Topic: What You Need to Do Before Choosing a Tipster (Read 456 times)

good resources indeed , the point of the thread isn't to mention certain resources but it's just to make some people more informed in case they want to start betting with tipsters
sadly there are many tipsters in the forums here that offer their picks for crazy price without even having value or a profitable record
that's why I created this thread in the first place

http://Http://www.betstyle.es/
http://Https://blogabet.com/
Betrush.com/
These websites have good tips, but you need to consume a lot of accounts.
These websites may be the best on the Internet, but some of the top reminders do not send any hints on the Internet.

man seriously ?? why you won't pay a profitable tipster who actually put in time to analyze the games ??
you and me are getting paid from signatures for doing something that we will anyway do , so why a tipster shouldn't be rewarded for his time ??
in order to keep up to date with the games you need to stick to the screen and keep watching the news and the markets

it's not an easy job

There are also good tipsters out there that provide good, quality tips. Tipsters offer a legitimate service that should be paid. A good tipster puts effort into his/her work, and these people should be paid.

Some tipsters have years of prediction experience, and gaining prediction experience yourself can be time-consumimg. It's entirely possible to learn to predict yourself, but if you're not willing to do so, buying a subscription from a tipster is a convenient and easy way to make picks.

I would like to add your points make total sense and i got an idea of what you are trying to say but i feel it is completely unecessary to even pay the tipster there is no way that a person doesn't know anything about all the sports in the world what he can do is specialise in that sport he loves to watch and casual start betting based on your experience or just search online so many people provide tips for free which do work

not really , the past verified record is what you need to look for since trial can't give you enough info except the time when the tipster posts his picks
let's say the tipster gives you 3 free picks and they all lost , can you judge his performance from these picks ?? of course no since trial only focus on the very short run


that's why it's important to buy only picks with verified past records , I do have a thread that tracks tipsters results that I bought their subscription you can check it out here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17941510

Must be a great guide you have come with. But the problems is paid reviews and fake/rigged previous records. Yes, when we want to cross check a tipster's performance, we need to subscribe their services at least of one month if they do not have trail kind of things. Just listening to reviews by existing clients or the performance records produced by the houses and any other things similar to these should not be considered as most of them are fake with most of the prediction houses.

Demo and test outs is the common thing on where gamblers or bettors do always seek out before trusting a certain tipster.Most of tipsters do give demo either 1-2 picks depending into their own choice which is somehow hard to entrust to follow or paid up on such service.Checking out history and winning chances is crucial and even though other people do rather made bets on their own but still there are bettors which do rely on tipsters and as you said they are much better than on a typical gambler.

well yeah tipster isn't a god , but since you are paying for the service you should expect him to do way better than the average gamblers
demos are always nice , but to be honest you can't judge a tipster by a demo cause most demos are between one day and a week and this is really a short period to judge
a demo is good just to get used with the service , like to know at what time usually the tipster posts the picks

tipster is not a god, tipster is also the same as us humans. sometimes they can be true or even miss. professional tipster working on the basis of data and analysis, they have complete data. even they rarely sleep just to ensure the outcome of the match.
6. Choose who already has a big name in the world of gambling soccer
7. Tips can be tested directly
I think if the good tipster they can give a demo for us who are looking for a qualified tipster.

Checking for each tipsters' track records is what came to my mind as well, mate. But, I thought that each tipster is good in few genres, and if not - their sub-genres. So, let's say that tipster A asks for $500 as a fee for his 1 month tips for English Premier League and tipster B charges $290 for Serie A matches' tips per month. What I'm trying to convey here is: ask both of these tipsters to get out of their genre and take the challenge and let tipster B give some bets for English Premier League matches as well tipster A should give tips on Serie A matches. I know I'll be criticized over my thinking, but I believe that their skills should be tested at extreme levels to check whether they really deserve our money or not? As it's not just the money that we'll be giving to them, it's about the money that we'll be betting with in order to gain better ROI back (what we gave them) and make good profits.

@Oceat,
I believe that when it comes to money, we always go beyond limits to keep our end safe.

I really think it's not necessary to ask everything if you already have his track record, that level of doubt is beyond if you want to ask more for a tipster unless you double the payment. Some tipsters are good but you better have to do your own work instead, having a good track record for a tipster is enough to trust them.

well no I don't think so , as long as you have the records for both tipsters there is no need to make them compete against others
I mean if you already have the info about them and you have the records you can use your judgments to choose between them , at the end there is no one forcing you to subscribe for a certain tipster

This is a good idea but I don't think it would ever work as tipsters would have a lot of pressure on them. I remember the direcbet betting competition, and only Joca was a regular tipster there, and even then he would usually have a very "aggressive" approach and didn't made his regular bets there. The prizes were pretty good actually, so there was an incentive, but they just prefer to play it safe and avoid confrontation.

