Anyone who refers to someone by a name other than their username on Bitcointalk, is extremely disrespectful to the etiquette of crypto.
If you are going to DOXX someone, then sign it with your legal name.
The lowlife sleezeball tactics are apparent to everyone.
Topic: What Upcoming ICO's we should analyze? (Read 2318 times)
I lit your ass up hard and when i hit submit the page did not load for 8 hours.
Shelby you were saved by haxors LOL
(DDOS claims on Twitter)
I may re-post it all again later.. after all you are full of shit and a hypocrite spewing nonsense.
You got a reprieve for now son.
Shelby you were saved by haxors LOL
(DDOS claims on Twitter)
I may re-post it all again later.. after all you are full of shit and a hypocrite spewing nonsense.
You got a reprieve for now son.
back on topic. ARK, it's going to be the best project of 2017.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
Okay this is the first serious Steem clone. And this is a serious competitor to the project I am working on.
But I see they've already made the critical error of choosing voting as the reward and onboarding paradigm. Thus I am not worried. I will defeat this project.
Thanks for the competition. This lights a fire under my butt.
They have a significantly diverse team. But if you study carefully, they don't have many top 1000 programmers, maybe not any of those guys. That doesn't mean they can't produce something good. Looks like they have some technical progress.
But there aren't so many Satoshis in this world.
This is good competition for me. Thanks.
back on topic. ARK, it's going to be the best project of 2017.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
Spoetnik, now you are going to learn something new:
I expected too much.
Sometimes YOU SHOULD throw out the baby with the bath water.
I warned you guys Regulations were coming LOUDLY and you all lined up in the thousands to shoot your little mouths off at me..
Then we seen meetings on this on BTC in New York brewing a couple years back..
I said we should embrace it.
I said we should have a say in how it's crafted so it's how we want to it to work etc.
I said it's coming whether you like it or not.
Want me to go back through my account history and show you all the retard comments you all collectively threw at me ?
You all said "They can't" then proceeded to insult me.
Guess what ..you are going to learn something.
I was right !
Proof ? Where do i even start ?
Well, let's look at the exchanges which is the central point of all of Crypto.
..taking ALL your personal info and trade history and picture ID etc
and........ handing it to the fucking US government ........ along with Github.
What the fuck did you just say to me ? Decentralization ?
Oh that is rich LOL .. gimme a fucking break
Your response was not to say ohh shit Spoentik was right *again*
Your response was to say ohhhhhh well we should just make 40 ANON shitcoins now...
Which are of course traded on the same govt controlled picture ID taking exchanges and yet still hosted on Githib and now even worse "Azure" etc.. and THIS site.
Ohhhhh yeah dumb fucks you RREEEEEEEEEEALLLY are making this oooooooohhhhhh so fucking decentralized.
..go make a scammy ass fucking ICO about it.. maybe buy a $45,000.00 paint job for it too dumb fucks. ROFL
I warned you guys Regulations were coming LOUDLY and you all lined up in the thousands to shoot your little mouths off at me..
Then we seen meetings on this on BTC in New York brewing a couple years back..
I said we should embrace it.
I said we should have a say in how it's crafted so it's how we want to it to work etc.
I said it's coming whether you like it or not.
Want me to go back through my account history and show you all the retard comments you all collectively threw at me ?
You all said "They can't" then proceeded to insult me.
Guess what ..you are going to learn something.
I was right !
Proof ? Where do i even start ?
Well, let's look at the exchanges which is the central point of all of Crypto.
..taking ALL your personal info and trade history and picture ID etc
and........ handing it to the fucking US government ........ along with Github.
What the fuck did you just say to me ? Decentralization ?
Oh that is rich LOL .. gimme a fucking break
Your response was not to say ohh shit Spoentik was right *again*
Your response was to say ohhhhhh well we should just make 40 ANON shitcoins now...
