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legendary
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March 09, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
#11
Do people who buy miners and have free electricity can still have a Positive ROI after investing into mining gear in the current time ?

I got free electricity and I would NEVER pay retail for a miner, so I just got some used S3's and got ROI after a month.

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March 09, 2015, 11:09:38 AM
#10
If you have free electricity, then yes, you could still buy gear and ROI. - But check on your electricity. A dorm room won't support an SP31, they just don't run enough power to your room. Same with a lot of small apartments. Check your electrical panel before buying a miner.
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March 09, 2015, 11:05:53 AM
#9
Do people who buy miners and have free electricity can still have a Positive ROI after investing into mining gear in the current time ?
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March 09, 2015, 10:49:55 AM
#8
Hey asswipe,

Price actually does matter a lot. Can't pay for your electricity in BTC fixed prices. You pay in currency.

You're welcome,

Someone who runs a data centre
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March 09, 2015, 08:53:57 AM
#7
It depends on your price predictions. If you see bitcoin hitting $500 this year, you may be better off mining, as your "profit" per month would improve significantly with the price. Difficulty will trail price by several months, there just isn't the capacity to host that many more miners. So you'd mine almost as many as in the $275 scenario, but get to keep more each month.

Right now, your margin is only about 50%. At $500, it would be 70%. (Although difficulty would pick up to eat away at that.)

But there are a lot of factors to consider. If the $500 rise comes in the last two weeks of the 12 month year, then no, it won't have made sense. If it comes earlier in the year, then yes it would have.

If the price drops to $100, you own a very expensive paper weight.

It isn't as simple as "buy and hold" BTC, but honestly, until the price is above $300, I would say "Buy and hold" is the safer strategy.

If the price stays steady here, then no, it is hard to justify.

Your factors are:

1) Current Price
2) Future price
3) Rate of change towards future price
4) Difficulty (from the perspective of technological innovation)
5) Rate of change of difficulty to react to future price (demand for new miners)
6) Hosting costs
7) Cost of equipment
Cool Rate of change of hosting and equipment with future price (When profits were through the roof in late 2013, hosting was 25 cents/kwh due to lack of space and heavy demand)

Also, a big factor is whether you consider hosting a "sunk cost" upfront or a reoccurring monthly cost, that will affect your numbers as well.
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March 09, 2015, 07:38:33 AM
#6
Maybe because people aren't doing the right analysis and risk calculation before putting in the money.
And its on;y the rich, who can currently go about purchasing the expensive rigs
 
legendary
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March 09, 2015, 04:14:57 AM
#5
i think people are still buying despite the non-profit, because mining it's simply fun, also many newbie want to discover it

it's a bit like gaming
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March 09, 2015, 04:12:07 AM
#4
I'm paying about 0.03$/kw for my electricity which is really low. I live in an apartment with two other guys and we split the electricity bill (they have no idea I have few ants running on my balcony Tongue)

That's a pretty assholish thing to do. Imagine what they will do when they find out you are taking advantage of them.

Propably yea although running two S3's with one 750W PSU doesn't use much power : )
If I'll expand the mine more I'll have a discussion with them : )
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March 09, 2015, 03:53:48 AM
#3
I'm paying about 0.03$/kw for my electricity which is really low. I live in an apartment with two other guys and we split the electricity bill (they have no idea I have few ants running on my balcony Tongue)

That's a pretty assholish thing to do. Imagine what they will do when they find out you are taking advantage of them.
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March 09, 2015, 03:05:41 AM
#2
I'm paying about 0.03$/kw for my electricity which is really low. I live in an apartment with two other guys and we split the electricity bill (they have no idea I have few ants running on my balcony Tongue)
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We're going to need a bigger heatsink.
March 09, 2015, 03:03:15 AM
#1
Why the hell are people still buying hardware?

I was simulating purchasing an sp31 for 1500 shipped (which seems to be the going price nowadays) and hosting it for 6 months @ 60usd/kw/mo (which is a pretty damned low price) and came to realize: there is no realistic chance of ever making my money back. Hell, even at 1% difficulty increments, I will only hit ~75% of my money back after 6 months. At 5% or higher, the picture gets pretty freaking dim.

Calculator link (includes hosting cost into miner cost):

http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=47427554951&dcosts=2724&diff_mincrease=1&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=4900000&diff_mincreasedecrease=0.1&btcusd=274.87&dpowcon=3400&btcusd_mincrease=0&pcost=0&calcweeks=13&dleadtime=0&action=calc

So, my question for my fellow miners out there: How are you planning to break even? Free power?  Smiley
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