Topic: What started this bear trend? - page 3. (Read 700 times)
I also feel that the main reason, is unfortunately, some manipulations. You shouldn't be cryptorich, you can be just rich, and so enter cryptos and shift the market. Market cap is huge, but not comparable with fiats, so it's very possible. Low circulation due to Hodl also negatively effects prices
Hello, I have been hearing many rumors going around saying the rich are manipulating the market? does this statement uphold its value?
There are more chances to it. The shakes and whales do occupy major portion and holds back which in turn does not support the growth. When the coins are circulated the value grows up but when there is no circulation, the value remains the same or does not manipulate much growth.
I saw a Crypto expert has said that Rothschild family and other main capitalists do it.
People need to stop thinking in this kind of conspiracy theories, bitcoin went down because it was necessary, it was impossible to maintain the growth we were seeing, then people panicked and this made the crash faster and more profound than it should be and the price is not recovering basically because now people are afraid this could happen again. 
This is the cause of whales selling their crypto currency a consensus formed by group of people to dip the price then sell again when the price surge. Some say that this is because of some trading site's bug being exploited and hackers get free bitcoins. Some say that scammers is manipulating the prices through spoofing and producing fake transaction in order for people to buy or sell their coin.
Truly whales are trying to control the market, they are probably holding a large amounts of bitcoin. Evidently they want lead the market value be in drop or dip in their two cents. It’s more likely that they are taking advantages of FUD syndrome to earn a big benefit. With this kind of strategy, whales make many investors, traders be in panic and afterwards selling their coin unnecessarily. Exactly whales will buy that bitcoin and when they buy enough bitcoin, they will control the market. 
This is the cause of whales selling their crypto currency a consensus formed by group of people to dip the price then sell again when the price surge. Some say that this is because of some trading site's bug being exploited and hackers get free bitcoins. Some say that scammers is manipulating the prices through spoofing and producing fake transaction in order for people to buy or sell their coin.
Truly whales are trying to control the market, they are probably holding a large amounts of bitcoin. Evidently they want lead the market value be in drop or dip in their two cents. It’s more likely that they are taking advantages of FUD syndrome to earn a big benefit. With this kind of strategy, whales make many investors, traders be in panic and afterwards selling their coin unnecessarily. Exactly whales will buy that bitcoin and when they buy enough bitcoin, they will control the market. 
Yep there is conspiracy theory that's been circulating the internet since the bearish trend began and that is whales manipulating the market to buy cheap bitcoins. But this is really what's going on, there is a recent news that 120 billion crypto coins has been stolen from an exchange site, government's regulating crypto's. Google and facebook banning ICO ads. I think this maybe the more believable cause.
Hello, I have been hearing many rumors going around saying the rich are manipulating the market? does this statement uphold its value?
I think it's true because if we look at purchases and sellers we can see if any big investment really will change the market value, so essentially all the coins in the amount of the average for the number of investors, 
this bearish trend occurs because the global economy slows down and can be practically down from the previous year. unemployment rate increases, FUD is spread everywhere, trade balance deficit. negative corporate profits and other factors such as, negative news that keeps coming to hit the crypto currency market and many more to consider!. this situation makes some users and traders panicked and continue to sell the coins they hold. if such things continue the market will continue to weaken and difficult to grow again, the positive side of this bearish trend is usually always a reflection to re-see the bullish market, the price will usually exceed the previous nominal, even likely to create new record values.
It is maybe due to panic and artificial negative cloud created by the whales.
This reduces the confidence of juvenile traders and likewise the market value.
This reduces the confidence of juvenile traders and likewise the market value.
Market is not easy and sometimes it seems absurd but actually it is not so. Trading and investing is not a simple action there are a lot of reasons which need to be analysed and trades who has not enough experience consider that somebody cheats them and manipulate market. It is not true. Look at gold it has the very long positive trend and anyone might buy and hold it several years. And nobody tell you exactly why crypto market are now bearish.
That is usually the thing. There would always be market makers as they are the ones who simply call the shot in every market and they are definitely in this market which I believe we can also refer to them as the institution and whales. However, everything is still based on the outside and I am sure there is really no way we cannot expect them not to keep making more money out of the noobs without experience who just want to make money from trading over night and there trading without any form of experience or knowledge.Yeah, I wish people would stop blaming "the bears" and "panic sellers". Without market makers, no market. No takers, no market. No volume, no nothing. We just have to accept that there are always both sides to the market and maybe much of it is going on AS they want it to, not as we think they are. People are all making livings of these things, why reduce their efforts to emotion, panic, FUD, etc?
Market is not easy and sometimes it seems absurd but actually it is not so. Trading and investing is not a simple action there are a lot of reasons which need to be analysed and trades who has not enough experience consider that somebody cheats them and manipulate market. It is not true. Look at gold it has the very long positive trend and anyone might buy and hold it several years. And nobody tell you exactly why crypto market are now bearish.
