What is the actual state of crypto currency in India?

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Quote from: lordquanta on October 10, 2019, 10:02:28 AM

Current situation is almost bleak and authorities are trying to not make bitcoin or crypto related issues break into the mainstream media.
It is almost of like a shadow banned situation for crypto.

Let's wait for the hearing which is supposed to be on court on 15th Oct,hope it well goes for the investors side.

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Current situation is almost bleak and authorities are trying to not make bitcoin or crypto related issues break into the mainstream media.
It is almost of like a shadow banned situation for crypto.

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 17, 2019, 10:26:50 AM

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 14, 2019, 10:09:05 AM

There is no official announcement from the court regarding the crypto case which means we can still hold and trade cryptocurrencies.
The RBI is against cryptocurrencies which is why they have told the banks to freeze accounts of people dealing with cryptocurrencies.
If we give the remarks related to cryptocurrencies then surely the banks will find out that we are dealing in cryptocurrencies and they will freeze our accounts.
Once the account is freezed we can't do any transactions from that account. The only option then left would be to go to the bank and close your account and get the cash withdrawn.
So it's better if we take measures so that the banks don't find out that we are dealing in crypto. This way we would be able to use crypto for long.

But this logic is correct?

When government has to take decision on something the banks were banned it!

So its like they are doing something against the government or its okay to do so!

You have got it all wrong.

According to my understanding, the RBI is the head of all the banks of India. The RBI has the rights to implement new rules which has to be followed by all the banks in India. This does not mean that the government of India has said the RBI to pass the rules. In fact the government has not announced any laws on crypto which gives the right to RBI freeze the bank accounts of any crypto users. So this is the maximum thing that can happen to you as of now. Once the government passes new rules and regulations for crypto, everybody including the RBI will have to follow those rules.

But their stupid ban on cryptos never stopped the crypto trading in India but it makes the black market for bitcoin and people still using the bank accounts for transferring amount.So they actually going in the wrong side by having this ban for traders.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 15, 2019, 12:14:22 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on September 14, 2019, 10:09:05 AM

There is no official announcement from the court regarding the crypto case which means we can still hold and trade cryptocurrencies.
The RBI is against cryptocurrencies which is why they have told the banks to freeze accounts of people dealing with cryptocurrencies.
If we give the remarks related to cryptocurrencies then surely the banks will find out that we are dealing in cryptocurrencies and they will freeze our accounts.
Once the account is freezed we can't do any transactions from that account. The only option then left would be to go to the bank and close your account and get the cash withdrawn.
So it's better if we take measures so that the banks don't find out that we are dealing in crypto. This way we would be able to use crypto for long.

But this logic is correct?

When government has to take decision on something the banks were banned it!

So its like they are doing something against the government or its okay to do so!

You have got it all wrong.

According to my understanding, the RBI is the head of all the banks of India. The RBI has the rights to implement new rules which has to be followed by all the banks in India. This does not mean that the government of India has said the RBI to pass the rules. In fact the government has not announced any laws on crypto which gives the right to RBI freeze the bank accounts of any crypto users. So this is the maximum thing that can happen to you as of now. Once the government passes new rules and regulations for crypto, everybody including the RBI will have to follow those rules.

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 14, 2019, 10:09:05 AM

There is no official announcement from the court regarding the crypto case which means we can still hold and trade cryptocurrencies.
The RBI is against cryptocurrencies which is why they have told the banks to freeze accounts of people dealing with cryptocurrencies.
If we give the remarks related to cryptocurrencies then surely the banks will find out that we are dealing in cryptocurrencies and they will freeze our accounts.
Once the account is freezed we can't do any transactions from that account. The only option then left would be to go to the bank and close your account and get the cash withdrawn.
So it's better if we take measures so that the banks don't find out that we are dealing in crypto. This way we would be able to use crypto for long.

But this logic is correct?

When government has to take decision on something the banks were banned it!

So its like they are doing something against the government or its okay to do so!

