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Oh my, the things people come up with...

They will end up in dumps like old computer hardware today, what did ya think?
I can definitely see them tossed if they no longer work, I can even see some tossed if it's too expensive to run them.  ASIC's are not like the old 8088 computers that take 10 days to do what my system can do in 10 minutes.  Unless someone cracks quantum computing, I see a minority being trashed.

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The PS4 is coming out soon, yet I still have a PS2 and a PS3.  Even though I plan on purchasing one, I plan on keeping them, others may or may not agree. 

ASIC are a pro tool and not some home entertainment center.
I dunno, I'm entertained everytime I get a message in the corner of my screen that I got sent BTC from my pool.  While it doesn't not happen as often as it used to, it does still happen.

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What'll happen to ASICs when they're no longer profitable to run?

BFL will then ship them to customers.


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Oh my, the things people come up with...

They will end up in dumps like old computer hardware today, what did ya think?

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The PS4 is coming out soon, yet I still have a PS2 and a PS3.  Even though I plan on purchasing one, I plan on keeping them, others may or may not agree. 

ASIC are a pro tool and not some home entertainment center.
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I've been wondering this for a while.... Tens of millions of dollars in equipment will lose money if run in roughly a year (assuming price doesn't skyrocket).

So what happens with it? Will organizations, perhaps the Bitcoin Foundation, buy these units and keep the hashpower on the network for added security, running them at a slight loss, perhaps? Will they be repurposed somehow? Will they simply be thrown away? Will the current owners just keep mining?

While on the topic -- is running obsolete equipment a disservice (long-term) to Bitcoin by making newer, more effective ASICs less attractive? People talk about running their GPUs, FPGAs, and ASICs (in the future) for the sake of the network, but isn't that actually just making it less likely for people to buy or design/develop/manufacture new ASICs since the profit projection would be lower?
You have different goups of people out there.  Some will sell their equipment, some will discard it, some may try an alt coin (doubtful), the rest will keep mining.  Since the ASIC is built for only 1 purpose, I really cannot see them being repurposed.  I cannot see turning a Formula 1 car into a family sedan.

I do not see how running any type of equipment could be a disservice.  I saw someone post that where they worked they had a server farm built and tested, but the customer would not be 'occupying' it for another month or so, and he decided to point them all at Primcoin to do some earning instead of sitting idle.  The only downside of obsolete equipment as you call it is that you are spending more than you are earning.  At that point it pretty much becomes a hobby.

If the manufacturers actually CAN make something that is better, I am sure they will.  The question will become whether their ability to improve upon what they have now will be profitable when sold to the customer *and* if the customer thinks it is worth buying.  The PS4 is coming out soon, yet I still have a PS2 and a PS3.  Even though I plan on purchasing one, I plan on keeping them, others may or may not agree.  
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alt coins are mined as they have lower difficulty and will ultimately be convertable to btc.
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I've been wondering this for a while.... Tens of millions of dollars in equipment will lose money if run in roughly a year (assuming price doesn't skyrocket).

So what happens with it? Will organizations, perhaps the Bitcoin Foundation, buy these units and keep the hashpower on the network for added security, running them at a slight loss, perhaps? Will they be repurposed somehow? Will they simply be thrown away? Will the current owners just keep mining?

While on the topic -- is running obsolete equipment a disservice (long-term) to Bitcoin by making newer, more effective ASICs less attractive? People talk about running their GPUs, FPGAs, and ASICs (in the future) for the sake of the network, but isn't that actually just making it less likely for people to buy or design/develop/manufacture new ASICs since the profit projection would be lower?

I don't see many folks turning off ASIC's in the next year.  I think miners are bulls by nature and so most of us here seem to think price will increase (which obviously doesn't affect BTC ROI but that is a very different discussion).  I think a lot of miners are hoping for an increase so they can stave off saturation point longer! 

Assuming no increase it's kind of hard to say what people will do.  I think there are just too many factors on an individual level for there to be a real majority of people doing one thing.

Factors like:
"free" electricity, hobbyist (helping secure/decentralize network, willing to run at slight loss), capital investment of hardware, efficiency of hardware (130nm or 110nm Avalon vs 28nm everyone else), how much (if any) profit was made before "saturation point" is reached (when electrical cost for 1 BTC = 1 BTC mined).

Because of the imperfect information system I can see us overshooting the mark (by how much I won't guess) and a lot of people will run these machines quite a while mining negligible amounts chasing their investment.
 
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I've been wondering this for a while.... Tens of millions of dollars in equipment will lose money if run in roughly a year (assuming price doesn't skyrocket).

So what happens with it? Will organizations, perhaps the Bitcoin Foundation, buy these units and keep the hashpower on the network for added security, running them at a slight loss, perhaps? Will they be repurposed somehow? Will they simply be thrown away? Will the current owners just keep mining?

While on the topic -- is running obsolete equipment a disservice (long-term) to Bitcoin by making newer, more effective ASICs less attractive? People talk about running their GPUs, FPGAs, and ASICs (in the future) for the sake of the network, but isn't that actually just making it less likely for people to buy or design/develop/manufacture new ASICs since the profit projection would be lower?
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