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enigmazr

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Quote from: Dasneko on June 09, 2013, 10:29:06 PM

In the case where its blind luck that decides if your hash is the right one Quantum Computers suffer a major drawback. Since there is no definite "right answer" you cant "cheat" your way to the right hash using quantum functions and the actual calculation is so simple that you wont gain anything from using other properties of quantum mechanics to speed it up.

Can you substantiate your claim in terms of the mathematics involved? Specifically, how doesn't quantum speedup translate to greater hashing?

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Quote from: Dasneko on June 09, 2013, 10:29:06 PM

This is based on the notion that bit mining is a lottery.

In the case where its blind luck that decides if your hash is the right one Quantum Computers suffer a major drawback. Since there is no definite "right answer" you cant "cheat" your way to the right hash using quantum functions and the actual calculation is so simple that you wont gain anything from using other properties of quantum mechanics to speed it up.

Its more cost efficient to get inexpensive ASIC's that hardly cost anything to run.

and someone with a brain has answered the question

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This is based on the notion that bit mining is a lottery.

In the case where its blind luck that decides if your hash is the right one Quantum Computers suffer a major drawback. Since there is no definite "right answer" you cant "cheat" your way to the right hash using quantum functions and the actual calculation is so simple that you wont gain anything from using other properties of quantum mechanics to speed it up.

Its more cost efficient to get inexpensive ASIC's that hardly cost anything to run.

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Quote from: socket on June 09, 2013, 09:48:54 PM

I think you just hit the jackpot on buzzword bingo.

actually, that's how you describe the engineering involved.

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Threads like this make me giddy with anticipation of the meme's complaining about the new 900000000% difficulty increase since the first asic was invented. We will look back and cherish these memories. lol

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Quote from: spike420211 on June 09, 2013, 08:56:42 PM

any ASIC is fixed transistor location
fixed transistor sizing.
the routing connections done [aluminum/copper] are custom.
Full-custom allows re-sizing and specific placement of transistors,
optimizing speed, possibly minimizing heat/power.
The fact thet they can even do this in USB allows for a paradigm
with an order of magnitude improvement available,
maybe before full custom.

I think you just hit the jackpot on buzzword bingo.

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any ASIC is fixed transistor location
fixed transistor sizing.
the routing connections done [aluminum/copper] are custom.
Full-custom allows re-sizing and specific placement of transistors,
optimizing speed, possibly minimizing heat/power.
The fact thet they can even do this in USB allows for a paradigm
with an order of magnitude improvement available,
maybe before full custom.

socket

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Quote from: spike420211 on June 09, 2013, 08:35:44 PM

full-custom is the next step up from ASIC.
You're talking budgets of Intel/AMD/NVIDIA to build these.
I imagine the budget for a USB full-custom, using way fewer transistors,
would be hella cheaper.
And on a smaller volume scale- think TI/Linear Technologies/Analog Devices/International Rectifier.

I don't see Bitcoin as the driving force for quantum computing,
but Butterfly Labs gets rendered obsolete.
[You'll still need GPU's for SolidWorks and 3D printing]

BFL is full custom ASIC design...

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These faster and smaller chips will likely be even more expensive than ASIC's.

not necessarily, see my post above this.

spike420211

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full-custom is the next step up from ASIC.
You're talking budgets of Intel/AMD/NVIDIA to build these.
I imagine the budget for a USB full-custom, using way fewer transistors,
would be hella cheaper.
And on a smaller volume scale- think TI/Linear Technologies/Analog Devices/International Rectifier.

I don't see Bitcoin as the driving force for quantum computing,
but Butterfly Labs gets rendered obsolete.
[You'll still need GPU's for SolidWorks and 3D printing]

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These faster and smaller chips will likely be even more expensive than ASIC's.

enigmazr

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Quote from: J35st3r on June 09, 2013, 08:01:04 PM

Quote from: enigmazr on June 09, 2013, 07:55:35 PM

This vision may be years or decades out, but it seems inevitable that as we began to realize the power of quantum computing, its applicability to Bitcoin mining will become all that more salient.

Applied ~~pablovium~~ Phlebotinum (TV Tropes)

Edit Oops mis-remembered, took a while to cross-check (doesn't help that I'm on a RasPi with two background vanitygen's running). Still pablovium sounds pretty good too.

I totally agree that quantum computing is phlebotinum; however, quantum information processing does exist as a burgeoning science. The scientific journal Quantum Information Processing is a testament to the field's credibility. For those who haven't peeked into the machine, a quantum computer may very well serve as a black box that is fueled by pixie dust. However, those of us who have a deep understanding about quantum computing see the potential it may serve to the bitcoin community.

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Yep, just faster, smaller chips.

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Quote from: enigmazr on June 09, 2013, 07:55:35 PM

This vision may be years or decades out, but it seems inevitable that as we began to realize the power of quantum computing, its applicability to Bitcoin mining will become all that more salient.

Applied ~~pablovium~~ Phlebotinum (TV Tropes)

Edit Oops mis-remembered, took a while to cross-check (doesn't help that I'm on a RasPi with two background vanitygen's running). Still pablovium sounds pretty good too.

enigmazr

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Quote from: J35st3r on June 09, 2013, 07:53:35 PM

We did this already https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/life-after-asic-227285

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess I could specify that I'm curious as to the nature of how quantum computers could be used to mine. I speculate that they would operate at a higher hashrate.

enigmazr

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This is how I see the score.

	Quantum Computing	Classical Computing
Speed	+++ J35st3r full member Activity: 196 Merit: 100 Re: What lies beyond ASICs? June 09, 2013, 07:53:35 PM #5 We did this already https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/life-after-asic-227285 But I'm new, so it probably comes up twice a week. Newbie forum is like Groundhog Day (the film), stuff just keeps happening, again and again (and again)^oo. mprep global moderator Activity: 3766 Merit: 2610 In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce Re: What lies beyond ASICs? June 09, 2013, 07:38:02 PM #4 Quote from: cp1 on June 09, 2013, 07:34:05 PM Faster smaller cheaper chips Much, much faster. It'll simply completely eliminate the purpose of gpu mining. cp1 hero member Activity: 616 Merit: 500 Stop using branwallets Re: What lies beyond ASICs? June 09, 2013, 07:34:05 PM #3 Faster smaller cheaper chips enigmazr newbie Activity: 27 Merit: 0 Re: What lies beyond ASICs? June 09, 2013, 07:32:32 PM #2 Ok, and that amounts to what? A board with hundreds of chips? Pages: « 1 2 3 » Bitcoin Forum>Other>Beginners & Help Jump to: © 2020, Bitcointalksearch.org

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