Which are of course traded on the same govt controlled picture ID taking exchanges and yet still hosted on Githib and now even worse "Azure" etc.. and THIS site.
Ohhhhh yeah dumb fucks you RREEEEEEEEEEALLLY are making this oooooooohhhhhh so fucking decentralized.
..go make a scammy ass fucking ICO about it.. maybe buy a $45,000.00 paint job for it too dumb fucks. ROFL
Spoetnik, now you are going to learn something new:
PoW ends up as a power-law distribution also:
The problem with an ICO is that it is not a free-market competition, because the issuer has an asymmetric advantage because he/she can buy tokens from him/herself at 0 cost. @smooth was the one who pointed this out to me, which I then regurgitated:
The controlled, non-free market result applies to the exchange price manipulation (and ecosystem investment) because the money supply is more concentrated than a typical power-law distribution, i.e. there are too few whales competing with (and distrusting) each other. But note this does not require necessarily that the consensus system is centralized.
It is a shame because PoW is unable to transfer any of the investment capital (of those competing to mine the money supply) to the developers. Rather it is expended on electricity and hardware rental.
However, there is another option. And that is to distribute the bulk of the money supply by some other objective means (other than PoW, or even by PoW) and only ICO a small enough portion that it can't become a concentrated control. Bingo!
@smooth is your mouth agape?
Re: All crypto with an IPO/ICO is trash - no exceptions. Just launch fairly.
PoW is superior, but even more superior if it is being mined by the users and not by those who (HODL or) dump their coins to those few in the powerlaw distribution of wealthy who want to stack (HODL) coins.
The only valid role of crypto currency is not as a "better gold" (such a concept is oxymoronic, because gold is as evil as fiat ... ask me to teach you!) but not as a store-of-value rather as a more degrees-of-freedom unit-of-exchange.
PoW is superior, but even more superior if it is being mined by the users and not by those who (HODL or) dump their coins to those few in the powerlaw distribution of wealthy who want to stack (HODL) coins.
The only valid role of crypto currency is not as a "better gold" (such a concept is oxymoronic, because gold is as evil as fiat ... ask me to teach you!) but not as a store-of-value rather as a more degrees-of-freedom unit-of-exchange.
PoW ends up as a power-law distribution also:
Currency is always distributed according to the power-law distribution1, regardless of the methodology which you use to distribute it (e.g. mining versus sales).
1 A. Dragulescu and V. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States.
1 A. Dragulescu and V. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States.
The problem with an ICO is that it is not a free-market competition, because the issuer has an asymmetric advantage because he/she can buy tokens from him/herself at 0 cost. @smooth was the one who pointed this out to me, which I then regurgitated:
| 1. | No ICOs: ICOs enable insiders to buy from themselves, creating a non-free market distribution of the money supply, thus manipulating all the market parameters and effects creating a controlled, non-free market. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15340159 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15343686 |
The controlled, non-free market result applies to the exchange price manipulation (and ecosystem investment) because the money supply is more concentrated than a typical power-law distribution, i.e. there are too few whales competing with (and distrusting) each other. But note this does not require necessarily that the consensus system is centralized.
It is a shame because PoW is unable to transfer any of the investment capital (of those competing to mine the money supply) to the developers. Rather it is expended on electricity and hardware rental.
However, there is another option. And that is to distribute the bulk of the money supply by some other objective means (other than PoW, or even by PoW) and only ICO a small enough portion that it can't become a concentrated control. Bingo!
@smooth is your mouth agape?
Spare me the cliched decentralization rabble..
None of these guys give two shits about that either
Since the end of 2013 you have all collectively been on a mission to make all of crypto MORE centralized.
How do i know ?
ICO's
A step in reverse making them more centralized.
None of these guys give two shits about that either
Since the end of 2013 you have all collectively been on a mission to make all of crypto MORE centralized.
How do i know ?
ICO's
A step in reverse making them more centralized.
Be careful with throwing out the baby with the dirty bathwater.
