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AIs are basically just machines that can calculate stuff that would take too long for humans to do. Most of them are basically just super-machines, and the ideas that AIs make are just basically off of humans. It's like the limits of an AI is nonexistent onto humans, and the limit of humans is nonexistent onto AIs. A collaborative effort between the two ( I say collab but I doubt humans would let AIs become an independent entity) is the way for continuous development, and humans learning how to take advantage of what AIs can do is a step forward.

Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 10:46:31 AM

Communists tried that it failed ...

In the end govs either will have to put high taxes on companies that use AI / robotos ... or they will have to prepare for civil wars ...

It's a dangerous road that we are on now ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cwi0pkhoSE

We should be starting to create/develop EMP bombs ,rockets etc , computer viruses ,worms etc anything that can kill robots and AI

War is coming ... man vs machine

I'm pretty sure you're overreacting right now. Heck, development of AIs haven't even been proved to be useful for constant usage as well, they've only been proven that they can learn, but to what extent? Also man vs machine? If it does come true, let's be real here, that would take more than a few decades. Even centuries. An AI learning of literally everything and is big enough to learn that much would take a lot of time to make, and I doubt anyone would even allow such a thing to be made.

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Quote from: South Park on August 05, 2020, 01:43:10 PM

Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

Is this our future :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

The AI potential is simply unlimited, there is nothing that cannot be eventually be performed by a computer, the issue like always is how much it is going to cost compared to human labour, in the cases where computers doing the job are a better proposition we will see major replacement of human labour by computers and robots, but in the instances in which this is not the case humans will still thrive for a time.

BTW Great reference to the Twilight Zone even if Mr Wordsworth becomes obsolete by political reasons and not by AI.

The AI Potential is marvelous, and it does a excellent job. For god's sake it is being created by a human. Economic crises were part of development, just on developing AI doesn't gonna get things done perfectly. Maybe the crisis level gets lowered, but we can't state there won't be any further economic crises.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on August 05, 2020, 03:31:14 PM

They don't make painting or music or any other sort of creative tasks, they are merely imitating it. At this point we don't even know if artificial consciousness is possible or not. There's no need to panic that computers will replace everything. And when machines do replace things, it's a net gain for society. In the future jobs will be about something that only humans can do, and with all the routine stuff being automated, mass-produces goods will be so cheap that people will have to work much less than they do now.

It would really be great if we do able to see that kind of future on where people doesnt need to work hard in all aspects due to this innovation or discovery but we cant really avoid the fact that to those who work
on Tech industry would be hardly slapped yet they would really be replaced soon if this one would be implemented or integrated but i agree that there are thing which AI cant do but only for us people whom capable of
but why would need to oppose if that time comes? Technology is evolving and we would surely adapt it when its there.

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 04:09:16 AM

Robots are painting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTjEi7O4Ic

Ai is making music now also

https://experiments.withgoogle.com/ai/ai-duet/view/

So doing creative stuff will not save us

They don't make painting or music or any other sort of creative tasks, they are merely imitating it. At this point we don't even know if artificial consciousness is possible or not. There's no need to panic that computers will replace everything. And when machines do replace things, it's a net gain for society. In the future jobs will be about something that only humans can do, and with all the routine stuff being automated, mass-produces goods will be so cheap that people will have to work much less than they do now.

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

Is this our future :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

The AI potential is simply unlimited, there is nothing that cannot be eventually be performed by a computer, the issue like always is how much it is going to cost compared to human labour, in the cases where computers doing the job are a better proposition we will see major replacement of human labour by computers and robots, but in the instances in which this is not the case humans will still thrive for a time.

BTW Great reference to the Twilight Zone even if Mr Wordsworth becomes obsolete by political reasons and not by AI.

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

Is this our future :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

AI is based on artificial machine learning models while humans have brains that power our mechanism. As such, AI and other technology are programmed to do certain things while human beings are flexible and dynamic.

one of the things that AI cant do is creativity...human can be creative and even create better technologies. So, we shall dwell more on work improving our creativity in order to have edge above AI.

But, Neuralink is going to solve this challenge as it will link AI and human brains. the book called "3S Rules" explain this...

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Quote from: avikz on August 05, 2020, 05:29:08 AM

While businesses are getting benefited, we are loosing jobs. So the business empowerment is premised upon our own de-empowerment. Not sure what skills will help us to survive! Probably some skills that requires human emotions to take charge!

People don't see the forest for the trees

If there is no effective demand, i.e. no demand backed by the ability to pay, this automation doesn't make sense. Okay, you can lay off thousands of people, but who will be buying your goods and services if most people are now unemployed? One way or another, the society will readjust, some fields will disappear (like accounting) and new fields will necessarily emerge to support all this extra production. It is a natural process, and if you are willing to learn throughout your entire life, you should actually welcome these new developments as they open new opportunities. Just don't sit on your hands

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Quote from: tbterryboy on August 05, 2020, 10:26:15 AM

We could all get stuff for free and nobody would ever have to work, there would be no rich, there would be no poor, everyone would be living life without a single worry.

Communists tried that it failed ...

In the end govs either will have to put high taxes on companies that use AI / robotos ... or they will have to prepare for civil wars ...

