Topic: What's next for Gavin?? (Read 1580 times)
At some point he'll end up being at least figurehead for Conformal's go implementation of the Bitcoin protocol and other software, though he'll likely make some contributions as well.
I forsee a fairly bright future for Conformal. It will be 'most convenient' to use their implementation for those who choose to operate under a 'bitcoin license.' Easier to 'conform' I reckon.
I personally think that Gavin is a nice and smart person and I would like to see him around Bitcoin in one way or another. By the time the scalability debate started I felt that the block size would eventually need to increase and was on Gavin's side of the argument. However, it took all of us months and months to actually understand what this particular limitation is about and how to approach it in a responsible way.
It's good that XT kick-started this fruitful discussion and resulted in an improved understanding of how Bitcoin works, while being a perfect test for the community as well. With the knowledge that we've gained we can work together towards the common goal of improving Bitcoin and make the adjustment when the time is right.
It's good that XT kick-started this fruitful discussion and resulted in an improved understanding of how Bitcoin works, while being a perfect test for the community as well. With the knowledge that we've gained we can work together towards the common goal of improving Bitcoin and make the adjustment when the time is right.
I wonder whether he created a plan of action in case XT blew up in his face. It was a rather bold move.
I don't think so. They thought XT would get a lot of support because apparently they had the support of a big part of miners and a big part of businesses plus all the people being pissed off at a small blocksize. Well it turns out it backfired when they made it clear that XT is a big gov spying backdoor.
Both Gavin and Mike have said repeatedly, Ad nauseam, that they don't care what the miners think. In a recent video, Gavin said 6 times over a span of about an hour that the economic majority was all that mattered. Then he said over and over again that Coinbase and Bitpay were the voice of that majority.
Now - at this point in time - it should be pretty obvious that Bitpay is run by incompetent lightweights that only know how to burn through cash, and Coinbase is run by executives that hope to corner the market .. and eventually own, control, and monopolize the entire bitcoin space.
I wonder whether he created a plan of action in case XT blew up in his face. It was a rather bold move.
I don't think so. They thought XT would get a lot of support because apparently they had the support of a big part of miners and a big part of businesses plus all the people being pissed off at a small blocksize. Well it turns out it backfired when they made it clear that XT is a big gov spying backdoor.
I wonder whether he created a plan of action in case XT blew up in his face. It was a rather bold move.
Gavin should probably take a vacation after the XT incident and reevaluate the situation. He should drop Mike and work on his own to improve Bitcoin in form of BIPs and not trying to hard fork it. If a BIP is good and tons of people want it it will get accepted eventually, we don't need hard forks.
Yeah, I think he'll go on a sabbatical for some time after XT. He'll be saying that those white male libertarian bros are toxic.
We are all whitenesses that the XT idea probably won't work. What's next for Gavin if his XT goes down the drain as it seems it's happening?
Have we as a community just lost one of our devs? And not just any dev, but the one to whom Satoshi has left Bitcoin and development of Bitcoin in a sense.
Have we as a community just lost one of our devs? And not just any dev, but the one to whom Satoshi has left Bitcoin and development of Bitcoin in a sense.
He'll go to NXT and create NXT-XT and then take over the development from there.
Gavin should probably take a vacation after the XT incident and reevaluate the situation. He should drop Mike and work on his own to improve Bitcoin in form of BIPs and not trying to hard fork it. If a BIP is good and tons of people want it it will get accepted eventually, we don't need hard forks.
Nothing much will change. People who generally haven't understood the fundamental concept of open source software will still try to spread the myth that it was some sort of failed coup attempt, but anyone who actually belongs here knows it actually wasn't that big a deal. All the developers involved will continue to develop and all the trolls in the community will continue to troll (ineffectively).
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
Hopefully he will break ties with Mike and drop all the "spy stuff" from his code
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
Guys, honestly I didn't start this thread so that we start bashing again. We had enough of this until now and it didn't solve anything. I appreciate all the answers and all of the opinions so far but please let's keep this civilized without fuding, accusing, etc..
Thank you!
I'll try to phrase it as politely as possible, but I won't leave misinformation unchallenged. Otherwise more people will buy into it and start repeating it.
There are definitely certain profiles on this board that need to be kept in chek. [cough cough]
Nothing much will change. People who generally haven't understood the fundamental concept of open source software will still try to spread the myth that it was some sort of failed coup attempt, but anyone who actually belongs here knows it actually wasn't that big a deal. All the developers involved will continue to develop and all the trolls in the community will continue to troll (ineffectively).
