What outsiders know or say about Bitcointalk.

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Well, some information on these websites is simply outdated, some things is just wrong. There is nothing surprising about. People from outside can't know things better than these who are regular on Bitcointalk.

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1. It did not recognise Bitcointalk as the largest Bitcoin Forum.

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What Is Bitcointalk?

Today, Bitcointalk is one of the largest online forums where people can ask questions and discuss topics related to Bitcoin, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency in general. The forum was created by the infamous inventor of Bitcoin itself — Satoshi Nakamoto, in November 2009.

I think that by saying "one of largest online forums" they talk not just about Bitcoin forums. It's about all forums from all categories - cars, food, IT and all other stuff. Because probably there is not that many forums online with over 3.4 million registered users.
Offcourse, I may be wrong. It may be just nitpicking.

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Having 14 merits in my post is giving me joy. I did not expect it. Thank you LoyceV for increasing my merit to full member merit.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 30, 2022, 12:35:23 PM

I think that theymos also added a link in the evil fee notification that those affected by it see on their screens. Can anyone confirm that? LoyceV?

Confirmed (by creating a new test-account months ago).

Quote from: Pmalek on January 31, 2022, 03:36:20 AM

I don't think that's a new feature for Bitcointalk staff. I am pretty sure they could do that even before the first forum users were selected to perform the same task.

Correct.

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I was just wondering if there are any new regular users who should be mentioned.

If they want to be mentioned, they'll have to announced it by themselves. Even years ago I read some non-Mods can whitelist users, but I don't know who they are.

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Quote from: SFR10 on January 30, 2022, 03:54:09 PM

Quote from: theymos on July 19, 2021, 03:25:17 PM

(All Staff can already whitelist users, as well.)

Yes, I saw that part in theymos' post as well. But I don't think that's a new feature for Bitcointalk staff. I am pretty sure they could do that even before the first forum users were selected to perform the same task. I was just wondering if there are any new regular users who should be mentioned.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 27, 2022, 01:46:43 PM

I have introduced alot of crypto newbies to this forum and after registering, they are told they can't post until they've paid a fee for the evil their IP committed, as hilarious as it sounds, the fees are very small but due to the fact this guys are very new to crypto, some find it very difficult to pay and end up abandoning the forum and their account,

A couple of workarounds:

For smaller fees, they could've tried faucets that "paid and still pay directly" to external addresses.
Register another account with a different IP.

Quote from: Pmalek on January 30, 2022, 02:59:59 AM

Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free.
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Not sure if more people can do it in the meantime.

From the above link ^{[credit goes to yourself ]}:

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Quote from: theymos on July 19, 2021, 03:25:17 PM
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(All Staff can already whitelist users, as well.)

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 30, 2022, 12:35:23 PM

I think that theymos also added a link in the evil fee notification that those affected by it see on their screens. Can anyone confirm that? <...>

When I tried it out during last summer, the related proxyban message I captured did include a reference to a list of people that could whitelist an account:

The "here" link leads to this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/remove-proxyban-evil-fees-email-to-get-whitelisted-for-free-5350260
(I just tried it out again to make sure it pointed to the same link).

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Quote from: Daniel91 on January 30, 2022, 07:34:07 AM

I'm glad that this has now been resolved in this way and that good members can now get around this problem when registering on the forum.

I think that theymos also added a link in the evil fee notification that those affected by it see on their screens. Can anyone confirm that? LoyceV?
If that wasn't the case, newbies wouldn't even know there is such an option on the forum. The evil fee thread has not been stickyed at the top of the B&H sub and we don't have a welcome message that would point new users to that thread. The thread is currently located on Page #3 in B&H. I will use this opportunity to bump it.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 30, 2022, 02:59:59 AM

Quote from: Coyster on January 27, 2022, 03:27:30 PM

...just explain this to them and since they will probably be newcomers, you can also assist them to pay the fee, cause it's a really small amount, and if they are still reluctant, then their bad.

A few trusted members have been given permission to whitelist newbies so that they can access the forum without having to pay evil fees. So if you are a newbie who has never been here before and the forum asks you to pay an evil fee, you should check out this thread > Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free. LoyceV is one of those who can whitelist you. The others are SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack, and Upgrade00. Not sure if more people can do it in the meantime.

Thanks for this detailed information.
I knew about LoyceV but not about these other members.
In fact, this evil fee was an unfortunate measure and a reason why some good members gave up this forum, which I know from personal experience.
I'm glad that this has now been resolved in this way and that good members can now get around this problem when registering on the forum.
As for the forum itself, what others will say or think about our forum will always depend solely on us, the members of this forum.
If we build and manage to maintain a representative bitcoin and crypto forum, a central place for quality discussion and exchange of crypto information, then we will have a large influx of new members.
If we fail to maintain such a standard, then we can't expect to be attractive and interesting to other potential members.

