What is wrong with theymos and the other mods?

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Quote from: meono on August 18, 2015, 01:03:52 PM

Quote from: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 10:47:32 AM

There is so much shame in the forum it has literally became unsustainable. No one should trust bitcointalk anymore. Only a fool would.

well what can you expect of a forum where :

1) Mods dont care if scammers run their schemes wide open and PROVEN scammers too
2) Trust feeback system is abused and again Mods dont care. If its not working, REMOVE IT
3) Buy and sell accts, so the naive noobs can be exposed to "reputable" member.

Quick, post another silly Adventures of Thermos cartoon. That'll show'em! Roll Eyes

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating. The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

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Quote from: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 10:47:32 AM

There is so much shame in the forum it has literally became unsustainable. No one should trust bitcointalk anymore. Only a fool would.

well what can you expect of a forum where :

1) Mods dont care if scammers run their schemes wide open and PROVEN scammers too
2) Trust feeback system is abused and again Mods dont care. If its not working, REMOVE IT
3) Buy and sell accts, so the naive noobs can be exposed to "reputable" member.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 11:36:27 AM

Seriously, that quote is basically what you are saying.

Are you sure, that you never said it was an conspiracy?
And sorry, if you don't see, that your view is biased, than I can't help you. There is so much bullshit going on on both sites of this debate, but you just see the bullshit on one site.

I was asking if I had used the exact words :"Other people are just too stupid to understand." In case that I haven't, it is easy to misinterpret someones opinion. I did not call it exactly a conspiracy though. Well you might think that I'm biased due to me not saying similar stuff about Core. However, I'm fully aware of planned shill support from both sides.
My point actually was (I never got to mention it here due to plethora of threads) that they (developers, including Hearn and Gavin) should have never allowed themselves to get in a situation where they would be playing a chess game with the community.

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 11:36:27 AM

I just realized, you but words in my quote, I haven't written, without marking them (I guess, it was an honest mistake, but still)

It looks like, while correcting my own post I had mistakenly made an addition to yours as well. I apologize. I have fixed this.

I just realized that we had completely drifted away from the original point of this thread! We drifted away and it has become off-topic. If you would like to discuss further I'd suggest using PM, or a different thread (share the link).

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Quote from: Lauda on August 18, 2015, 10:23:36 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 08:10:12 AM

ad 1) "Other people are just too stupid to understand"--> Yes, that is arrogance, like it or not.
ad 2) 3) You exactly prove my point. The fake email should be disregarded, but some newbie accounts are a conspiracy. That is a biased view.
ad 4) And again, we have hypocrisy:
Dictatorship from Hearn--> such a bad thing
Dictatorship from other devs --> Oh yes please, we need that so much.
-snip-

Where did you find that quote, as I can't find it? I might have gotten a little bit carried away on that one (still can't find it), so I would like to correct it.
I never said that they were a conspiracy (not that unusual here), nor is my view biased. If it was, I would say that the mail is real and satoshi is right (negative view of XT).
What Hearn is proposing is nowhere near what we have today. He's essentially saying that he would implement stuff even if a lot of people are against it. I have not see this happen with Core (yet).

Update: Some corrections and additions.

Seriously, that quote is basically what you are saying.

Are you sure, that you never said it was an conspiracy?

Quote from: Lauda on August 17, 2015, 11:40:41 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

And this is different from every other bitcointalk discussion... how?

I'm solely talking about shills that are defending XT, which makes me think this was carefully planed some time before it started. Your first post was made in this very thread.

Sound like a conspiracy in my book.

And sorry, if you don't see, that your view is biased, than I can't help you. There is so much bullshit going on on both sites of this debate, but you just see the bullshit on one site.

btw. speaking about wrong quotes

Quote from: Lauda on August 17, 2015, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: turvarya on August 17, 2015, 02:30:26 PM

and btw. that is one of the points, that make this discussion so ridiculous: all this conspiracy theories and calling everybody a shill or sockpuppet (often newbies, jr. members) , that is not the same opinion even from respected members(and yes, it is on both sides)

I just realized, you but words in my quote, I haven't written, without marking them (I guess, it was an honest mistake, but still)

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There is so much shame in the forum it has literally became unsustainable. No one should trust bitcointalk anymore. Only a fool would.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 08:10:12 AM

ad 1) "Other people are just too stupid to understand"--> Yes, that is arrogance, like it or not.
ad 2) 3) You exactly prove my point. The fake email should be disregarded, but some newbie accounts are a conspiracy. That is a biased view.
ad 4) And again, we have hypocrisy:
Dictatorship from Hearn--> such a bad thing
Dictatorship from other devs --> Oh yes please, we need that so much.
-snip-

Where did you find that quote, as I can't find it? I might have gotten a little bit carried away on that one (still can't find it), so I would like to correct it.
I never said that they were a conspiracy (not that unusual here), nor is my view biased. If it was, I would say that the mail is real and satoshi is right (negative view of XT).
What Hearn is proposing is nowhere near what we have today. He's essentially saying that he would implement stuff even if a lot of people are against it. I have not see this happen with Core (yet).

Update: Some corrections and additions.

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Quote from: arnuschky on August 18, 2015, 08:59:01 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 08:10:12 AM

So, can you point me to an explanation from theymos?
I haven't seen one, but I could just have missed it.

Would like to see that too.

Quote from: theymos on August 09, 2015, 10:18:04 PM

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 08:10:12 AM

Dictatorship from Hearn--> such a bad thing
Dictatorship from other devs --> Oh yes please, we need that so much.

This is something that really bothers me as well - loads of hypocrisy in this debate.

Quote from: -ck on August 18, 2015, 05:57:20 AM

So, can you point me to an explanation from theymos?
I haven't seen one, but I could just have missed it.

