Topic: What will happen to the Bitcoin network if Russia blocks access to the internet? - page 2. (Read 864 times)

If Russia does another stupid act and blocks its citizens from accessing the Internet, it will be basically a problem only for Russian citizens. The world can do without part of the Russian cryptocurrency market, and for the Russians who worked in this market, it will be just a disaster. And in general, in my opinion, few people can imagine their life without the Internet. Almost all the knowledge of mankind is already concentrated there, this is a way to instantly spread any news around the world.
That is why the Putin regime decides to take such a step, he wants the citizens of Russia not to know the truth about the causes, course and consequences of the attack on Ukraine. This is, of course, stupid. After all, there are still mobile phones, but insanity in Russia is so strong that they can be reached there.

firewalled is not the same as blocked.
if all ISP's just turned off citizen access(am actual block/shutdown). its a complete different situation to the chinese firewall situation


That would mean a million more people on welfare, at least!

All the freelancers like journalists, coders, translators, all youtubers, streamers, content creators of various types, moderators, game designers, small online stores, everything would go to shit. That would mean serious drop in taxes and gigantic unemployment and migration. Sure, he can do it, but that's going to be the last nail in his coffin.
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well. its all hypothetical. kazahkstan done an actual internet shutdown(not a firewall) for a while, in some small locations.
many variables are at play

most freelancers probably already are on welfare..  unless wellpaid to have some savings to live on thus not need welfare.. after all the welfare system does not kick in and pay out the very first day you sign up.. so unless the internet shutdown is considered to be a lasting event, most wont bother signing up for welfare

by the time people try to claim welfare the internet might be switched back on. so its probably not going to cause much change.

putin might localise it to certain cities or the whole country. he might do it for a day or a week. who knows. lots of variable possibilities. which is why this topic is not a single answer fits all situations.

lots of TV/news stations in russia got cut off, many journalists lost their jobs. but thats because the new/media cut off was deemed more of a long term decision and not a temporary event..
so yes it can affect alot of people. but also might be a temporary thing. who knows what that nut case does next.

but one thing is for sure. the amount of hashpower in russia is not significant enough to cause any significant blocktime confirmation delay for the rest of the network. and wont cause any fork(because no internet means no bloc broadcast/receive within russia).

but yes russia wont switch off the internet for any silly reason. but just know that it can, as can any country. again highlighting kazahkstan as one such example.

Then you've never been to a Russian border. 
This shutdown will probably most likely include Belarus, this is how Belarus borders to western countries looks like:



with the Baltic states, the border is mainly a lake and a river and there are almost no Russian villages there the rest will be with Ukraine, lol, and Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and China mainly, champions of freedom and countries known to let poeple host free internet connections.
All the borders have been exactly cut like this strategically, remember it's the Russia we're talking about, this is not a border between Belgium and Netherlands.



Also, if you want to censor those things it's pretty easy, wi-fi jammers are far more effective than the wifi themselves and it will take simple things to block them, not even counting what Russia has on its border for every kind of radio signal already.


Exactly my point. How many will risk it knowing the consequence? 
Internet is somewhat "blocked" in China but that doesn't stop Chinese poeple from posting around, right?
It's not that much about how effective you're blocking poeple but rather the fear poeple have from what might happen next and knowing how all windows in Rusia are deathtraps, teleporting you from your ground-floor apartment to your neighbor on the 6th and throwing you out, I wouldn't bet on poeple trying to go around it.

Well; Let's say that in the first instance those who live on the border, where literally the cities are separated by a few meters, there is cellular connections available, of both countries, in this case one of them would be blocked.
I have been in border places where the Internet connection is better in Mbps that the neighboring and literal country sell these connections with the use of antennas that you can get on ebay and then an antenna point to point  of the other side of the border works.

The point is, I think way if they blocks access to the Internet it, it would not be a 100% blockade, somehow there would be a gap it would open an alternative communication technology, anyone who wanted to update a node could access it in some way. In fact, there could be a Lan network in a part of Russia that will become a WAN because of the fact of having someone nearby on the border.

They do plan on shutting it down to other nations, so connection to the world. Which means internet will keep on existing, but we will just not have Russians connecting to the rest of the world. Obviously they can easily use VPN and still connect, internet can't be limited and governments fail to see that in all around the world, you can even go online as a north Korean person. However, this will not impact crypto at all.

If you are in mining world, you are smart enough to know that you can keep on mining using a VPN connection, even would go satellite connection to some other ISP if you have to. Russians will figure it out and won't be a problem at all.

If russian blocks,all access to the internet,it will stop all connections.More business,will stop it it will not run ,whatever they wanted .So everyone must be alert and think what the should do,for our situations all ,that war in Russian.

As per the latest data Russia has almost 12% contribution towards the hash rate of the total globe. Only if you include Kazakhasthan it reaches upto about 30%. So if Russia blocks the internet then I don't see a very drastic effect of it on the Hash rate, just a 12-15% drop. If you want to take reference I would rather recommend see China, it had almost 50% contribution in the mining hash rate before China completely banned bitcoin mining from its territory even after that since then I have seen hash rate rapidly increasing instead of falling down. This might have owed to the price increase since then. Therefore I am sure Russia block access won't be a major issue for the world.

That's not how it works. If Russians run the exact same protocol as the rest of the world, then there is one coin with two competing chains. If the Russian nodes every see the other chain from the rest of the world (which will have more work), then they will abandon the Russian chain and swap over to the other chain.