That is usually the thing. There would always be market makers as they are the ones who simply call the shot in every market and they are definitely in this market which I believe we can also refer to them as the institution and whales. However, everything is still based on the outside and I am sure there is really no way we cannot expect them not to keep making more money out of the noobs without experience who just want to make money from trading over night and there trading without any form of experience or knowledge.
actually in this bearish trend we have to be smart in choosing a strategy to stay in transact, this bearish trend is also very high up a value, usually after the end of this bearish trend we will find the trend of a very pleasant bullish market and give us a lot of profit. I have several strategies to deal with this bearish market trend, such as;
first, buying stocks that grow. in this case, we can only buy shares from companies that have sales and profits that are still growing. If sales and profits are still growing, no matter how low the stocks, it will rise dramatically if it is in normal condition.
second, buying stocks while the sector is good. there is the opinion that no matter how good a stock (or the company that issued the shares), will not give a good price if the sector is not good enough or even ugly. therefore, be sure to only buy good stocks that are also in a good sector.
these are the two things I always do when a bearish trend occurs so I can keep trading even in small amounts.
first, buying stocks that grow. in this case, we can only buy shares from companies that have sales and profits that are still growing. If sales and profits are still growing, no matter how low the stocks, it will rise dramatically if it is in normal condition.
second, buying stocks while the sector is good. there is the opinion that no matter how good a stock (or the company that issued the shares), will not give a good price if the sector is not good enough or even ugly. therefore, be sure to only buy good stocks that are also in a good sector.
these are the two things I always do when a bearish trend occurs so I can keep trading even in small amounts.
My question is, if you holds a lot of amount of bitcoins and other top alternative coins, you are almost whale god in crypto market, it's depend on you if what do you want to do the value of bitcoin, is that right?
Being a whale alone isn't enough to manipulate the market, you need to have some help from your co-whales to shake the market.It is not they are doing what they want to set the price of bitcoin base on what they like. Price of bitcoin is still depending on supply and demand.
Any solution for this, to avoid manipulation of crypto markets?
There's no solution for this manipulation, this has been the problem even in other the same markets. Oligarchs in real economy, hoarders and other types of manipulators can't be gone.Market doesn't think what we think. it actually do opposite , so it's useless to think on short term if you are not a day trader. My theory is hold good coins for at least five years and you are good to go.
It is possible that big players from the market want to sell their existing position form the coin and want to buy in new coin or the new ICO which is coming due to which the small correction can happen as they are the million dollar investors. SO in relation many people do panic selling and this reason worsen as market tends to fall.
My question is, if you holds a lot of amount of bitcoins and other top alternative coins, you are almost whale god in crypto market, it's depend on you if what do you want to do the value of bitcoin, is that right? Any solution for this, to avoid manipulation of crypto markets?
Well, let's say you have a significant amount of a coin's trading volume and you want to sell it all. You can first set the current market's price, but you will sell the coins so fast that people, seeing that a significant amount was sold will start selling their coins as fast as they can. For these purposes they'll keep lowering the prices for their orders to be filled. So, basically, yes, a lot of things depend on you if you own a significant amount of money. Avoiding such manipulations can be done only by more people joining the market, so that nobody's stake is big enough for significant manipulations. I thought it was the case with top cryptocurrencies, but I realize that it might be wrong, as the current market situation is very poor.
It's always a challenge to invest or trade in cryptos. Price movement is not only influenced by the state of information but someone who has a large capital we called as a whales is the next challenge that must be accepted by every user cryptos. They have a large capital so that if the brand goes to market then market price will increase, and will many people will buy and when they (whales) out of the market market will decrease again.
Well that's true that those rich people or the popular term for them is "whales" are accountable for this market. They are manipulating that with few increase 5-10% they'll sell, buy at dip rinse and repeat.
Bull run is not even something we should even be expecting any moment from now as it certainly does not look like it is ever going to happen anytime soon. The whales have always been able to trade people's emotion on the charts and they simply know how to keep doing that as far as they want the market to go either downward or upward and like you call it, rinse and repeat.It is funny though that a lot of newbies always blame them for their loss when they should actually be blaming themselves. There are whales in every market and it is certainly not new.
Bitcoin bear market is due to the market cycle after serious of pump market consolidating for previous high and this is the nature of market there will be sudden high in prices and sudden low
Hello, I have been hearing many rumors going around saying the rich are manipulating the market? does this statement uphold its value?
Its really going to be hard in tracing it down to a particular source of one thing that led to the downward trend of price because several news, actions, comments that have been coming out negative have the potential to drive down the price to a point and every other panic seller would then fall in line to escalate to the extent of having a full blown bear market. I think the decision of the justice department of the United States report of their intention to investigate the manipulation of price must have added to those factors working against the price at this time.
trend will continue to downfall, those traders who didn't bothered to investigate very well are adding to the price movements, its not the whales that
bringing it down but the actions that weak holders did that's why we are still seeing bearish inside the exchange, just prevent yourself to deal with
crypto if you are planning to achieved your goals, things will bounce back we just needed to wait for it.
I saw a Crypto expert has said that Rothschild family and other main capitalists do it.
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