Would like to see that too.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Finally a responds from a Staff member, and then it is a meme?
Great job, you guys are doing, very professional ...

CK's meme was perfect, LOL.

XT is an altcoin, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

Try not to be such a poor sport about it, old chap. The already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.

Perhaps you'd be happier with your fellow Gavinistas over at /v/bitcoinXT?

I promise you CK won't be posting any memes at you over there. Cheesy

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Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on August 18, 2015, 03:30:12 AM

In my opinion they made a choice and it is that Xt is not the path of BTC development in its present form.
While it may not be a real satoshi post it does ring a true sentiment that it is a minority of users that want to move to Xt while the rest are still determining the best possible alternatives and options worth consideration.

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Agree with all but the last sentence. Given the robust technical and social rebuff of the Gavinista's XT attack, I have been quite satisfied (and often delighted) watching the present situation unfold.

Particularly hilarious is the buttrage of the reddit millennials who just discovered Bitcoin is not presently built to scale, nor is it a democracy, nor will their foot stamping and strong feelings make the slightest bit of difference no matter how much they whine.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 18, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Don't be so arrogant, seriously. It is not the right way in your opinion. That doesn't mean that other people don't have other opinions.
-snip-
So, what? Nothing unusual on this forum. Do you really want me to find you a similar example of someone, who is against XT?
Your view is just biased.
What do you think about the fake-Satoshi-mail? Why don't you call that a big conspiracy?

That doesn't make any sense at all. Do you mean, that the blockchain will somehow check, if you are running the "right" client. That might be your dictatorship-dream, but it is not possible.

1) You're wrong, nor am I being arrogant. Something can not be buggy in my opinion, nor have I tested those patches myself (they are bad). My opinion has been formed after extensive research related to both XT and Hearn, which I unfortunately can not say for most people.
2) You asked for a example, and now I'm biased? Interesting.
3) It is fake, and thus should just be disregarded.
4) Dictator dream:

Quote

The clearest statement I've seen on governance has been by Mike Hearn on our podcast. He said that there should be a benevolent dictator who makes the final calls and if people don't like it they can fork the code and convince users to switch.

Hard to accomplish? Maybe. Impossible? I doubt that.

ad 1) "Other people are just too stupid to understand"--> Yes, that is arrogance, like it or not.
ad 2) 3) You exactly prove my point. The fake email should be disregarded, but some newbie accounts are a conspiracy. That is a biased view.
ad 4) And again, we have hypocrisy:
Dictatorship from Hearn--> such a bad thing
Dictatorship from other devs --> Oh yes please, we need that so much.

Quote from: -ck on August 18, 2015, 05:57:20 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Finally a responds from a Staff member, and then it is a meme?
Great job, you guys are doing, very professional ...

That's because there are already dozens of threads about this already. See any thread about Theymos censoring XT and so on...

So, can you point me to an explanation from theymos?
I haven't seen one, but I could just have missed it.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Finally a responds from a Staff member, and then it is a meme?
Great job, you guys are doing, very professional ...

That's because there are already dozens of threads about this already. See any thread about Theymos censoring XT and so on...

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Quote from: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Don't be so arrogant, seriously. It is not the right way in your opinion. That doesn't mean that other people don't have other opinions.
-snip-
So, what? Nothing unusual on this forum. Do you really want me to find you a similar example of someone, who is against XT?
Your view is just biased.
What do you think about the fake-Satoshi-mail? Why don't you call that a big conspiracy?

That doesn't make any sense at all. Do you mean, that the blockchain will somehow check, if you are running the "right" client. That might be your dictatorship-dream, but it is not possible.

1) You're wrong, nor am I being arrogant. Something can not be buggy in my opinion, nor have I tested those patches myself (they are bad). My opinion has been formed after extensive research related to both XT and Hearn, which I unfortunately can not say for most people.
2) You asked for a example, and now I'm biased? Interesting.
3) It is fake, and thus should just be disregarded.
4) Dictator dream:

Quote from: -ck on August 18, 2015, 05:57:20 AM

That's because there are already dozens of threads about this already. See any thread about Theymos censoring XT and so on...

Way too many, yet people keep opening threads for the same discussions over and over again.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 18, 2015, 03:21:44 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 17, 2015, 03:09:06 PM

What exactly are you questioning? He supports it, he even made a thread about it.
And I don't wonder, that other people don't show their stance, like I said, the whole thing has become so ridiculous.

I'm questioning why. XT is not the right way, especially not with the implemented "patches" and controversial ideas that Hearn has.

Don't be so arrogant, seriously. It is not the right way in your opinion. That doesn't mean that other people don't have other opinions.

Quote from: turvarya on August 17, 2015, 03:09:06 PM

Do quote one of this new accounts.

Here is one of the accounts, usually insulting non XT supporters.

Quote from: turvarya on August 17, 2015, 03:09:06 PM

You should be long enough on this forum to know, that this also happens all the time. It even happens in small discussions. No big conspiracy there, just people who use the anonymity of the internet.

There you have it, first post.

So, what? Nothing unusual on this forum. Do you really want me to find you a similar example of someone, who is against XT?
Your view is just biased.
What do you think about the fake-Satoshi-mail? Why don't you call that a big conspiracy?

Quote from: turvarya on August 17, 2015, 03:09:06 PM

I am not sure, what you want to tell me.

That you will not possibly be able to run such a client.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Do you mean, that the blockchain will somehow check, if you are running the "right" client. That might be your dictatorship-dream, but it is not possible.

Quote from: -ck on August 18, 2015, 04:41:47 AM

Finally a responds from a Staff member, and then it is a meme?
Great job, you guys are doing, very professional ...

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