Topic: What you call Bitcoin is not Bitcoin, The Hijacking story. - page 2. (Read 556 times)

CZ is a well known criminal with criminal charges.
Vitalik has created a premined project and switched to PoS against the will of all the miners.

Something else to say ?

There is nothing to talk about if its about Roger Ver.

I will also advice you OP to stop reading anything from that man.

This person have useless himself in the past, unlike LTC devs who maintained their statue and gives respect to the work of Satoshi Nakamoto, they never try to ridicule Bitcoin, they never tried to be better than Bitcoin,  Roger very on the other hand tried to dirty stain Bitcoin, talk trashes about Bitcoin and in his ugly mind he thought that what he created (BitcoinCash) was going to beat Bitcoin if he forced people to see the differences.

Today I have lost all respect for him and is types, if you are a developer who looks forward to build something good or even better just do it and don't try to lie about other good works in this space, respect yourself and do your thing.

CZ created BNB chain.
Vitalik Buterin created Ethereum.

I have never seen them talk trashed about Bitcoin, they knew they can do something good but are fine been under Bitcoin.

https://x.com/shopinbit/status/1811651225005195471
https://x.com/CoinCards/status/1809702144288882870

Can I now laugh in your face ?  

https://cryptwerk.com/analytics/monero/

 

I'm not dumping anything, I use Monero as a safe store of value. 

Well, I hope the Monero bags you are holding go up in price so that you can dump it and make a profit. But that's not going to change any facts specially about its adoption. Monero wasn't introduced yesterday, you know. The past 10 years (since inception of XMR back in 2014) has proven that this coin's adoption is what we see, it is not going to magically grow to Bitcoin level of adoption.

Monero is MUCH more scalable than Bitcoin - you would know if you weren't just another parrot repeating what other have said without making your own research.
Here's a visualization for you: https://tx.town/v/xmr-btc
Read about dynamic block size and tail-emission, there are almost as many full nodes as in Bitcoin so it's not a problem and never will because technology is evolving.
That's why having no protocol bottlenecks is important, Monero is limited only by the infrastructure (Internet speed and node CPU speed), it has no limits on the protocol as oppose to Bitcoin.

Source:
https://bitnodes.io/
https://monero.fail/map

Bcash is not another version of bitcoin, it is a copy of bitcoin like thousands of other altcoins from litecoin and ethereum all the way to bitcoin silver, bitcoin gold, etc. They are all shitcoins. And there is only one Bitcoin.

As for Monero, it is probably the only solid cryptocurrency out there other than Bitcoin but you are delusional if you think it is growing 10% as fast as Bitcoin. It has its own specific issues that has made it a not so favorable option for people to adopt. Issues such as its scaling which is far worse than what bitcoin experiences.
On top of that being anonymous by default is making its adoption harder.

I honestly don't understand why it has to be a heated debate. The crypto market is a free market. Anyone can make their coins and see if they succeed. Similarly, anyone can choose which cryptos to use, whether it's Bitcoin, Monero, or Bitcoin Cash.
Bitcoin went through some changes when SegWit was introduced. Not everyone agreed with those changes but enough people did to say that this is Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash didn't win people over, and it's not the original Bitcoin either. It's a clone with a modification that's different from the SegWit one that Bitcoin underwent. Whoever prefers it is free to do so, nothing to argue about.

Bcash is an old story book you don’t want to read anymore because you already know every word in it. The writer is Roger V and he has been saying the same old crap for the last 7 years or smth. He was cool when he was pro-btc but not anymore. He and his Chinese friend Jihan tried to kill btc’s decentralization and failed. That’s all there is to know about him.

Price is a pretty good indicator that something is popular, wouldn't you say? Its tough to use a crypto as a currency if its price does nothing but go down, especially when compared to Bitcoin.

I understand you are pro Monero, that's great. But shitting on Bitcoin to make... whatever point it is you trying to make seems like a dumb strategy.

The reason it's mandatory to people who care is because people are brainwashed like you are now, there's no twisting of anything - only facts linked to true events which are all visible to anyone who wants to know.
Fortunately more and more people are aware of the true situation, whether you like it or not.
But feel free to stay blind, no one is forcing you to know the truth.  

Enjoy Bitcoin Core, just don't call the whole cryptocurrency scene a scam when it collapses  

Bitcoin Core (what you call Bitcoin) crypto market dominance is currently at ~55%, I think it's fair to say it's an altcoin as well, and not a very good one...

BTW, it's funny how people like you never have any proofs or facts to say against Roger Ver except generic "he is a traitor".
You know why it's funny ? because it's obvious you didn't do any research and just repeating what other Bitcoin Core evangelists said.