Currency is always distributed according to the power-law distribution1, regardless of the methodology which you use to distribute it (e.g. mining versus sales).
Decentralization can be orthogonal to distribution of the money supply, at least when not using proof-of-stake. I think you should stop trying to implicitly make an erroneous technical argument (even you may not realize that you are), when you are clearly ignorant of the various degrees-of-freedom in the design of a consensus token system:
What is not earned is not appreciated. This is why proof of stake is fundamentally broken. It attempts to create something for nothing.
An ICO is a transfer of real value and is applicable to PoS.
It is incorrect to conflate the consensus algorithm with the token distribution algorithm, as they are separate concerns.
Your intentions are to warn readers about that most ICOs are about taking the money and not producing realistic alternative currencies. I agree. But you reach too far when you conflate your incorrect understanding of the technology, and claim that an ICO is incompatible with decentralization of consensus of the blockchain (anymore so than Bitcoin and fiat and gold are also centralized!). Hypocrite. Decentralization is a very difficult nut to crack2. I at least have a technical idea for how to accomplish what even Satoshi did not!
So don't throw me (the baby) out! You dumb ass.
1 A. Dragulescu and V. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States.
My motivation ?
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See that link ?
Does it say dumping ground for 7,000+ "scheme" coinz fer teh profitz ?
I am not here to defend showing up to profit off of ICO scheme coins etc.
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Spare me the cliched decentralization rabble..
None of these guys give two shits about that either
Since the end of 2013 you have all collectively been on a mission to make all of crypto MORE centralized.
How do i know ?
ICO's
A step in reverse making them more centralized.
Or..
Exchanges and all of you handing over your ID which is then fed to the govt.
Which apparently does not bother any of you at all what so ever.
All you guys do is defend your profiteering with moronic cliched dipshit rhetoric 24/7
While ACTING like hypocrites.
..say one thing then do another.
Like chanting FREE MARKET (so you can profit from shit coins) then.. you all chant call the cops ROFL
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Like you Shelby.. MR ICO's are bad.. but you know.. well.. i might make one. ROFL
I started here before this place was flooded with profiteer morons.. you GTFO.
This is my crypto scene and i want supporters not greedy dipshits rubbing nickels together with shitcoins.
What are you doing here ? YOU SAID YOU WERE LEAVING.
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Bitcoin Forum > Alternate cryptocurrencies > Altcoin Discussion
See that link ?
Does it say dumping ground for 7,000+ "scheme" coinz fer teh profitz ?
I am not here to defend showing up to profit off of ICO scheme coins etc.
PS:
Spare me the cliched decentralization rabble..
None of these guys give two shits about that either
Since the end of 2013 you have all collectively been on a mission to make all of crypto MORE centralized.
How do i know ?
ICO's
A step in reverse making them more centralized.
Or..
Exchanges and all of you handing over your ID which is then fed to the govt.
Which apparently does not bother any of you at all what so ever.
All you guys do is defend your profiteering with moronic cliched dipshit rhetoric 24/7
While ACTING like hypocrites.
..say one thing then do another.
Like chanting FREE MARKET (so you can profit from shit coins) then.. you all chant call the cops ROFL
or..
Like you Shelby.. MR ICO's are bad.. but you know.. well.. i might make one. ROFL
I started here before this place was flooded with profiteer morons.. you GTFO.
This is my crypto scene and i want supporters not greedy dipshits rubbing nickels together with shitcoins.
What are you doing here ? YOU SAID YOU WERE LEAVING.
Yes i am the smart one here.
Most readers here are interested in one or both of:
- profit
- achieving decentralization
What do you see as your motivation here?
I've seen you write basically communist statements stating that there is no way developers deserve to earn $millions, and they should improve technology with a ROI of 0 or some peanuts. As the good Marxist that you appear to be, you do not seem to understand that nature relies on competition for fitness. Everyone has an opportunity-cost, and if they give up their production for no return, then they defy their evolutionary strategy. We men are competing for vaginas and other things for example. Someone might prefer to develop technology not for monetary gain, but for a reputation gain (or both!).