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Quote from: Coyster on January 27, 2022, 03:27:30 PM

...just explain this to them and since they will probably be newcomers, you can also assist them to pay the fee, cause it's a really small amount, and if they are still reluctant, then their bad.

A few trusted members have been given permission to whitelist newbies so that they can access the forum without having to pay evil fees. So if you are a newbie who has never been here before and the forum asks you to pay an evil fee, you should check out this thread > Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free. LoyceV is one of those who can whitelist you. The others are SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack, and Upgrade00. Not sure if more people can do it in the meantime.

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Nicely complied, but I won't think much about what people say about the forum from outside instead we should focus more on what the in forum users think about the forum, outsiders don't know what goes on in the forum so they just assumed but the occupant do but scared to speak up. As a users that have stayed active on the forum I can tell you for a fact we have a high number of toxic people here, people that think they're above others either due to their geographical or educational background, and you know what's disturbing the younger generation (new users) inherit this traits and treats others (mostly lower rank) in the same manner.

Understandable spammers and scammers has made the fourm a little bit not so conducive for discussion but that doesn't mean you should go around treating users especially newbies in the way we do. It can be very discouraging, kudos though to the users that take time in correcting the upcoming without them many won't have levelled up on the forum.

This should be a friendly forum and yes you can correct people without having to sounds harsh and hurtful, I know it doesn't matter as we're all entitled to our opinion but someone just have to say it.

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Many people have said diverse things about the website with which we are today; some have said that it's a scammy website and that people get dubed of thier cash and coins each time the log online to make a trust-trading business.. , some have said that the platform isn't active and is boring ...
I use to ask myself why these people end up saying this things and I discover that this is thier own view in terms of understanding crypto as a platform.
Outsiders might think differently since they ain't involved and registered in here but you're here and you know the achievements that you've made outta the forum, likewise the forum itself so that's not a problem

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 27, 2022, 01:46:43 PM

makes me sometimes wonder if an IP that's never been used to access the forum can actually commit evil on its first day of access the forum.

See this quote from Theymos, I think it'll better clarify things/you.

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New users can now immediately start posting unless they are using suspicious IPs. Suspicious IPs are ones that have been banned previously, or are known proxies, or are near many banned/proxy IPs. If you register using a suspicious IP, you can use most forum features (watchlist, etc.), but you can't post or send PMs until you pay a small fee. In almost all cases, the fee is less than $1. People proxybanned in this way can also be whitelisted by the usual people who can do whitelisting. These IP bans apply only to registration: you can no longer get caught by random IP bans if you're using an established account.

Thus if the IP address of the people you introduced isn't somewhat suspicious, then they definitely wouldn't get the "evil fees" message, if they do get it, then the forum has prolly marked/banned their IP's (as being suspicious), or that of those (IP's) close to them (that's what Theymos meant by "known proxies" above), just explain this to them and since they will probably be newcomers, you can also assist them to pay the fee, cause it's a really small amount, and if they are still reluctant, then their bad.

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This is a very good resource for knowledge and the fact it's coming from a member rank is also a huge plus.
Most of the things the op discussed is new to me even with my long stay in the forum, i must say kudos, what's done well is worth appreciating.
One thing I still don't understand about this forum till date is the evil fees, I have introduced alot of crypto newbies to this forum and after registering, they are told they can't post until they've paid a fee for the evil their IP committed, as hilarious as it sounds, the fees are very small but due to the fact this guys are very new to crypto, some find it very difficult to pay and end up abandoning the forum and their account, makes me sometimes wonder if an IP that's never been used to access the forum can actually commit evil on its first day of access the forum.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on January 26, 2022, 05:41:01 AM

So far I have reported more than 1000 spam posts on this forum mostly made by bounty posters with 0 quality. Some of them noticed and started changing after their 50 or so posts were deleted but some others maintained 0 quality of their every posting activity. But a good newbie is one who is willing to read more and can build his account reputation with good quality posts.

You have done your work preety well by reporting such posts to the moderators because they didn't contribute anything on the forum but the fact is you will find pile of bounty hunters shitposting on the forum in some boards.You will find out that they have hundreds of posts apart from bounty submissions and activity matching to some high rank members but with zero merits on them which clearly shows how the hell they are writing up.

