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Topic: what will be the date of last bitcoin mined? - page 2. (Read 36220 times)

newbie
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Well, it is good in a way that it creates scarcity. So if you own bitcoins right now, those posts on how bitcoin is undervalued bitcoin is are spot on correct.

Bad because 15 mil isn't a lot. Bitcoin wants to be a global currency, and if people really get into the swing of things (ie, bitcoin ATMS - already been done, bitcoin at every online merchant) then there just isn't enough. If just 1 billion of the 6 billion people on the planet start using bitcion, 15 mil for the next few years is nothing. And how many of those coins are under a "digital mattress", stashed away for a rainy day?

Sure I get it, we will all work with 0.00001 bitcoins to buy hosting and tip each other on reddit with 0.00000001 bitcoin - you counted my zero's didn't you Smiley

And that's the problem. It becomes unmanageable and can you imagine the amount of typos people will make. 7 zeros... no wait 6 zeros.  Aaah damn I just paid 10 times more than what I was supposed to.

Dont' stone me but my bets are on Litecoin. 84 mil still isn't enough, but it is at least a bit better.
legendary
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We are already past the half way mark (11mil+ already mined). This means that we can only mine 10 million in the next 128 years.

Am I missing something? That doesn't sound right.

And yet it is right.

As you get closer to the last coin, the difficulty increases exponentially - meaning you'd need virtually infinite computer power to solve it. Add to that, the reward for finding a block reduces by half every x number of years. By the time we get even remotely close to mining the last coins, it won't be worth the power required.

You are correct about the fact that the block subsidy "reduces by half" (approximately every 4 years).  The rest of it you have some learning to do.

The year 2140 is only based on the software's current precision, which divides bitcoins up to 1/100,000,000th. This would imply that around year 2140, the block reward would become zero. However, long before 2140, the precision will be increased (to support smaller fractions of bitcoins, or floating point or whatever) so mining can continue forever.

There is no guarantee that this will happen.  It might, but it very well might not.

Mining is never "done" and the actual 21 million will never be reached (although it comes arbitrarily close).

Mining is never done because it will be supported by transaction fees.  In the current design the exact amount of bitcoins created can be calculated, it will be exactly: 20999999.97690000 BTC

Due to the accidental permanent destruction of a few bitcoins by a bug in some mining software, the total unspent outputs in the blockchain will actually be a bit less than that.

But guys... that is VERY bad. It technically speaking means that in our lifetime we'll only see around 15 mil (very wild guestimate) in our lifetimes. The last 5 million coins wil take FOREVER to mine.

Not forever.  15 million will be mined before the end of 2017 (how old are you? I expect to see 20 million mined within my lifetime, in the next 15 years).  It will about 136 years from now until the last bitcoin is mined based on the current implementation.  Why would that be bad?
sr. member
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OK, so it is basically an upside down bell curve.
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But guys... that is VERY bad. It technically speaking means that in our lifetime we'll only see around 15 mil (very wild guestimate) in our lifetimes. The last 5 million coins wil take FOREVER to mine.
Why is that bad? Remember, mining gold also becomes increasingly difficult. And similarly, it will take FOREVER to dig up the last gold out of the earth.

Knowing that we'll only at most ±15 million also means we know it's guaranteed to be scarce, thus valuable. So get your bitcoins now while you still can afford them Smiley
newbie
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OK, so it is basically an upside down bell curve.

But guys... that is VERY bad. It technically speaking means that in our lifetime we'll only see around 15 mil (very wild guestimate) in our lifetimes. The last 5 million coins wil take FOREVER to mine.

sr. member
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As you get closer to the last coin, the difficulty increases exponentially - meaning you'd need virtually infinite computer power to solve it.
That's nonsense. Difficulty only depends on the current hashing power of the network, to ensure that one block is being mined roughly every 10 minutes.

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Add to that, the reward for finding a block reduces by half every x number of years. By the time we get even remotely close to mining the last coins, it won't be worth the power required.
Not really - first of all that totally depends on the actual value of a bitcoin at that time, and second, as the block reward becomes smaller and smaller, the transaction fees will become a more and more imporant incentive for miners.
sr. member
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I have read 2140 as well as 2040, even 2114 once.
which is the correct answer? there's a lot of conflicting numbers.
The correct answer is: never.

The year 2140 is only based on the software's current precision, which divides bitcoins up to 1/100,000,000th. This would imply that around year 2140, the block reward would become zero. However, long before 2140, the precision will be increased (to support smaller fractions of bitcoins, or floating point or whatever) so mining can continue forever.

Mining is never "done" and the actual 21 million will never be reached (although it comes arbitrarily close).

We are already past the half way mark (11mil+ already mined). This means that we can only mine 10 million in the next 128 years.

Am I missing something? That doesn't sound right.
The block reward is reduced exponentially.

Every four years, half of the remaining bitcoins (that's 21 million minus the ones already in existence) are being mined.
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As you get closer to the last coin, the difficulty increases exponentially - meaning you'd need virtually infinite computer power to solve it. Add to that, the reward for finding a block reduces by half every x number of years. By the time we get even remotely close to mining the last coins, it won't be worth the power required.
newbie
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We are already past the half way mark (11mil+ already mined). This means that we can only mine 10 million in the next 128 years.

Am I missing something? That doesn't sound right.
legendary
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The EXACT date is impossible to predict.  It will depend on how much hashing power comes online and how fast it comes online.

If blocks were to be solved exactly 10 minutes apart, it would be 2140.  It suppose it could be anywhere from ten years earlier than that to ten years later.
newbie
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legendary
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Ad maiora!
I have read 2140 as well as 2040, even 2114 once.
which is the correct answer? there's a lot of conflicting numbers.
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