Btw, I agree that most ICOs appear to be about taking the money and not about actually developing anything realistic. I have not disagreed on that point. But that doesn't mean that I will do that. You have to wait until I do, then accuse me. Not before.
Now for example if I ever launch a project and make a $million in profit, but also create a huge $billions ecosystem and a realistic technology, then you will still complain that I took 1% of the ecosystem for my efforts? Because as a good Marxist you think I only need $10,000 a year to survive on, so why should I get a $million.
I suggest you move to Venezuela or Belarus.
About gambling and profit:
Sounds just like gambling to me. Whether people have a better chance to make money in this game or the lottery is unclear.
Why did nature make the thrill of crush, so that we cheat on our wives. Yet then your new crush demands you call her 5X per day and make babies. Was it any better than where you started?
The introduction of chance is absolutely essential to existence of possibilities.
It isn't our decision to make whether or not gamblers would be better off in some other way. There is nothing that top-down control can't destroy.
Do they really need a reason? ICOs are hot now. Investors want to buy, so people will come up with something to sell.
Or just move on to something else. There is no shortage of alternatives.
Imo, NXT needs to be relaunched back from the original genesis block and start fresh.
Or just move on to something else. There is no shortage of alternatives.
Jealous adult men creating strawman squabbles over who can create a better gambling product for the market that wants to gamble.
Buy low, sell high, and ignore the "holier than thou" pathetic, useless whining. Legality is the problem of the issuers and possibly the promoters, not of the speculators.
Compete or lose. Ask the Oklahoma Thunder how that works. I like to see any of these whiners in this thread whining on a basketball court about playing fair while getting repeatedly dunked on and ignored by the opposing team that is fast breaking obliterating them while the losers stand still pleading their futile case.
I bet these whiners resemble this 30-something guy who can't even jumper higher than a shorter, chronically ill, muscle atrophied, 51 year old guy who hadn't been able to train his autoimmunity weakened legs.
All of us know that none of these altcoins have any relevance outside this tiny gambling ecosystem. We'll also know it if ever there exists something of greater relevance, because its million users adoption will exist not as a promise, hope, nor vaporware.
I wonder how many more ICOs can be squeezed before returns are negative.
Wrong.. you do what gives you profit.
Just like how mined coin cloning reached a fever pitch you all unanimously supported & defended them..
As soon as it became far less profitable you all started riding my coat-tails mimicking what i say.
If cloning becomes profitable again you will all dive right back on them again in a heart beat.
You are 100% predictable people.. no matter how fucking smart you think you are.
PS:
I predicted a moral shift in the scene too as Summer ended and looky looky kidiots.. Spoetnik is right as always
Yes i am the smart one here.
Just like how mined coin cloning reached a fever pitch you all unanimously supported & defended them..
As soon as it became far less profitable you all started riding my coat-tails mimicking what i say.
If cloning becomes profitable again you will all dive right back on them again in a heart beat.
You are 100% predictable people.. no matter how fucking smart you think you are.
PS:
I predicted a moral shift in the scene too as Summer ended and looky looky kidiots.. Spoetnik is right as always
Yes i am the smart one here.
(And probably alt-coins in general, unless someone can show me a project that really has something special to offer.)
I like that stance. You set a high bar but not entirely close-minded. Good.
Any new ICO's must be game changers and exquisite disrupters for one or more industries.
Any fork or clone ICO's are now done and finished and unless it is an incredibly well regarded team are to be avoided at all costs. That's not to say that any previous fork/clone ICOs are not worthy of attention.
Any fork or clone ICO's are now done and finished and unless it is an incredibly well regarded team are to be avoided at all costs. That's not to say that any previous fork/clone ICOs are not worthy of attention.
