if somebody claims that he actually meant something else is completely irrelevant to the future of Bitcoin and is not to affect how it is developed. While Satoshi did come up with a great system to build off, we do not have to follow it. For all we know, even his thoughts on Bitcoin could have changed, but we have no way of knowing that since he simply disappeared. Therefore, what we might think his vision was could be completely different from what he now thinks, and since we can't know the truth, it does not make sense to follow his old vision about Bitcoin development. Even if he did come back and told us what it truly is, why would we follow it if we believed Bitcoin could be better off any other way? There really is no purpose in trying to answer this question or in deciding what Satoshi's vision truly is, since it doesn't actually matter.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on August 10, 2017, 09:51:42 AM

Quote from: 9op on August 10, 2017, 09:41:54 AM

I see a lot of comments from both sides of the scaling debate, both very strongly believing that their side (be it core, or big blockers), is the true representation of "Satoshi's vision, as obviously expressed in his whitepaper."

Who is right? What is "satoshi's vision", really? Are people twisting words too much or adding their own unfounded opinions?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Satoshi's vision doesn't really matter. He's not here, and we need to create a system that will actually scale and work in the real world while dealing with actual issues such as bandwidth, storage, decentralization, and consensus.

In Satoshi's vision, he claimed that he'd just make decisions on his own and everyone would do whatever he decided. In the real world that wouldn't be true even if he was still here, and it certainly isn't true now that he's gone.

Here's a quote from Satoshi demonstrating his belief that he could just arbitrarily change the block size in the future and people would simply accept it:

Quote from: satoshi on October 04, 2010, 03:48:40 PM

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.

Yup, satoshi was delusional if he thought his project would be taken in a serious fashion if we needed to follow the "vision" of some random guy like a cult. The thing is, his so called vision was flawed, you can find many stuff that contradicts itself, and you can find stuff that in 2017 is no longer relevant or doesn't apply.

Bitcoin without him is much better. He was way too much of a polarizing figure. Maybe he realized this himself and that is why he disappeared, assuming he wasn't scared off due Gavin's picnic at the CIA.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on August 10, 2017, 09:51:42 AM

we need to create a system that will actually scale and work in the real world while dealing with actual issues such as bandwidth, storage, decentralization, and consensus.

impossible.
but a lot of people continue wasting their time implemening perpetuum mobile in economics Grin

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Quote from: 9op on August 10, 2017, 09:41:54 AM

I see a lot of comments from both sides of the scaling debate, both very strongly believing that their side (be it core, or big blockers), is the true representation of "Satoshi's vision, as obviously expressed in his whitepaper."

Who is right? What is "satoshi's vision", really? Are people twisting words too much or adding their own unfounded opinions?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Satoshi's vision doesn't really matter. He's not here, and we need to create a system that will actually scale and work in the real world while dealing with actual issues such as bandwidth, storage, decentralization, and consensus.

In Satoshi's vision, he claimed that he'd just make decisions on his own and everyone would do whatever he decided. In the real world that wouldn't be true even if he was still here, and it certainly isn't true now that he's gone.

Here's a quote from Satoshi demonstrating his belief that he could just arbitrarily change the block size in the future and people would simply accept it:

Quote from: satoshi on October 04, 2010, 03:48:40 PM

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.

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I see a lot of comments from both sides of the scaling debate, both very strongly believing that their side (be it core, or big blockers), is the true representation of "Satoshi's vision, as obviously expressed in his whitepaper."

Who is right? What is "satoshi's vision", really? Are people twisting words too much or adding their own unfounded opinions?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

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