Hope this would also be an alternative in choosing the BEST tipster out of a list of tipsters:

6. Ask them to give/accept a challenge from a tipster of their level
To testify the skills of a tipster, it is necessary for us to put them under the rules of probation and ask them to compete with someone already having a good (or even better) track records than them. As it is our money we will be betting with, and even paying a higher fee to such tipsters, we do have the right to see if they are actually the ones we should rely upon, and whether they really deserve our money or not? Choosing a tipster is a very arduous task and we need to have all odds on our side and see if the tipster we trust - makes it through their years of experience, hard work and research or not against whom they compete.

@SyGambler ok I get it now. We were using different time frames for ROI%. I was considering that percentage to be the overall return of investment of all of the tipster bets on a given time frame (either an average of 10% a week, or 10% a month etc). So from this point of view it wouldn't matter the number of picks offered, because we would be getting the same profit overall.
Of course that if you are considering the ROI% of every single tip, then I totally agree with you, and volume of bets matters a lot.

As for the odds, your example makes perfect sense. Again, I was still focused on overall ROI% so the odds wouldn't matter if the service was offered this way. But I guess you are correct and some tipsters might be saying their bets are made at a certain price, but in reality, the user getting the service never gets the price the tipster claims to be offering.

I never used tipping services, so I thought they offered a more simple way to track their progress (like an overall ROI% of their entire punter career, and an overall ROI% of the time frame of their service, like on a monthly basis, or weekly basis, etc.)

Again, nice thread and your points make perfect sense.

hey Fruegaurds , ROI is Return on Investment so when you follow picks for a tipster that has 5% ROI for example you will be expecting to make 0.05 unit everytime you bet
but the volume is so important , so if a tipster has 10% ROI that doesn't mean that he is a better investment than a tipster with 3% ROI

let's take an example , if a tipster with 10% ROI gives 2picks a week and you are betting 100$ on each match you are expecting to make 20 dollars a week
while if another tipster with 3% ROI gives out 5 picks a day you would be making 3 dollars on each match so in a whole week you would make 105$
so the 2nd tipster made you more money since he has a high volume
it's just to clear a point that you should look to both ROI and volume and the higher the volume the better value you get

point 4 is important too , if the tipster is giving higher odds than the available odds then he is lying about his profit and he may not even be profitable
another example : let's say that a tipster gave out 100 handicap picks where he told his followers that the odds for these picks are X2.00
but the followers tried to find these odds for the picks and ended only finding X1.95
let's say the 50 of the picks won and 50 lost , the odds that tipster gave would break even but his followers lost money
on papers the tipster publicly is  a break even tipster but in practice he is a loser
so if you see that example you can find that some tipsters may say that they have 3% ROI , but since they are faking the odds they may turn out to be loser tipsters


about the trial for sure it's good when it's available , but the most sites that I saw so far don't offer trial

I enjoyed reading your thread and you make a lot of sense, but I didn't understood a few things, specially on point 3 and 4.

When you are talking about ROI%, I'm assuming your talking about it's overall profit, at least that's how I usually use ROI%. So if a punter has 10% overall profit, it shouldn't matter if he makes more or less bets than a punter making 3% overall profit. Assuming he manages to keep his record, and you follow every tip, then you would be better with the one having 10%, even though he only bet on 2 or 3 games a week.

Seeing ROI% the way I do, I guess that point 4 would not be very important as well. Again, I'm assuming someone would be following every bet offered by the tipster. Some would have high odds, other would have low odds, but in the end he would get those %10 average profit.

Another thing I would find important, would be a trial offering.

thanks for your words , yeah the tipsters I follow have reasoable price and tracked results by 3rd party software
IDK there may be some good tipsters here but wasn't contacted by any of them , I liked some stats for 2 tipsters here but the price they take is so crazy to take so decided to not purchase any other subscription for now since the one I follow already are good
with the coming days I may contact some of them here if they lower their prices and they start to provide full record of how they did in the past

and I actually hope the community here  will help with that , you can see that there are tons of tipsters threads and if we all start demanding the tipsters to track their results this will be way better for all of us ( tipster and customers )
sadly the tipsters that track their results here are mostly new tipsters and they have small record to judge

checking and taking into account the budget for gambling and the risks we might get is a necessity, buying a tipster is the best move because it gives us a bigger chance of winning the bet. certainly no less important to check the history, whether the price is given a decent tipster we take when looking at history good or bad tipster he gave