What Satoshi can do to Protect Dorian without Doxxing himself

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Quote from: BTCLuke on March 06, 2014, 07:07:32 PM

Dear Satoshi, (The real one)
Here's a way you can protect that poor guy in California without revealing your own identity:
1. Quickly go to some famous landmark far away from Temple city California.
2. Grab today's newspaper once there, and a disposable camera.
3. Write on the newspaper (but not over the date) that Dorian Nakamoto is not you, and you have not revealed your real name.
4. Take a picture with the disposable camera of the newspaper and the landmark together.

4.5 Ask a friend in a remote city to perform steps 1-4 and email you the photo, then

Quote from: BTCLuke on March 06, 2014, 07:07:32 PM

5. Using a net cafe or other safe spot, send the picture to news outlets and us, using your PGP key that confirms you are you.

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Quote from: kgo on March 06, 2014, 09:06:07 PM

Doesn't prove anything unless Dorian is held in captivity. The 'real' satoshi could:

1. Add an expiration date on his key for tomorrow.

2. Use --export-secret-subkeys to generate a private key that doesn't contain a certification key.

3. Send that to a confederate half way across the world. Have confederate do everything you want: take a picture, etc.

4. Confederate destroys his copy of the private key without publishing it to the key server. It's worthless after it expires anyway. The expiration never hits the keyservers. He can't up the expiration date because he doesn't have the certification key.

5. Real satoshi is the only one who can sign messages after the confederate's key expires.

This is all true, (if not extreme) but I think the plan in the OP would be enough to make the press do an about face... These guys don't seem to care about researching too much.

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Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 08:54:27 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:51:01 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:48:07 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:32:11 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

You missed the point. Its not about proving who the real Satoshi is. Its about telling the world Dorian isnt Satoshi.

Gee.... Take that long for you to get it huh? or do you?

No still don't get it.

If a transaction was sent from Satoshi's wallet, with a message like "you've got the wrong guy, keep looking", then couldn't that have been actually sent by Dorian? Therefore we're none the wiser, right?

LOL thats why we have geographical proof that its not possible for Dorian to send such txt.

I'm done with you, i'm not patient enough for "gifted" ppl

Thats why I stopped I got the impression this guy would not be happy unless Sir satoshi him self opened his wallet in front of him.

AArgh please seriouscoin, there's no need to be a dick about it. I was responding to RiverBoatBTC, who said all that needed to be done was to send a message from Satoshi's wallet, and that alone would prove that Dorian wasn't the real Satoshi. I responded that no, geographical proof was needed (like you said). RiverBoatBTC never mentioned any geographical proof in any of his posts, just that the sending of the message would be enough.

Even geographical proof could be faked to be honest, It would need to be pretty conclusive to be 100% proof

I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, so easy on the attitude.

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Doesn't prove anything unless Dorian is held in captivity. The 'real' satoshi could:

1. Add an expiration date on his key for tomorrow.

2. Use --export-secret-subkeys to generate a private key that doesn't contain a certification key.

3. Send that to a confederate half way across the world. Have confederate do everything you want: take a picture, etc.

4. Confederate destroys his copy of the private key without publishing it to the key server. It's worthless after it expires anyway. The expiration never hits the keyservers. He can't up the expiration date because he doesn't have the certification key.

5. Real satoshi is the only one who can sign messages after the confederate's key expires.

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Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:51:01 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:48:07 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:32:11 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

You missed the point. Its not about proving who the real Satoshi is. Its about telling the world Dorian isnt Satoshi.

Gee.... Take that long for you to get it huh? or do you?

No still don't get it.

If a transaction was sent from Satoshi's wallet, with a message like "you've got the wrong guy, keep looking", then couldn't that have been actually sent by Dorian? Therefore we're none the wiser, right?

LOL thats why we have geographical proof that its not possible for Dorian to send such txt.

I'm done with you, i'm not patient enough for "gifted" ppl

Thats why I stopped I got the impression this guy would not be happy unless Sir satoshi him self opened his wallet in front of him.

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Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:48:07 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:32:11 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

You missed the point. Its not about proving who the real Satoshi is. Its about telling the world Dorian isnt Satoshi.

Gee.... Take that long for you to get it huh? or do you?

No still don't get it.

If a transaction was sent from Satoshi's wallet, with a message like "you've got the wrong guy, keep looking", then couldn't that have been actually sent by Dorian? Therefore we're none the wiser, right?

