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Topic: What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine - page 3. (Read 1253 times)

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August 05, 2015, 01:38:03 PM
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There is an interesting article from defense.com (hopefully not Putin's agent)

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/

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"Our soldiers are doing the training with the Ukrainians and we've learned a lot from the Ukrainians," said Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. "A third of the [Ukrainian] soldiers have served in the ... combat zone, and no Americans have been under Russian artillery or rocket fire..."

Which actually means that US troops can only finish the already disorganised troops who were bombed from above and have never been in a confrontation with an organised rival, who is willing to fight and possesses artillery, which made the most impact in the WW2. If we imagine that american soldiers are put against russian army or even ISIS or any other army which has at least old soviet artillery systems - it is not trained for the war and exposed for defeat.
This is why the americans are not sending the troops against ISIS I think. Not because they don't want to. But because they would fail without the air support.

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Russia maintains an ability to destroy command-and-control networks by jamming radio communications, radars and GPS signals, according to Laurie Buckhout, former chief of the US Army's electronic warfare division, now CEO of the Corvus Group. In contrast with the US, Russia has large units dedicated to electronic warfare, known as EW, which it dedicates to ground electronic attack, jamming communications, radar and command-and-control nets...

..."Our biggest problem is we have not fought in a comms-degraded environment for decades, so we don't know how to do it," Buckhout said. "We lack not only tactics, techniques and procedures but the training to fight in a comms-degraded environment."

This is not about WW2, but about the future war. If an american squad is left without the communication with the commander it loses efficiency and those ugly russians have all the chances to take the communications off, which is a surprise for US Army for now.
Also, it is necessary to say that if the Donbass miners and teachers could cope and use this type of equipment - it is easy to use for anyone. In the world. Which pretty much shrinks the ability of US army to control the just conquered area and exposes their bases for planned attacks.

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'Future of War Is in the Ukraine'

Forces with US Army Europe have for the last 10 weeks been training three battalions of Ukraine Ministry of the Interior troops, known as Ukraine's national guard. The second cycle of that training was paused so that troops could participate in a combined multinational exercise, underway through early August, and it will resume and conclude with the third battalion in August.
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But Konstiantyn Liesnik, an adviser to the Defense Ministry's reform office and head of its working group for logistics and procurement, noted the US military's experience in recent years has concerned insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, not a powerful, organized and well-equipped adversary like Russia.

"The future of war is in the Ukraine, and I think in this case our experience is very important to US personnel how war should be in this century and next century," Liesnik said.

This actually means that starting from Maidan US government used the ukrainian fascists in order to investigate what Russia would do and how it fights. Understanding that there is no chance of winning a war now US army needs to find weak spots for a fast and devastating strike which has more than 100% possibility to make a success.

The aim of US government for this and next century has been made. And it is war. Having entertained in Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving a wonderful ISIS as a result of long peacekeeping there US leadership is thinking of turning Eurasia in the same status as it has been done with arabian east. If US citizens agree with it - they should understand WHAT they do agree with and think of possible counteractions from the side of those who are being the aim of the aggressive plans.

What a load of total BS and evidence that the OP knows absolutely Nothing about American Soldiers. That said anyone notice that the Russians are the ones that keep talking of war while claim it is the evil West that is the cause of their own aggression. Clue: Russia would last about a month before Russian soldiers would be surrendering in mass, Putin does not have the loyalty that would drive their soldiers to die for him.
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August 05, 2015, 01:37:09 PM
#1
There is an interesting article from defense.com (hopefully not Putin's agent)

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/

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"Our soldiers are doing the training with the Ukrainians and we've learned a lot from the Ukrainians," said Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. "A third of the [Ukrainian] soldiers have served in the ... combat zone, and no Americans have been under Russian artillery or rocket fire..."

Which actually means that US troops can only finish the already disorganised troops who were bombed from above and have never been in a confrontation with an organised rival, who is willing to fight and possesses artillery, which made the most impact in the WW2. If we imagine that american soldiers are put against russian army or even ISIS or any other army which has at least old soviet artillery systems - it is not trained for the war and exposed for defeat.
This is why the americans are not sending the troops against ISIS I think. Not because they don't want to. But because they would fail without the air support.

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Russia maintains an ability to destroy command-and-control networks by jamming radio communications, radars and GPS signals, according to Laurie Buckhout, former chief of the US Army's electronic warfare division, now CEO of the Corvus Group. In contrast with the US, Russia has large units dedicated to electronic warfare, known as EW, which it dedicates to ground electronic attack, jamming communications, radar and command-and-control nets...

..."Our biggest problem is we have not fought in a comms-degraded environment for decades, so we don't know how to do it," Buckhout said. "We lack not only tactics, techniques and procedures but the training to fight in a comms-degraded environment."

This is not about WW2, but about the future war. If an american squad is left without the communication with the commander it loses efficiency and those ugly russians have all the chances to take the communications off, which is a surprise for US Army for now.
Also, it is necessary to say that if the Donbass miners and teachers could cope and use this type of equipment - it is easy to use for anyone. In the world. Which pretty much shrinks the ability of US army to control the just conquered area and exposes their bases for planned attacks.

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'Future of War Is in the Ukraine'

Forces with US Army Europe have for the last 10 weeks been training three battalions of Ukraine Ministry of the Interior troops, known as Ukraine's national guard. The second cycle of that training was paused so that troops could participate in a combined multinational exercise, underway through early August, and it will resume and conclude with the third battalion in August.
...
But Konstiantyn Liesnik, an adviser to the Defense Ministry's reform office and head of its working group for logistics and procurement, noted the US military's experience in recent years has concerned insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, not a powerful, organized and well-equipped adversary like Russia.

"The future of war is in the Ukraine, and I think in this case our experience is very important to US personnel how war should be in this century and next century," Liesnik said.

This actually means that starting from Maidan US government used the ukrainian fascists in order to investigate what Russia would do and how it fights. Understanding that there is no chance of winning a war now US army needs to find weak spots for a fast and devastating strike which has more than 100% possibility to make a success.

The aim of US government for this and next century has been made. And it is war. Having entertained in Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving a wonderful ISIS as a result of long peacekeeping there US leadership is thinking of turning Eurasia in the same status as it has been done with arabian east. If US citizens agree with it - they should understand WHAT they do agree with and think of possible counteractions from the side of those who are being the aim of the aggressive plans.
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