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
Hopefully he will break ties with Mike and drop all the "spy stuff" from his code
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
Guys, honestly I didn't start this thread so that we start bashing again. We had enough of this until now and it didn't solve anything. I appreciate all the answers and all of the opinions so far but please let's keep this civilized without fuding, accusing, etc..
Thank you!
Nothing much will change. People who generally haven't understood the fundamental concept of open source software will still try to spread the myth that it was some sort of failed coup attempt, but anyone who actually belongs here knows it actually wasn't that big a deal. All the developers involved will continue to develop and all the trolls in the community will continue to troll (ineffectively).
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
Hopefully he will break ties with Mike and drop all the "spy stuff" from his code
This FUD is still being spread? The "spy stuff" code everyone was soiling themselves over is also in the repository for core and anyone running any Bitcoin node can choose to run it if they want. If someone running a node wants to ban you, they're more than welcome to and for any reason they choose. You could be connected to a node running it right now and you wouldn't even know. It's not malicious, it doesn't do anything harmful. Again, certain actors in the community creating a bunch of drama over nothing. Don't believe the hype.
In fact, the person/account who initially caused that particular storm in a teacup has posted in this very thread and they're still spreading the myth of Gavin attempting to "hijack bitcoin and to be the project leader". Funny coincidence, that.
We are all whitenesses that the XT idea probably won't work. What's next for Gavin if his XT goes down the drain as it seems it's happening?
Have we as a community just lost one of our devs? And not just any dev, but the one to whom Satoshi has left Bitcoin and development of Bitcoin in a sense.
Have we as a community just lost one of our devs? And not just any dev, but the one to whom Satoshi has left Bitcoin and development of Bitcoin in a sense.
it will work if you have to pay 1 Dollar for each transaction. would be wise to increase the blocksize of qt before that will happen.
Gavin have enough resilience and passion for Crypto currencies and Bitcoin to continue what he has been doing for years. It's not as if he was working full time on Bitcoin for the
last couple of years anyway. He will make changes to his suggestion and submit a new BIP and we will see a new fork again. It's just how this thing works.
Hopefully he will break ties with Mike and drop all the "spy stuff" from his code and contribute positively to the Bitcoin community again. If he does that, he will be going in
the right direction for his future.
last couple of years anyway. He will make changes to his suggestion and submit a new BIP and we will see a new fork again. It's just how this thing works.
Hopefully he will break ties with Mike and drop all the "spy stuff" from his code and contribute positively to the Bitcoin community again.
If he does that, he will be going inthe right direction for his future.
he will join core again and make a less furious change, like 2mb, just to be safe for now, at least this hould be his best way, to reeem himself
I don't think much will change really, XT will die quietly and everything will go back to normal.
i hope he doesn't just give up and leave bitcoin. he should do an assessment of what he did wrong and start over. i think forking bitcoin while a large portion of community was against it, was wrong in the first place so the result of it is nothing out of the ordinary.
In my view, all relevant/active Bitcoin developers should voluntarily submit to random drug testing. I watched a video not long ago and Gavin looked glassy eyed. I'm not sure about his meds, but no one in their right mind could have thought up BIP101.
Yeah, we need GB block sizes, ummm, okay. Let's double every week, why wait two years. lol
Yeah, we need GB block sizes, ummm, okay. Let's double every week, why wait two years. lol
He'll wait for the next major issue and use it to push his agenda again.
Maybe he will try again and propose another solution. I dont know what he might be thinking. He is one of the minds behind the development. I just thought there will always be another way to get around to the problem of the blocksize limitation issue and just because he didn't managed to push through this time, doesn't mean that he will just give up and dissappear just like that.
Prediction: This thread will devolve into the same controversy that's been discussed in a dozen other threads
in the last month, with the same participants and the same arguments.
in the last month, with the same participants and the same arguments.
I haven't seen in any threads so far discussion on what will be Gavin's future or I have missed these discussions. This is a legitimate and very interesting question especially now when we are seeing that the XT won't live glorious life as some have expected.
I wouldn't like that thread goes to drama and pointing fingers. I would just want opinions, is Gavin done or what his future might hold?
I think he's still the chief scientist of Bitcoin. He acted pretty responsibly by not releasing his changes in core without consensus, even though he can. He stepped down from the benevolent dictator role and took a very reasoned measure by releasing what he thought was a sensible scaling solution in an alternate client.
Controversy to start in ...3...2...1...
He still has commit access of Core? I though he had steped down.
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