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There is no official announcement from the court regarding the crypto case which means we can still hold and trade cryptocurrencies.
The RBI is against cryptocurrencies which is why they have told the banks to freeze accounts of people dealing with cryptocurrencies.
If we give the remarks related to cryptocurrencies then surely the banks will find out that we are dealing in cryptocurrencies and they will freeze our accounts.
Once the account is freezed we can't do any transactions from that account. The only option then left would be to go to the bank and close your account and get the cash withdrawn.
So it's better if we take measures so that the banks don't find out that we are dealing in crypto. This way we would be able to use crypto for long.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 08:39:27 AM

They exactly pointed out your transaction details or asked in general? If they asked with particular reference then the chances of from bank is high.I never get any calls like these but you also don't have to give any of your confidential details while someone called and saying they are from banks.

It was not some random call, i verified before attending the call and it came from my Axis bank branch where i hold the account. They specially asked about one paytm transaction someone sent me last year and the main point they inquired is whether i trade virtual currency. Is this some form of evidence collection from IT office through banks Huh

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Maybe, because even if you don't show your earnings, I know few people who trade cryptocurrencies and show their earnings exactly as the same and pay taxes over it. Maybe, to cross check with you whether the trade was actually happened between you both or not could be the case here. I faced the same situation when once my Kotak Bank head contacted me (after RBI ban) to ask me the same question because he already knew that I used to deal in Bitcoins (I already clarified this at the time of opening my account there but thank God I still have my account safe there). Fortunately, I stopped taking money for my crypto deals in my Kotak Bank account and started using a different account to settle such transactions in cash through the same.

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Quote from: RapTarX on September 13, 2019, 07:49:26 AM

It's pretty understandable, you can have a transaction with cryptocurrency but we are not going to assist you anymore, do it in your responsibility. That was a stupid move from RBI. I guess someday, they will reverse the decision.

RBI have ban which means if they found users trading cryptos means they can freeze their accounts.BUt when government didn't banned something but the central bank did how the law will act in these situation is very confusing.

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It's pretty understandable, you can have a transaction with cryptocurrency but we are not going to assist you anymore, do it in your responsibility. That was a stupid move from RBI. I guess someday, they will reverse the decision.

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 12, 2019, 08:15:56 AM

I called back after a while after a conversation with my CA and when i called the bank back they said they do not know who called me and there is no inquiry they are aware of. Has anyone encountered these in the past.

Interesting, if the inquiry wasn't a part of the bank, who did this? I never encountered this probably because I am at the moment not in India, in fact, for years. Have you left your identity somewhere in the cryptocurrency-related forum, blogs etc.? Probably a hacker?

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Quote from: avikz on September 12, 2019, 01:38:56 PM

Quote from: akram143 on September 11, 2019, 01:25:44 AM

As far as I know its neither banned not illegal to use as well but RBI banned it so what will be the result if someone uses banks to trade the crypto currencies on p2p sites like localbitcoin.

It's confusing! The cryptos are not banned officially but RBI has banned banking services to crypto related businesses! We bloody don't know what the hell in ongoing! Our age old politicians are employing "one-exam-wonder" IAS officers to write a report and these IAS officers are only seeing negatives in it! A typical orthodox mentality that we can expect from a religious government!

However, if you trade through localbitcoins website, then you should not face any issue unless your volume is really high and doesn't match with your transaction history. lets assume your are a service man who earns 50k per month and you suddenly receive 5 lacks in your bank account, then it would obviously ring few bells! But if you can keep the volume within an acceptable amount like 50k - 1 lack, then you should not face any issue! Just keep low profile and don't talk about it anywhere!

Even they used wrong terms to mention about the cryptos on the draft proposed in this year so this shows that they are having no knowledge about crypto currencies but they are appointed to examine about the rypto currencies,such a wonderful management from government!