LOL thats why we have geographical proof that its not possible for Dorian to send such txt.

I'm done with you, i'm not patient enough for "gifted" ppl

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Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:32:11 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

You missed the point. Its not about proving who the real Satoshi is. Its about telling the world Dorian isnt Satoshi.

Gee.... Take that long for you to get it huh? or do you?

No still don't get it.

If a transaction was sent from Satoshi's wallet, with a message like "you've got the wrong guy, keep looking", then couldn't that have been actually sent by Dorian? Therefore we're none the wiser, right?

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Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:19:58 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:08:18 PM

Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

He should send a small amount of BTC to somebody with a message attached from his bitcoin address. The message should be some what taunting of the news media and make them feel like asses. This would be the only 100% way to verify its him

How does this prove whether it's the real Satoshi or not? Either Dorian would send it from his basement, or the real satoshi would send it from somewhere else. All it proves is that the real satoshi hasn't lost his private keys, it doesn't tell you which is which, amirite??

(for the record I'm pretty sure it's not the real guy, and there's not enough evidence to prove anything, that story should never have been published and it's fucking disgraceful how that journalist put all his pictures and details together in a high profile story, fucking sucker of satan's cock so she is... (bless you Bill Hicks Grin

)

The msg can be a link to a pic with computer screen as part of the background (just take a pic of say..... Disney Orlando) Unless Dorian can teleport to Orlando, that would prove enough.

Better yet Satoshi doesnt even need to broadcast the txt, he can created a raw transaction thats signed with his private key and send that raw txt to every media companies. (in the future you can even use radio freq to broadcast txt)

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

You missed the point. Its not about proving who the real Satoshi is. Its about telling the world Dorian isnt Satoshi.

Gee.... Take that long for you to get it huh? or do you?

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Quote from: seriouscoin on March 06, 2014, 08:19:58 PM

Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:08:18 PM

Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

He should send a small amount of BTC to somebody with a message attached from his bitcoin address. The message should be some what taunting of the news media and make them feel like asses. This would be the only 100% way to verify its him

How does this prove whether it's the real Satoshi or not? Either Dorian would send it from his basement, or the real satoshi would send it from somewhere else. All it proves is that the real satoshi hasn't lost his private keys, it doesn't tell you which is which, amirite??

(for the record I'm pretty sure it's not the real guy, and there's not enough evidence to prove anything, that story should never have been published and it's fucking disgraceful how that journalist put all his pictures and details together in a high profile story, fucking sucker of satan's cock so she is... (bless you Bill Hicks Grin

)

The msg can be a link to a pic with computer screen as part of the background (just take a pic of say..... Disney Orlando) Unless Dorian can teleport to Orlando, that would prove enough.

Better yet Satoshi doesnt even need to broadcast the txt, he can created a raw transaction thats signed with his private key and send that raw txt to every media companies. (in the future you can even use radio freq to broadcast txt)

Yeah that's similar the the OP strategy which is plausible. All I meant was, simply sending a message in a transaction from a wallet known to be Satoshi's doesn't prove who the real Satoshi is.

You're correct in saying that some sort of geographical proof is needed (but maybe the real Satosh lives in California too... Shocked

)

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Quote from: Maged on March 06, 2014, 08:15:42 PM

The best way to stay hidden is for people to believe that you are no longer hidden at all... by using a fall guy. I hate to say it, but if I were Satoshi, I would be just fine with everyone else assuming that I was someone else. It's easy to stay hidden if nobody is looking.

well said

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Quote from: protokol on March 06, 2014, 08:08:18 PM

Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

He should send a small amount of BTC to somebody with a message attached from his bitcoin address. The message should be some what taunting of the news media and make them feel like asses. This would be the only 100% way to verify its him

How does this prove whether it's the real Satoshi or not? Either Dorian would send it from his basement, or the real satoshi would send it from somewhere else. All it proves is that the real satoshi hasn't lost his private keys, it doesn't tell you which is which, amirite??

(for the record I'm pretty sure it's not the real guy, and there's not enough evidence to prove anything, that story should never have been published and it's fucking disgraceful how that journalist put all his pictures and details together in a high profile story, fucking sucker of satan's cock so she is... (bless you Bill Hicks Grin

)

The msg can be a link to a pic with computer screen as part of the background (just take a pic of say..... Disney Orlando) Unless Dorian can teleport to Orlando, that would prove enough.

