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sr. member
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Full nodes you need for to take back your unconfirmed bitcoins as I know. There exist one bitcoin transaction accelerator and that's viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator <-- Lauda posted that website in one thread as he claimed it worked and also some people has tested it already here and they claim it works, I have used it once but can't say really if it really accelerates but try yourself two different transaction with same amount and fee.

does work, but it is not a solution, and the service is not usefull now that half bitcoins use it.
newbie
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hero member
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Full nodes you need for to take back your unconfirmed bitcoins as I know. There exist one bitcoin transaction accelerator and that's viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator <-- Lauda posted that website in one thread as he claimed it worked and also some people has tested it already here and they claim it works, I have used it once but can't say really if it really accelerates but try yourself two different transaction with same amount and fee.
sr. member
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100k unconfirmed transactions and developers still not implemented segwit and lightning network.
Well if developers not implementing things we need for Bitcoin what can we do to confirm transations faster?

Should we run full node?
Full node helps other users to download blockchain and verify transactions but i never heard that it helps to confirm transactions faster

Should we run miner?

I am interested to run full node and miner but seems that more miners and full nodes won't help we need segwit and lightning network to be implemented faster and more nodes and miners won't help to confirm transactions faster?

i think you should go in run a miner(rig) because now a day bitcoin being a famous or more popular as long as it can let us earn by our own hand, the demand of it will be raise up and it means there will be more user, lot of user caused of more transactions so it makes bitcoin transaction slower as not having enough rig for block confirmation. I wish someday i can buy also a rig for bitcoin. Advance Congrats if you invest at bitcoin mining rig.
jr. member
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My favourite conspiracy theory is that it's some miner(s) who flood the network with transactions, forcing legitimate users to increase their fees in their normal transactions.

This works because the miner can just collect his own fees back. (of course only on the blocks they mine)  It also explains the hold up on scaling solutions.  Scaling solutions break their scam.

No proof, just fun speculation.


It doesn't work because although he collects his own fees, he doesn't collect additional fees for the space that these transaction use. As fees only need to be marginally higher then others, the end result is always less income then when including real transactions.
legendary
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The first confirmation is. The time it takes can be longer depending on the time taken to find a block and if the miner wants to include your transaction.

So, does it mean that miners' fee should be considered as one of the important factors here, right?
I have been told by my friend that if we use at least 0.0002 per KB for a transaction during these days, we will surely get it confirmed in the least time.
Miner's fee is the important factor. The confirmation will only happen if a miner mines a block so that is also important.
I have been told by my friend that if we use at least 0.0002 per KB for a transaction during these days, we will surely get it confirmed in the least time.
No, its more like 0.0015BTC/KB. The average fee really varies and it is better to use https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ to estimate your fees.
legendary
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Sorry if I am misunderstanding here, but are confirmations not directly related to the fee that is attached to the transaction?
The first confirmation is. The time it takes can be longer depending on the time taken to find a block and if the miner wants to include your transaction.

So, does it mean that miners' fee should be considered as one of the important factors here, right?
I have been told by my friend that if we use at least 0.0002 per KB for a transaction during these days, we will surely get it confirmed in the least time.
legendary
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>Sorry for bumping this, but was this ignored or missed?

Missed ? No.

Indeed most of the blocks are full (>998), and the few smaller blocks are produced half-empty due to the Great Chinese Firewall, which blocks some Bitcoin transactions.
No.

The transactions cannot be removed by anyone without affecting the merkle root of the transaction. If the merkle root is changed, the block header will be changed. If the block header is changed, the SHA256 hash of the block header is also changed and will thus result in the block not meeting the target.
Sorry if I am misunderstanding here, but are confirmations not directly related to the fee that is attached to the transaction?
The first confirmation is. The time it takes can be longer depending on the time taken to find a block and if the miner wants to include your transaction.
legendary
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Sorry if I am misunderstanding here, but are confirmations not directly related to the fee that is attached to the transaction? And if that's the case, then we definitely need to increase the miners' fee in order for the network to run smooth as well as those transactions get confirmed in an hour or two. That's what I have been seeing after the price hike.
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newbie
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> Sorry for bumping this, but was this ignored or missed?

This is not Reddit

the few smaller blocks are produced half-empty due to the Great Chinese Firewall, which blocks some Bitcoin transactions.

HAHA thanks for the joke. Keep trying though.

Your post history shows your real filthy agenda towards bitcoin.
legendary
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And second, what is the goal of a spam attack? What is gained by the attacker?

My favourite conspiracy theory is that it's some miner(s) who flood the network with transactions, forcing legitimate users to increase their fees in their normal transactions.

This works because the miner can just collect his own fees back. (of course only on the blocks they mine)  It also explains the hold up on scaling solutions.  Scaling solutions break their scam.

No proof, just fun speculation.

This doesn't seem cost effective unless fees stay elevated way longer than the flooding attack lasts. There's no way to break even on it during the attack unless you mine every block, so the only way for it to make fiscal sense is if the fees stay elevated long enough after the stack for you to recoup your original cost, which is likely in the millions of dollars. Seems like a pretty big gamble.
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>Sorry for bumping this, but was this ignored or missed?

Missed ? No.

Indeed most of the blocks are full (>998), and the few smaller blocks are produced half-empty due to the Great Chinese Firewall, which blocks some Bitcoin transactions.
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newbie
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Currently not all blocks are full, many are still empty or only partially full.

Can you clarify what you mean by "many" and "empty"?

There are rare occasions like this (454327) but it is not many.
The rest of the blocks which are the majority are full (>998).