That also seems about roughly my approach as well.
Even though there's allot scepticism in new ICO's, but i always keeping my eye on new cryptocurrencies.......
Any new ICO's must be game changers and exquisite disrupters for one or more industries.
Any fork or clone ICO's are now done and finished and unless it is an incredibly well regarded team are to be avoided at all costs. That's not to say that any previous fork/clone ICOs are not worthy of attention.
With the amount of money being generated by the launch of Zcash,
we will certainly see a new wave of coins being developed.
Prepare for a bubble not seen since the dot com days of the early internet.
Personally, I'm going to stay away from any ICO for a while.
(And probably alt-coins in general, unless someone can show me a project that really has something special to offer.)
we will certainly see a new wave of coins being developed.
Prepare for a bubble not seen since the dot com days of the early internet.
Personally, I'm going to stay away from any ICO for a while.
(And probably alt-coins in general, unless someone can show me a project that really has something special to offer.)
Even though there's allot scepticism in new ICO's, but i always keeping my eye on new cryptocurrencies, we have allot of smart people in this world, in recent years we saw the big rise of Ethereum, i am the one who analyzes and takes risk if i see the potential, like that first coke investor dude, he liked the idea but no one guaranteed that it will be successful, sometimes we just need to follow our balls 
, but my balls right know not seeing any projects with potential , can you help "BitcoinTalk" community members to point their balls to the right direction ?
, but my balls right know not seeing any projects with potential , can you help "BitcoinTalk" community members to point their balls to the right direction ?SHELBY...
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I agree with that assertion / conclusion
You Shelby ?
There are none I am aware of which I am analyzing in depth (i.e. with an intent to or advise others to invest) at this time.
Re: What Upcoming ICO's we should analyze?
I say none..
You Shelby ?
I say none..
You Shelby ?
Just to correct factual errors.
I didn't claim that as a prediction. I posted a poll and Martin Armstrong's speculative theory; and I developed the theory further with research into that Rothschilds appears to be in control of Wikileaks and appears to be using the leaks to force one of several possible outcomes and goals.
Did you forget that on June 08, 2016, TPTB_need_war wrote that he discovered that he probably had the wrong interpretation of the law and ethics, because if the blockchain is open source, then the investors are free to fork it, thus they are in control of their own investment.
Again I will give you the last word, for as long as you don't distort any facts.
P.S. you assume I am going to do an ICO, but this isn't determined yet. There is another way to go, which isn't mining either. Also you presume I will raise public money for a blockchain which is not already live, which I doubt to be the case. But I make no promises about what I will do, because even the Proverbs tells me not to bind myself in futures contracts and make surety to others. The 10 commandments is all about how to retain your individual freedom. Listen and learn something new:
Disclaimer: IANAL, so consult your own.
USA is starting a war with Russia to declare Marshall law you claimed.
I didn't claim that as a prediction. I posted a poll and Martin Armstrong's speculative theory; and I developed the theory further with research into that Rothschilds appears to be in control of Wikileaks and appears to be using the leaks to force one of several possible outcomes and goals.
ICO's are bad except when i do it
Did you forget that on June 08, 2016, TPTB_need_war wrote that he discovered that he probably had the wrong interpretation of the law and ethics, because if the blockchain is open source, then the investors are free to fork it, thus they are in control of their own investment.
Again I will give you the last word, for as long as you don't distort any facts.
P.S. you assume I am going to do an ICO, but this isn't determined yet. There is another way to go, which isn't mining either. Also you presume I will raise public money for a blockchain which is not already live, which I doubt to be the case. But I make no promises about what I will do, because even the Proverbs tells me not to bind myself in futures contracts and make surety to others. The 10 commandments is all about how to retain your individual freedom. Listen and learn something new:
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/authority.mp3 (Jan 8 2011)
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/good_vs_evil.mp3 (Nov 6 2011) <--- Awesome! Clearly I was headed to decentralization.