Better yet Satoshi doesnt even need to broadcast the txt, he can created a raw transaction thats signed with his private key and send that raw txt to every media companies. (in the future you can even use radio freq to broadcast txt)

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Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:41:41 PM

How would him sending 1 bitcent show potential weakness... please explain this? All the message has to say is, "they have the wrong guy keep looking"

The best way to stay hidden is for people to believe that you are no longer hidden at all... by using a fall guy. I hate to say it, but if I were Satoshi, I would be just fine with everyone else assuming that I was someone else. It's easy to stay hidden if nobody is looking.

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This shitstorm just added an other layer of smokescreen around satos , Well done.

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Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

He should send a small amount of BTC to somebody with a message attached from his bitcoin address. The message should be some what taunting of the news media and make them feel like asses. This would be the only 100% way to verify its him

How does this prove whether it's the real Satoshi or not? Either Dorian would send it from his basement, or the real satoshi would send it from somewhere else. All it proves is that the real satoshi hasn't lost his private keys, it doesn't tell you which is which, amirite??

(for the record I'm pretty sure it's not the real guy, and there's not enough evidence to prove anything, that story should never have been published and it's fucking disgraceful how that journalist put all his pictures and details together in a high profile story, fucking sucker of satan's cock so she is... (bless you Bill Hicks Grin

)

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Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:58:12 PM

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Once criminals realize that they can get BTC from Satoshi by placing an innocent persons life in jeopardy, it could get very nasty.

It's best that Satoshi ignore this situation completely. Few people even know that Satoshi still lives.

If Satoshi were to present himself to the world as a moral man; he would have tough choices ahead. Criminals will try to capitalize on morality.

How are they getting BTC from satoshi by sending .001 to a random address with a message attached to it?
This is the way it works if you are confused

Step 1. Satoshi opens his wallet
Step 2. He sends .001 bitcoin to a random address could even be a new one he makes so he can keep his bitcents lol
step 3. Attach a message for all to see
step 5. bitcoin community in awe that satoshi did something, and someone does have control of that very large wallet lol

where are you getting extortion out of this lol?

I'd be willing to bet you he deleted those private keys to his millions. Or at least he will claim to have done so...

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Quote from: RiverBoatBTC on March 06, 2014, 07:58:12 PM

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Once criminals realize that they can get BTC from Satoshi by placing an innocent persons life in jeopardy, it could get very nasty.

It's best that Satoshi ignore this situation completely. Few people even know that Satoshi still lives.

If Satoshi were to present himself to the world as a moral man; he would have tough choices ahead. Criminals will try to capitalize on morality.

How are they getting BTC from satoshi by sending .001 to a random address with a message attached to it?
This is the way it works if you are confused

Step 1. Satoshi opens his wallet
Step 2. He sends .001 bitcoin to a random address could even be a new one he makes so he can keep his bitcents lol
step 3. Attach a message for all to see
step 5. bitcoin community in awe that satoshi did something, and someone does have control of that very large wallet lol

where are you getting extortion out of this lol?

Have you ever played poker?

Satoshi can't show the world who he is. There are people who want what he has; others simply want him dead. Knowing what motivates him is a weakness that would be exploited.

If Satoshi comes out of nowhere and reveals that this guy isn't Satoshi, what about the next person accused? Then followed by a hundred others while the situation becomes more and more dangerous.

Satoshi can't do anything in direct response to this event without putting people at risk.

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Why are you people in denial? I'm not saying for sure, but i'm pretty confident this man is nakamoto.

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Once criminals realize that they can get BTC from Satoshi by placing an innocent persons life in jeopardy, it could get very nasty.

It's best that Satoshi ignore this situation completely. Few people even know that Satoshi still lives.

If Satoshi were to present himself to the world as a moral man; he would have tough choices ahead. Criminals will try to capitalize on morality.

How are they getting BTC from satoshi by sending .001 to a random address with a message attached to it?
This is the way it works if you are confused

Step 1. Satoshi opens his wallet
Step 2. He sends .001 bitcoin to a random address could even be a new one he makes so he can keep his bitcents lol
step 3. Attach a message for all to see
step 5. bitcoin community in awe that satoshi did something, and someone does have control of that very large wallet lol

where are you getting extortion out of this lol?

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