Sorry for bumping this, but was this ignored or missed?
sr. member
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As of today there is not much we can do, some solutions have been proposed and now we are waiting for the activation of segwit, the only thing to do now is to add a big transaction fee besides that, there is not much to do.
sr. member
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The list of miners against Segwit is way too long.
sr. member
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And second, what is the goal of a spam attack? What is gained by the attacker?

My favourite conspiracy theory is that it's some miner(s) who flood the network with transactions, forcing legitimate users to increase their fees in their normal transactions.

This works because the miner can just collect his own fees back. (of course only on the blocks they mine)  It also explains the hold up on scaling solutions.  Scaling solutions break their scam.

No proof, just fun speculation.
legendary
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How do spam attacks work? I'm assuming that a spam attack is a bunch of dust transactions with little or no fee, otherwise trying to contest the network with volume would be prohibitevly expensive. If that is the case, why do spam attacks work, because wouldn't the miners not select any of those transactions from the mr pool because they have a very low or absent transaction fee? (Or have I erred in my assumptions?)

And second, what is the goal of a spam attack? What is gained by the attacker?

step 1: have lots of money (bitcoin) to spend.
step 2: have a filthy agenda against bitcoin
step 3: send lots of transactions

it is not necessarily dust transactions, low fee, small,.... it started out (the first spam attack i saw) with 0.0001BTC with 0.0001BTC fee and since that is too obvious to find now it is random amounts with low to high fees.

here is one of them you can see: https://blockchain.info/address/1GDhoFrzbQ6Yp9LitKEH8xnWhUjhmaQRft
e.g. 77cb8ee8d319188dc42a634e171760e7881337513f82f0aec6127768d7467abd + 9e29fbe576b7f9da279c8fe6316cff6e09f0fbd3a70a99decbac978b96e91ea4 and lots of other transactions sending random amounts all with 40 inputs to make the transaction big and one output to the same destination! with seconds apart.

you can see some more here (i'll update it whenever i find a new and interesting one) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mother-of-all-spam-attacks-on-bitcoin-network-proof-1776143

If I made add, they can also creates a loop by sending low to high fees back to itself,
overloading the bitcoin network.

Nice catch there pooya87. I'm also amaze how someone will try or attempt to
disrupt the network by doing spam attack. I don't know what benefits someone
doing this to blockchain. However, I think if we have identified a rouge wallet
doing this, can we just block his bitcoin wallet to stop his malicious intent to
clogged the bitcoin network which make legitimate transaction wait for hours
or even days just to process the transaction?

 
legendary
Activity: 2982
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How do spam attacks work? I'm assuming that a spam attack is a bunch of dust transactions with little or no fee, otherwise trying to contest the network with volume would be prohibitevly expensive. If that is the case, why do spam attacks work, because wouldn't the miners not select any of those transactions from the mr pool because they have a very low or absent transaction fee? (Or have I erred in my assumptions?)

And second, what is the goal of a spam attack? What is gained by the attacker?

step 1: have lots of money (bitcoin) to spend.
step 2: have a filthy agenda against bitcoin
step 3: send lots of transactions

it is not necessarily dust transactions, low fee, small,.... it started out (the first spam attack i saw) with 0.0001BTC with 0.0001BTC fee and since that is too obvious to find now it is random amounts with low to high fees.

here is one of them you can see: https://blockchain.info/address/1GDhoFrzbQ6Yp9LitKEH8xnWhUjhmaQRft
e.g. 77cb8ee8d319188dc42a634e171760e7881337513f82f0aec6127768d7467abd + 9e29fbe576b7f9da279c8fe6316cff6e09f0fbd3a70a99decbac978b96e91ea4 and lots of other transactions sending random amounts all with 40 inputs to make the transaction big and one output to the same destination! with seconds apart.

you can see some more here (i'll update it whenever i find a new and interesting one) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mother-of-all-spam-attacks-on-bitcoin-network-proof-1776143
The attackers used to exploit the sigops limit in the blocks and intentionally created transaction with a high sigops. Since there is a limit in the blocks, the miner cannot have too many sigops in a block. The transactions that can be included is thus lesser.

I'm not sure if this problem was completely migrated or not.
hero member
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the only thing that I can see, it is that you should spend more costs to the transaction, which is the only way for you to send faster without by anyone. however it is too expensive, the administrator should try to fix this. they are the owner of a large corporation, so they have to be responsible with their customers
legendary
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How do spam attacks work? I'm assuming that a spam attack is a bunch of dust transactions with little or no fee, otherwise trying to contest the network with volume would be prohibitevly expensive. If that is the case, why do spam attacks work, because wouldn't the miners not select any of those transactions from the mr pool because they have a very low or absent transaction fee? (Or have I erred in my assumptions?)

And second, what is the goal of a spam attack? What is gained by the attacker?

step 1: have lots of money (bitcoin) to spend.
step 2: have a filthy agenda against bitcoin
step 3: send lots of transactions

it is not necessarily dust transactions, low fee, small,.... it started out (the first spam attack i saw) with 0.0001BTC with 0.0001BTC fee and since that is too obvious to find now it is random amounts with low to high fees.

here is one of them you can see: https://blockchain.info/address/1GDhoFrzbQ6Yp9LitKEH8xnWhUjhmaQRft
e.g. 77cb8ee8d319188dc42a634e171760e7881337513f82f0aec6127768d7467abd + 9e29fbe576b7f9da279c8fe6316cff6e09f0fbd3a70a99decbac978b96e91ea4 and lots of other transactions sending random amounts all with 40 inputs to make the transaction big and one output to the same destination! with seconds apart.

you can see some more here (i'll update it whenever i find a new and interesting one) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mother-of-all-spam-attacks-on-bitcoin-network-proof-1776143
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