If their scope is limited to bounty submission then we don't feel any problem as they are contributing nothing to forum bad as well and have their own way of seeing this forum but if you are serious about growth then focus on enhancing your knowledge not rank because your rank will not decide whether you have knowledge about something or not but your post quality will automatically show this up to everyone and your merits will be rewarded and ranking up.But no we still find some members going the other way around and creating some abandon path for themselves that will lead them to road of darkness but gaining knowledge will lead them to bitcoin light path on this heavenly forum.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 26, 2022, 02:13:17 AM

At the first meeting with the forum, some newcomers do not always understand its value and come to it with only one purpose of earning. And to increase the benefits, they also create several alternative accounts. I have often encountered this situation. People sometimes change their minds after earning negative tags. And then we see a person who seems to be not a beginner but begins to appreciate his account and begins to take a deeper interest in bitcoin. I don't see anything wrong with people making a mistake and wanting to change. I also know many examples. It is better to stumble and realize that to constantly resurrect under other names, having only the goal of deception behind your soul.

Of course, I can know it well.
I agree how people can rise up and change their attitude for the better and contribute ^[spammers] but scammers will remain scammers because they can't be trusted forever.

So far I have reported more than 1000 spam posts on this forum mostly made by bounty posters with 0 quality. Some of them noticed and started changing after their 50 or so posts were deleted but some others maintained 0 quality of their every posting activity. But a good newbie is one who is willing to read more and can build his account reputation with good quality posts.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on January 26, 2022, 01:19:53 AM

But as long as they don't post things like spam, attempted scam, and other things that harm other people then their existence in my opinion doesn't matter. They have the same rights to use this free forum as any other user.

At the first meeting with the forum, some newcomers do not always understand its value and come to it with only one purpose of earning. And to increase the benefits, they also create several alternative accounts. I have often encountered this situation. People sometimes change their minds after earning negative tags. And then we see a person who seems to be not a beginner but begins to appreciate his account and begins to take a deeper interest in bitcoin. I don't see anything wrong with people making a mistake and wanting to change. I also know many examples. It is better to stumble and realize that to constantly resurrect under other names, having only the goal of deception behind your soul.

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Quote from: dataispower on January 26, 2022, 12:35:44 AM

I believe you, because you will some experience that newbie will share that is meaningful and current, that knowledge is not some thing some got from outside before coming to the forum is either the newbie have being chest out before and it come back with new account, some suggestions newbies answer is surprise to me, is research that makes them good enough or they are here already

Some newbies are old users who create new accounts because they want to do something better regardless of whether they were previous scammers or indeed users who left the forum for some other reason. You'll probably know how they got things started here with a fair amount of knowledge that might differ from other newbies who don't even know what a merit system is if they don't have friends or better reading interests.

But as long as they don't post things like spam, attempted scam, and other things that harm other people then their existence in my opinion doesn't matter. They have the same rights to use this free forum as any other user.

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Quote from: aysg76 on January 25, 2022, 06:43:10 AM

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless..

Many of the people outside the forum does not know much about the forum. They write anything they like as long as they have litte knowledge.
But I have seen some that know very much about the forum. I suspect that it is people that are in the forum or have being in the forum that wrote those ones.

Indeed. There are plenty of scammers who have had to ditch their accounts and come back as a newbie to start over. That’s why users with old accounts that haven’t been destroyed by attacks and controversy are viewed as pretty amazingly trustworthy people by this point. I know after the 2013 bubble deflated in 2014, suddenly a lot of users did questionable things and came back as newbies with 2015-now registration dates. I have so much respect for the guys that came in from 2010-2013 and are still here doing positive things because I know how difficult that is.

I believe you, because you will some experience that newbie will share that is meaningful and current, that knowledge is not some thing some got from outside before coming to the forum is either the newbie have being chest out before and it come back with new account, some suggestions newbies answer is surprise to me, is research that makes them good enough or they are here already

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How can we expect an another news site will say bitcointalk is the biggest bitcointalk forum? News are also centralized so they publish what they want the people to see now what is the reality.

Bitcointalk created by Satoshi who is the creator of bitcoin as well which is enough. Even when I entered I didn't realize how important this forum is but now everything changed.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on January 25, 2022, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: aysg76 on January 25, 2022, 06:43:10 AM

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless..

Many of the people outside the forum does not know much about the forum. They write anything they like as long as they have litte knowledge.
But I have seen some that know very much about the forum. I suspect that it is people that are in the forum or have being in the forum that wrote those ones.

Indeed. There are plenty of scammers who have had to ditch their accounts and come back as a newbie to start over. That’s why users with old accounts that haven’t been destroyed by attacks and controversy are viewed as pretty amazingly trustworthy people by this point. I know after the 2013 bubble deflated in 2014, suddenly a lot of users did questionable things and came back as newbies with 2015-now registration dates. I have so much respect for the guys that came in from 2010-2013 and are still here doing positive things because I know how difficult that is.

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