Topic: What to do with these aggressive FUDers? Requesting help from mods (Read 571 times)

Dear Bitcointalk Moderators

I contribute as community manager of the crypto project Nimiq, a project inspired by Bitcoin that uses different technologies (Merkle Tries, Mini Blockchain Scheme, NiPoPoWs) to create a compact Blockchain with nodes that can run inside of a Browser. You can to test our tech by visiting https://getsome.nimiq.com.

Nimiq was launched on June 06, 2017. Since then we have used Bitcointalk as one of the informative channels to keep Nimiq supporters updated. At the beginning of January, a group of users was created on Bitcointalk with the sole purpose of discrediting the project, spreading FUD that can be (and have been) easily proven wrong

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nimiqshitcoin-2518322
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinfanatic-2518773
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/andrewjaxx-2520461
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnbtc-2520497
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sashanew-2520547
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scamiq-2521848

Recently, these users were created with exactly the same behavior since their first post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scamiq2-2545890
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthewgpu-2545886

These users’ entire history in Bitcointalk is formed by aggressive partially racist insults, non-factual statements and outright lies. Nimiq has always being known by its supporters because of its transparency. During these users’ attempt to damage the reputation of the project, a Reddit AMA was held without any participation of these users. A serious effort was made to clear any doubts of Bitcointalk readers about the claims from these users. It is clear that they only want to spam the thread, making it impossible for anybody to participate in a normal way.

We think the behaviour of these users goes against the very purpose of Bitcointalk (or any forum). Checking our thread it is easy to see that Nimiq has always answered all questions, keeping honesty and transparency in high value. We ask for help to keep the thread civilized, allowing Bitcointalk readers to be able to read it.  

https://i.imgur.com/1ImVS5S.png

What transparency? Seriously!! What transparency !! There is absolutely no transparency. Here is a list of how liars and shady are these scammers from nimiq

1. We found out after 8 months that Robin Linus founder of the project became a severe drug addict.
2. They never talked about any fight between Robin Linus and the rest of the team. After 8 months, Robin became from the dark and just uncovered how shady team nimiq is and he has an internal fight with the rest of the team for over a year.
3. They lied to us for 6 months that Robin was still in the project doing research, while he didn't do anything and he was back home in Germany getting medical attention to solve his "severe drug addiction" to cannabis
4. They never explained that they spent 1.1 million dollars of their ICO (10%) in order to buy a mansion.
5. They are accused by the founder of the project to be running a fake volume trading bot.
6. They didn't communicate anything about their salaries only the fact that they spent 5 million dollars in a year of running the operations.  In over 2 years, they only made a report without proofs (there is no proof in that document that they owned that amount of btc and eth as in the report). They should have shown us the ETH and BTC addresses.
7. Robin accused them of paying shillers and having members with fake accounts to promote the project. They always refused this.
8. They showed us a document that they removed Robin from the project, but this is impossible (another lie) because Robin Linus is the president of the foundation and they simply can't fire Robin from that position.
9. After the document, they just forgot to mention that they commited 1/3 (YES, ONE THIRD) of the ENTIRE ICO MONEY to Robin Linus after they kicked him out from the project.
10. Robin accused them to have really generous salaries and asked them to reduce their salaries down to $80k/month, taking in consideration that the members get paid in nims but also from the ICO money
11. They are not interested in the ICO money, and nobody except Robin cared about the ICO investors who lost over 98% of their investment, while the team decided to buy a 1.1 million dollar villa in Costa Rica.

"Just to peddle their coin in Meta"? (Yes, their, since I have almost none of these coins)
Seriously? Because you think that 40 pages of spam is not worth opening a thread about it?
About 300 posts, probable made by the same person, on one single thread, writing in unreadably big characters, repeating the same things again and again. You find this normal?

I think the fuders has been sponsored to create such fear uncertainty and despair.
Probably could be your rivals perpetrating such unnecessary drama. Well you can report them in the reputation section

I would like to add yuluxugi32132, nimiq-shitcoin, wentian.cn and robin.nimiq, that weren't mentioned in your post.

The term "FUDers" is maybe not the best to qualify this, but these users still want to discredit the project. I can't be 100% since I don't have many proofs, but we are suspecting them to be supporters of a competitor of Nimiq, called Webdollar.
But even if it's nor FUD according to your definition, in fact it's exactly like FUD : discredit a projet to earn more (not by buying cheaper, but make the price of another project rise).