It's a dangerous road that we are on now ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cwi0pkhoSE

We should be starting to create/develop EMP bombs ,rockets etc , computer viruses ,worms etc anything that can kill robots and AI

War is coming ... man vs machine

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Humanity could always become "obsolete" in the business end of things but isn't that the purpose in the end? Wouldn't it be awesome if we all have another world, like Mars for example that we conquer and move to as humanity and have the earth back to what it used to be as a great place and have robots working to build us planes, rockets, food, furniture and basically every single thing we need?

Just have a whole world that sole existence is automatically build stuff for the humanity, wouldn't that be just amazing? We could all get stuff for free and nobody would ever have to work, there would be no rich, there would be no poor, everyone would be living life without a single worry. That Is what robots and improved technology promises, unless it is used by evil people for evil purposes.

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I find the video interesting but I think it's too early to reach or if it's even possible that we will reach that phase where humans are the ones who will adjust to AIs and computers when humans made them in the first place. And I think, we cannot avoid getting affected by economic crises especially when you are living in a country that is facing a crisis.

Quote from: Findingnemo on August 05, 2020, 07:26:00 AM

And economic crisis could be arise for different reasons, what a computer can do if the whole world is under natural disaster situation?

I agree with this, there are things that computers and AI cannot do to prevent or save the economy from an economic crisis like natural disasters.

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We are too early in the development of AI,all we can do with them ks searching the things we wanted.We still need humans to analyse the bugs and flaws present it so it means they aren't complete AI.

And economic crisis could be arise for different reasons, what a computer can do if the whole world is under natural disaster situation?

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

Apparently, yes and I'm one of the individual that have lost his job robotic process automation but been creative and developing skills in developer, IT, blockchain, computer engineering, mechanical, graphics, language translator, and electronic device are what most companies look for these days which the reason I'm taking online classes in front/back end.

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

Is this our future :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

I don't think something like this will happen soon, since when people thought about 2020 , 100 years before they thought about flying cars and stuff like that , now they have to realize that these things takes time.

Like a lot of time.

Thinking about robots being out future is something that I don't want to consider since , then we have chances of artificial intelligence taking over . At the same time we would make most of the people jobless if they started using them everywhere.

What we need to do to invade this crisis :

Take care of your expenditures , there is one golden advice *never buy anything expensive whose value will decrease over time*

Mobile and cars , people spend like 10000's on them , when even a middle range one would be good to go.

Never run after Brands *

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:05 AM

What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

computer programming still seems like a good way to go. if you replace workers with robots and algorithms and machines, you still need humans who can code and maintain them, at least for the foreseeable future.

highly technical (engineering/mechanics) jobs come to mind as being relatively automation-proof. so do highly interpersonal (teachers/social workers/therapists) jobs.

the primary concern right now is the replacement of unskilled, menial laborers who perform jobs that can be easily/cheaply automated. don't be one of those people.....

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Quote from: spy100 on August 05, 2020, 04:09:16 AM

Quote from: jackg on August 05, 2020, 03:55:16 AM

EVERYONE gets effected by an economic crisis in capitalism - its the tradeoff...

Is there something specific you're referring to here? If it's work then you'll either have to become a creative or an engineer. For investments, don't pull out after a drop...

Robots are painting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTjEi7O4Ic

Ai is making music now also

https://experiments.withgoogle.com/ai/ai-duet/view/

So doing creative stuff will not save us

Essentially we are creating our own doomsday. Millions of jobs are already lost due to robotic automation. In my previous company, the senior management has implemented RPA (robotic process automation) for majority of the accounting jobs through a software called automation anywhere. Earlier they used to have around 50 people to take care of the entire accounting process, now they need only 5 to check the contras thrown by RPA. Remaining all are done automatically.

While businesses are getting benefited, we are loosing jobs. So the business empowerment is premised upon our own de-empowerment. Not sure what skills will help us to survive! Probably some skills that requires human emotions to take charge!

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Computers/AI can't stop the will of GOD(for those who know & believe HE exists) and they can't by themselves , without the guidance of GOD(the true CREATOR of everything) take the right decision that will lead humanity to good path or path that does not lead to evil, choas, & destruction.
I think man-made *independent* "smart things" can't be consistently moral because the CREATOR's spirt does not dwell in "temple" made with human hands. Computer/AI will even need to be completely developed(if GOD approves) by humans who have the SPIRIT of GOD in them. The computer/AI has to be totally subjected to GOD's law and will,and constantly guided by those who have GOD's SPIRIT in them.
You really need to always do what is right in the sight of GOD to have HIS SPIRIT dwell in you always.

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Quote from: jackg on August 05, 2020, 03:55:16 AM

EVERYONE gets effected by an economic crisis in capitalism - its the tradeoff...

Is there something specific you're referring to here? If it's work then you'll either have to become a creative or an engineer. For investments, don't pull out after a drop...

Robots are painting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTjEi7O4Ic

Ai is making music now also

https://experiments.withgoogle.com/ai/ai-duet/view/

So doing creative stuff will not save us

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EVERYONE gets effected by an economic crisis in capitalism - its the tradeoff...

Is there something specific you're referring to here? If it's work then you'll either have to become a creative or an engineer. For investments, don't pull out after a drop...

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What should you learn so you never get affected by economic crises ?

Humans should learn to do what computers / ai can't do ...Question is what computers can't do ?

Is this our future :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

Are we going to become Obsolete like Mr. Wordsworth the librarian ?

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