Atleast they can ask suggestions from blockchain expert which is growing faster in the recent days in India.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 10:35:55 AM

IT has not business in this matter as long as you pay your taxes accordingly since India didn't banned the crypto currencies yet.
So this might be just the verification call from the bank or other agencies if you are going to take loan or something.

Let me clear these to you, i do not need any loan from any bank, i am sure it was a verification call from the bank to know whether i used to trade virtual currency, i will have some clarity when i land home next month.

Quote from: erikalui on September 12, 2019, 10:56:48 AM

Never to attend such calls from the bank as even if they call, just tell them you'll meet in the bank. Did they ask you about any details and did you check on truecaller if it was the contact number of the bank? It may have been a fraud call.

They called my parents first and got my number which i am using abroad and the call is from Axis bank land phone number of my branch, when they specifically asked about virtual currency trade i was perplexed as all of the transaction i did before are with all the exchanges before the ban and all of the transaction clearly mentions bitcoin transaction in their records too, they specifically asked about a transaction from paytm and that too below 1000 rupees and all of my P2P trades are conducted using Wazirx and hence i am not sure of the source. I called the bank again after consulting with my financial team to have a clear picture on why the inquiry is made and they said they never made any call regarding any inquiry and i forwarded the call record to the managers personal number and i am yet to get a response from them. I will get to the bottom of this soon and will further post regarding this.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 11, 2019, 01:25:44 AM

As far as I know its neither banned not illegal to use as well but RBI banned it so what will be the result if someone uses banks to trade the crypto currencies on p2p sites like localbitcoin.

It's confusing! The cryptos are not banned officially but RBI has banned banking services to crypto related businesses! We bloody don't know what the hell in ongoing! Our age old politicians are employing "one-exam-wonder" IAS officers to write a report and these IAS officers are only seeing negatives in it! A typical orthodox mentality that we can expect from a religious government!

However, if you trade through localbitcoins website, then you should not face any issue unless your volume is really high and doesn't match with your transaction history. lets assume your are a service man who earns 50k per month and you suddenly receive 5 lacks in your bank account, then it would obviously ring few bells! But if you can keep the volume within an acceptable amount like 50k - 1 lack, then you should not face any issue! Just keep low profile and don't talk about it anywhere!

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Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 06:53:03 AM

I guess they can't take anyone's money by freezing account because as per their terms when user want to close their account or terminate then bank need to refund all their funds in their savings or any other account,right?

They won't take the money but rather keep it on hold till they get a satisfactory answer from the customer. People who have their accounts frozen have either given up or have kept on corresponding with them. Since it's not hacked money, they should unfreeze it after some warning because crypto is not yet banned or considered illegal.

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 12, 2019, 08:15:56 AM

There is no clear notification about the banning of BTCitcoin but i got a phone call from Axis bank last week asking about a particular transaction i did last year and inquired whether i do virtual currency transaction, i was taken back when he asked that and i said i have done that in the past as most of the transaction i did with coinsecure and unocoin are noted as bitcoin transaction and i questioned what is the purpose of these inquiries but the person behind the call said they got a inquiry about those transaction and so is the reason they are calling.
I called back after a while after a conversation with my CA and when i called the bank back they said they do not know who called me and there is no inquiry they are aware of. Has anyone encountered these in the past.

Never to attend such calls from the bank as even if they call, just tell them you'll meet in the bank. Did they ask you about any details and did you check on truecaller if it was the contact number of the bank? It may have been a fraud call.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 12, 2019, 09:56:45 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 08:39:27 AM

They exactly pointed out your transaction details or asked in general? If they asked with particular reference then the chances of from bank is high.I never get any calls like these but you also don't have to give any of your confidential details while someone called and saying they are from banks.

It was not some random call, i verified before attending the call and it came from my Axis bank branch where i hold the account. They specially asked about one paytm transaction someone sent me last year and the main point they inquired is whether i trade virtual currency. Is this some form of evidence collection from IT office through banks Huh

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IT has not business in this matter as long as you pay your taxes accordingly since India didn't banned the crypto currencies yet.