It is not the same scenario as bcash, which was deliberately forked from the bitcoin protocol and therefore incompatible with bitcoin.

If you were a North Korean who had gained access to the rest of the internet, the last thing you are going to do is advertise that fact and draw attention to yourself.

Their internet is highly censored. The pages you can visit are limited, let alone the services that accept Bitcoin. There is no reason for a totalitarian government, of that level, to get involved; they already control everything.

Even if I had high chances of getting away with it, I wouldn't even try, because there's a small chance I won't have a head afterwards.

No, it's not a sudden decision and an idea that just popped into their heads now
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/28/russia-great-firewall-sovereign-internet-bill-keeping-information-in-or-out

They've started with this somewhere during 2018, made testa DNA pass legislation in 2019 as they were preparing for a fall-out even without this war, despite all the control Putin had over the media and on the voting process poeple were starting to ask themselves questions and one of the basic ones was:
- If we're a world power, the biggest country in the world, biggest gas and oil reserve, proclaimed self-sufficient in everything, why are we poorer than Bulgarians?

It was long in the planning and it's something nobody should be amazed of when it happens because it definitely will, the guy is simply going mad.


How many North Koreans you have seen around this forum?

If Russia blocks the internet, Bitcoin, at first will suffer from a price drop, but with time it will recover. It always does. In general, Bitcoin network wont suffer a lot or we will see significant changes. Take a look on North Korea and their internet. It is limited, it is controlled (lol). Yet they somehow manage to be involved in cryptocurrency. I think Russia will get same experience.

No internet doesn't necessarily mean they'll restrict the internet usage. I understood that they would simply limit it to their country only.

That isn't true. The minister of finance is pushing forward the regulation of cryptocurrencies, in general. In fact, I think we're in a period when every government is going to introduce them in their economic mechanism sooner or later. EU has withdrawn every one of their bad intentions regarding PoW. Biden took a step towards on regulating cryptocurrencies recently.

Well there could have an effect but not won't hurt the entire bitcoin, a small percentage will be noticeable and it is easy to recognize when miners will not continue to mine. But this seems very impossible to happen, stop bothering yourself about this because it will never happen that Russia will shutdown internet, most people need internet from work and to their family --it is like it belongs now to the most important necessity is the internet.
However, I have read the news before that even radio waves bitcoin can make transactions and I don't think everyone wants to explore it.

That would be total destruction to those who are the only means of living is earning from the internet and there are lots of people who are like that especially those online tutors and other activities that using the internet might not gonna work as well and they cannot make money from it. If they can do that easily, I'm pretty sure that it will take years to restore it back and it will be another addition to our so-called new normal. I don't like that idea because I've been living where the internet is crucial and essential.

It doesn't have multiple chains, it has one. Which means if there is a blockchain the whole world agrees to, and we all use it, then suddenly Russia goes out, just Russia goes out, the blockchain continues like nothing happened. If Russians are somehow trying to connect to it, they will fail, so they will have to create their own coin.

Consider it like BCH, bitcoin cash was created from Bitcoin blocks as well and became its own coin, Russians basically will have that. Bitcoin has only one, and it can't be separated like that. If you really want to find a better way, they could just use a VPN to access bitcoin even if the government blocks them.

For some reason, no one here is wondering why in Russia they decided to suddenly turn off the Internet. A few days ago, Facebook and Twitter were blocked there, and now they want to turn off the Internet altogether. The reason for this is simple: Putin does not want Russian citizens to know information about the real reasons for the invasion of Ukraine, the course of the war in Ukraine, heavy losses in manpower and equipment, rocket and bomb attacks on residential areas of cities, schools, hospitals and other similar objects, and therefore, so that riots against the bloody regime of Putin do not ripen among the people. Especially if citizens realize that their former life has deteriorated sharply precisely because of the attack on peaceful Ukraine.
At this forum, the Russians quite often approved of Putin's actions. I would like to know how they now relate to the fact that they are going to be cut off from the outside world?

If Russia ban the internet on their country probably it would be their problem only, i mean no other country included if that happens.
And i don't believe it can affect the crypto market since they only have their own digital currency not bitcoin and etc wherein it so called ruble. So i think no need to worry about that.

About a month back, it was Kazakhstan placed on the second position among the bitcoin mining hotspots. Based on electricity consumption index data for March it is said that Kazakhstan will loss its second position and the void gets filled by Russia. We don't know the reality, however at this moment Russia seems to encourage mining than making a ban.

After USA it is Russia to contribute much to crypto mining. There is very minimal chance Russia block access to the internet. If such scenario happens, a void gets created and the same gets fulfilled by other countries. So, this doesn't look like a disturbance to the cryptocurrency network.

Tricky question but mostly response would probably will not affect. Their hash rate isnt high compared to others and that fraction wouldnt badge bitcoin market or community. Russia is going a tough times right now, but Im sure their idea will jot pursue as people would probably condemned their President if ever Putin decided to do this.

I really think that the Russian government doesn't care about Bitcoin and it would ignore Bitcoin for sure.
The idea of forking Bitcoin,due to Russia cutting it's internet from the rest of the world is quite interesting.
I think that the "Russian Bitcoin" would be pretty much worthless,because it would be disconnected from the rest of the world and having little to no demand inside Russia.Being a truly global currency is one of the factors,which gives value to Bitcoin.Having a bunch of local forked Bitcoins would mean way less trading volume,hashrate power,market price and market cap(not that the market capitalization matters anyway).