I'm all into Monero but it's obvious to me from reading all the facts and hearing both sides that Bitcoin Cash is more in line with Satoshi vision than Bitcoin Core.
The whole drama aside, code speaks for itself and Bitcoin Cash is just better Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, remember that ? "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System".
It was not meant to be: "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-CeX-to-Peer Electronic Real-Estate System" or more likely today: CeX-to-CeX.

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
 

Try to revoke this statement because there is nothing mandatory here for anyone to learn from, we have to made a decision on whether to go through it or not, but in some cases, we many people like Roger Ver in which we already know what they were commonly known for, wasting time on reading more about them may not be needed, they keep making controversial post on the social media and twisting on peoples opinions about bitcoin and altcoin they call bitcoincash.

Monero has much bigger growth potential, it has much more stable price when it comes to FIAT pairs (Bitcoin is too volatile to compare) and it's not an illusion that it is being used more than Bitcoin for purchases.

I live in EU and use it often, you can't ban Monero because it is fully decentralized and has a working DeX.
It's like with BitTorrent protocol and piracy content, it's illegal ? yes, did they manage to stop it using all the Hollywood money ? Nope. Why ? Because it's decentralized.


Yes, this other factors are: Speculation, Speculation, Speculation.
Edit: Forgot about Promises, endless promises of L2's fixing this unscalable junk. L2's that can't even work properly when network has too much traffic due to too small block.

You are talking about possibility of paying with Bitcoin anywhere sometime in future while with Monero you can already do so, you can buy anything from Amazon using Monero:
https://monezon.com/

Now let's say EU decides Bitcoin is illegal, now what ? it's F-ed because it's transparent and so too dangerous to use.
Privacy by default on protocol level ensures that whatever this gov monkeys decide, we will still be able to use it.

The problem with Bitcoin is that people don't want to use it because it's too expensive and too slow to use even today.
That's why Steam platform and other big companies have ditched it, that's why it failed to adopt in El Salvador.

But how are you going to get people to invest in Monero ​​for profit when its price is almost 70% below its ATH it achieved 3 years ago? On the other hand, in the same period, BTC achieved a price increase of about 100%.

The fact that the price of Monero will increase because people (allegedly) use it more and more for transactions is just an illusion, because let's say I live in the EU in a country where private coins are literally banned, you can't trade with them or pay anywhere, while on the other hand with BTC you can buy literally anything you want.

The price of BTC is currently driven by some other factors and has almost nothing to do with whether BTC will be used less and less as a currency.

If they are in for profit then maybe they should get Monero, see above.  

It will only get worse for Bitcoin as it's being used less and less.

Another Monero shill? What the hell is wrong with you these days that you have started (again) with your apocalyptic ideas about Bitcoin? Monero has its advantages over BTC, but you ignore the fact that most people invest in Bitcoin for profit, not to use it as a currency or to protect privacy.

Besides, who even cares what that Judas says, all the good he did in the past for BTC he destroyed after that and now he is in the same category as CW Faketoshi, Gavin Andersen and the like.

Oh yes, Bitcoin is doing GREAT! (but only if you are blinded by the "number goes up"):

https://x.com/shopinbit/status/1811651225005195471
https://x.com/CoinCards/status/1809702144288882870

Bitcoin - Digital Comedy Gold  



Higher res:
https://i.imgur.com/o0SOSZF.jpeg

Seems like Bitcoin is doing quite well, and its imposters are not.

...And since when we should care about what Government thinks ? You're one of those people who wear mask on their face because gov said so ? and took untested "vaccine"  ?
Government is not our friend, it's just a bunch of people who want more power. The sooner you realize it the better for you.
If Satoshi was taking into account what Government thinks he wouldn't create Bitcoin in the first place.


Here's a quick summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eafzIW52Rgc&t=1049s

It's over for Bitcoin (whatever version, Core/Cash) anyway, Monero is taking over anywhere both are present.

Well given that Roger Ver is a big blocker, of course the idea of Bitcoin not having a larger block size is repulsive to him.

I didn't watch the video but this is probably going to be a recurring theme within it that I am going to infer now.

I mean, if people actually thought that big blocks were all that was going to be needed to make Bitcoin a fiat-killer, then that is misleading. Governments would never accept Bitcoin as something like that unless it succumbed to a lot of regulatory concessions that would have been easier to implement with big blocks (i.e. less nodes).

Can you give me a quick summary of the video, I watched Roger Ver's documentary in 2015 and he was very positive about Bitcoin but since 2017 things have changed and I think he will continue with the same narrative. If it contains facts outside of BCH's vision it might be useful.