So this might be just the verification call from the bank or other agencies if you are going to take loan or something.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 08:39:27 AM

They exactly pointed out your transaction details or asked in general? If they asked with particular reference then the chances of from bank is high.I never get any calls like these but you also don't have to give any of your confidential details while someone called and saying they are from banks.

It was not some random call, i verified before attending the call and it came from my Axis bank branch where i hold the account. They specially asked about one paytm transaction someone sent me last year and the main point they inquired is whether i trade virtual currency. Is this some form of evidence collection from IT office through banks Huh

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 12, 2019, 08:15:56 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 11, 2019, 01:25:44 AM

As far as I know its neither banned not illegal to use as well but RBI banned it so what will be the result if someone uses banks to trade the crypto currencies on p2p sites like localbitcoin.

There is no clear notification about the banning of BTCitcoin but i got a phone call from Axis bank last week asking about a particular transaction i did last year and inquired whether i do virtual currency transaction, i was taken back when he asked that and i said i have done that in the past as most of the transaction i did with coinsecure and unocoin are noted as bitcoin transaction and i questioned what is the purpose of these inquiries but the person behind the call said they got a inquiry about those transaction and so is the reason they are calling.
I called back after a while after a conversation with my CA and when i called the bank back they said they do not know who called me and there is no inquiry they are aware of. Has anyone encountered these in the past.

They exactly pointed out your transaction details or asked in general? If they asked with particular reference then the chances of from bank is high.I never get any calls like these but you also don't have to give any of your confidential details while someone called and saying they are from banks.

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Quote from: akram143 on September 11, 2019, 01:25:44 AM

As far as I know its neither banned not illegal to use as well but RBI banned it so what will be the result if someone uses banks to trade the crypto currencies on p2p sites like localbitcoin.

There is no clear notification about the banning of BTCitcoin but i got a phone call from Axis bank last week asking about a particular transaction i did last year and inquired whether i do virtual currency transaction, i was taken back when he asked that and i said i have done that in the past as most of the transaction i did with coinsecure and unocoin are noted as bitcoin transaction and i questioned what is the purpose of these inquiries but the person behind the call said they got a inquiry about those transaction and so is the reason they are calling.
I called back after a while after a conversation with my CA and when i called the bank back they said they do not know who called me and there is no inquiry they are aware of. Has anyone encountered these in the past.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 12, 2019, 04:12:12 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 02:50:21 AM

So they will freeze the accounts permanently which involved dealing with the crypto currencies? So what will happen to the funds on that account? Blocked as well?

Not permanently I guess. You will need to contact the manager and explain your reasons of dealing in crypto and the procedure would be tough as RBI has issued a ban. If they don't listen, you can contact your lawyer but still since RBI has banned it, chances are less. Never heard about a case where the user has managed to unfreeze their bank account dealing with crypto. Sometimes the bank issues a warning before freezing the account which gives you time to remove your money.

I guess they can't take anyone's money by freezing account because as per their terms when user want to close their account or terminate then bank need to refund all their funds in their savings or any other account,right?

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Quote from: akram143 on September 12, 2019, 02:50:21 AM

So they will freeze the accounts permanently which involved dealing with the crypto currencies? So what will happen to the funds on that account? Blocked as well?

Not permanently I guess. You will need to contact the manager and explain your reasons of dealing in crypto and the procedure would be tough as RBI has issued a ban. If they don't listen, you can contact your lawyer but still since RBI has banned it, chances are less. Never heard about a case where the user has managed to unfreeze their bank account dealing with crypto. Sometimes the bank issues a warning before freezing the account which gives you time to remove your money.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 11, 2019, 04:43:24 PM

Currently it's a bank ban means if the bank gets to know you are selling/buying cryptocurrency, they'll freeze your account and many users have got notices also from banks like HDFC/SBI: https://prnt.sc/p4x3en

So they will freeze the accounts permanently which involved dealing with the crypto currencies? So what will happen to the funds on that account? Blocked as well?

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