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/good_vs_evil.mp3 (Nov 6 2011) <--- Awesome! Clearly I was headed to decentralization.
Disclaimer: IANAL, so consult your own.
I had VOD chasing me around here for months TROLLING me because he found an a comment i made here several years earlier saying i was on Disability with a back problem..
This happened at the same time he negged me calling me a Pedophile..
AFTER i had already posted a rip-off report link i found of him being accused of being a pedophile by a coworker.
Troll ? Reputation ?
Sharing personal info ?
The odds VOD found that on his own are nearly 0
Get why i don't advertise my personal info yet ?
Calling me a Troll ?
Why because you did not "like" what i said ?
Connection to reality ?
WOW read your own conspiracy claims here guy.. BTC is a NWO project by the US govt ring a bell ?
I posted on your crazy topics in other sections here yesterday and i see you are a fucking nutjob.
USA is starting a war with Russia to declare Marshall law you claimed.
Plenty of time to post on here all the time ?
Are you sure you meant me and not yourself Mr. I am leaving ?
And whether you post a coin or not is of no concern to me.. i don't care.
If it's good i will praise it or if it's bad i will "Troll" it hahhaha
But, as it stands NOW.. you have a vaporware coin bud.
Talking & talking for years in this forum section how YOUR coin is better than all others..
Only problem is ..it doesn't exist.
Which leads me to the topic at hand.. ICO's
People i have watched this guy carefully skirt the lines of criticizing *ALL* ICO's
While carefully wording every single comment the makes so that he can leave the door open to making one himself for his very own coin.
The expert here is saying do as i say.. not as i do.
ICO's are bad except when i do it
And my point countless times is that they are by design scammy.
It's not an issue of opinion or perception etc.. it's math.. 1+1=2
I can imagine every drug dealer on earth being faced with users trying to "front" hahahha
Know what they would say ? uhhhm come back when you have some money asshole.
Smart enough to get that ?
@Shelby
I am not HERE to make "these guys" money.
I am here to support the concept of a crypto currency.
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You dodged answering the question.. how many accounts was that again ?
This happened at the same time he negged me calling me a Pedophile..
AFTER i had already posted a rip-off report link i found of him being accused of being a pedophile by a coworker.
Troll ? Reputation ?
Sharing personal info ?
The odds VOD found that on his own are nearly 0
Get why i don't advertise my personal info yet ?
Calling me a Troll ?
Why because you did not "like" what i said ?
Connection to reality ?
WOW read your own conspiracy claims here guy.. BTC is a NWO project by the US govt ring a bell ?
I posted on your crazy topics in other sections here yesterday and i see you are a fucking nutjob.
USA is starting a war with Russia to declare Marshall law you claimed.
Plenty of time to post on here all the time ?
Are you sure you meant me and not yourself Mr. I am leaving ?
And whether you post a coin or not is of no concern to me.. i don't care.
If it's good i will praise it or if it's bad i will "Troll" it hahhaha
But, as it stands NOW.. you have a vaporware coin bud.
Talking & talking for years in this forum section how YOUR coin is better than all others..
Only problem is ..it doesn't exist.
Which leads me to the topic at hand.. ICO's
People i have watched this guy carefully skirt the lines of criticizing *ALL* ICO's
While carefully wording every single comment the makes so that he can leave the door open to making one himself for his very own coin.
The expert here is saying do as i say.. not as i do.
ICO's are bad except when i do it
And my point countless times is that they are by design scammy.
It's not an issue of opinion or perception etc.. it's math.. 1+1=2
I can imagine every drug dealer on earth being faced with users trying to "front" hahahha
Know what they would say ? uhhhm come back when you have some money asshole.
Smart enough to get that ?
@Shelby
I am not HERE to make "these guys" money.
I am here to support the concept of a crypto currency.
PS:
You dodged answering the question.. how many accounts was that again ?
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