By the way, I would also like to point out one thing:
Most of these accounts registered at near dates (by groups: coinfanatic registered 6 minutes after nimiq-shitcoin; andrewjaxx, john.btc and sasha.new registered during the same morning; robin.nimiq registered one hour after wentian.cn; finally Scamiq2 registered 8 minutes after matthewgpu). And they use the same codes: big bold red posts (with caps lock), saying always the same things, repeating some words (ex: "bad bad" "dead dead"), making always the same language errors... So they are most likely the same person. To be honest, I read all of their posts, I just have the feeling that I'm reading one only person talking to himself.
I know multi-account is allowed, but here it is clearly abused to spam the thread. And generally, known multi-accounts deserve a red tag (besides, they seem to like red ).

"Never explain — your friends do not need it, and your enemies will not believe you anyway"

Explaining gives power to another. When someone criticizes or insults you, gets offended by something you do or say, or questions your decisions and why you’ve chosen to do something a certain way, it’s natural to want to explain why you think they’re wrong

If you’re in a situation where a complaint will accomplish nothing, then common sense dictates that you should remain silent.

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Why do I get the feeling this thread was created just to peddle your coin in Meta?

OP, a solution has been provided, lock the thread and let us get back to our regularly scheduled DT drama.

I know multi-account is allowed, but here it is clearly abused to spam the thread.

"Just to peddle their coin in Meta"? (Yes, their, since I have almost none of these coins)
Seriously? Because you think that 40 pages of spam is not worth opening a thread about it?
About 300 posts, probable made by the same person, on one single thread, writing in unreadably big characters, repeating the same things again and again. You find this normal?

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At the beginning of January, a group of users was created on Bitcointalk with the sole purpose of discrediting the project
+links

Also, they're not FUDders. They're genuinely pissed off about the lack of progress being made. "FUD" implies they are attempting to discredit the project so its coin will fall in value and they can buy it for cheaper. That's not the case with what you have going on in your thread.

There are even open source projects that have more work committed. One example is the nimiq's biggest competitor, namely WebDollar. According to its github repository, WEBD devs had over  3,000+ commits in a year with no funding or ICO shit. I guess nimiq devs need pocket money to buy cannabis

I thought of a self moderated thread but I think it could be seen as a biased channel and would not help with the actual problem.
I wanted to bring the topic here since it is very easy for moderators to see that the aggressive behavior I commented is specific to the group of users I included before and goes against basic civilized discussion.

Still appreciate the suggestion, but would love to solve it without creating a self moderated thread though

I guess you'll have to live with it. Many are playing their game in an attempt to lower prices and buy lower.

Others are really trying to warn other members because let's be honest: in 95% of the cases, these projects really are scams and shitcoins. So in general, we're lucky enough to have this freedom of expression.

I've not been on the Altcoin Discussion threads for quite some time, so I completely forgot about the FUDers.

Still appreciate the suggestion, but would love to solve it without creating a self moderated thread though

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nimiqshitcoin-2518322
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinfanatic-2518773
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/andrewjaxx-2520461
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnbtc-2520497
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sashanew-2520547
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scamiq-2521848

Recently, these users were created with exactly the same behavior since their first post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scamiq2-2545890
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matthewgpu-2545886

We think the behaviour of these users goes against the very purpose of Bitcointalk (or any forum). Checking our thread it is easy to see that Nimiq has always answered all questions, keeping honesty and transparency in high value. We ask for help to keep the thread civilized, allowing Bitcointalk readers to be able to read it.  

I don't see how that is multi posting, it was just trying to engage in a discussion with one of these users. Not copying content, just having a discussion.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

I don't see how that is multi posting, it was just trying to engage in a discussion with one of these users. Not copying content, just having a discussion.

I still believe these types of users should be disabled by moderators, I don't see any reason not to do so.

Thanks for the swift help. I guess have no option but to create a self moderated thread 

The things that you mentioned - insults, aggressive behavior, etc - are not moderated. You can report the users for actual rule violations, such as multi-posting and low-value posts, but you are also multi-posting yourself so I would suggest to read the rules first.