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Topic: What’s the nature of consensus? - page 2. (Read 265 times)

legendary
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Beyond Imagination
August 16, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
#8
I told you in your previous article that consensus is easy in the world of crypto, but it is difficult or impossible in the world of humans, I did not fully understand until now how do you expect consensus to occur in the human world through the spread or acceptance of Bitcoin? Is it enough for Bitcoin to spread and accept it around the world for the consensus you are talking about to be achieved? I did not understand how humans would be able to obtain consensus while wars, hatred, and malice were spreading among the human race? I also did not understand how there can be consensus among countries? Can powerful and rich countries give up their international standing, power and civilization to poor countries? Can there be consensus in choosing one leader who will lead the whole world through one rule, one decision and one laws?

Just like Tulip mania, everyone reached consensus that it is a way to get rich quick. Here it is the same, only the time frame is different: Tulip mania could last maximum a year, while bitcoin mania could last for decades or forever, if the fiat money supply keep increasing exponentially
legendary
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Binance #SWGT and CERTIK Audited
August 16, 2021, 12:43:39 PM
#7
I told you in your previous article that consensus is easy in the world of crypto, but it is difficult or impossible in the world of humans, I did not fully understand until now how do you expect consensus to occur in the human world through the spread or acceptance of Bitcoin? Is it enough for Bitcoin to spread and accept it around the world for the consensus you are talking about to be achieved? I did not understand how humans would be able to obtain consensus while wars, hatred, and malice were spreading among the human race? I also did not understand how there can be consensus among countries? Can powerful and rich countries give up their international standing, power and civilization to poor countries? Can there be consensus in choosing one leader who will lead the whole world through one rule, one decision and one laws?
member
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August 16, 2021, 12:25:53 PM
#6
Consensus is general agreement, like on the issue of civilization that you raised some Countries  accept the civilization when it was brought to them while some are still in the dark Era. The essence of civilization is growth and development for the economy.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
August 16, 2021, 11:52:04 AM
#5
The most widely spread consensus in the world currently could be English language, it is just a universal way of communication

But that was established during the phase of colonization for centuries, to establish similar level of consensus on bitcoin is much more difficult, currently only prevail in IT nerds and some financial people who have very good IT knowledge
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August 16, 2021, 02:17:22 AM
#4

The Olympic spirit reflects the development of human civilization from one aspect, as well as the consensus on the concept of truth, goodness and beauty and harmonious development---faster, higher, and stronger.

The consensus I understand is the spirit or order that everyone is willing to abide by.

For every sovereign country in the world, the consensus is how to achieve the balance of interests of each country, rather than power politics like the United States. A large part of the United States' power comes from the currency hegemony of the US dollar. The key to solving this problem is to rebuild the trust mechanism. Therefore, the essential meaning of consensus is how to establish a global trust system.

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Entropy increase: Entropy increase means that the system becomes more and more chaotic. There is a well-known theorem about entropy increase: in the absence of external force, everything develops from order to disorder, and eventually forms entropy death.

Entropy reduction: Entropy reduction is the inverse situation of entropy increase. It is said that the system becomes more and more orderly under the action of external forces.


Human desire is entropy increase, and human reason is entropy decrease.

Bitcoin is a powerful external force that generates consensus. It is a great attempt to solve the power center, hegemony center, economic center, and technology center. This is a transition from a human trust system to a trust system based on algorithms and technology (smart contracts).

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1. Distributed database: used to store past and future transaction data

2. The public and private key system of cryptography: used to confirm the identities of both parties to the transaction

3. P2P network: used to broadcast and spread all kinds of messages (such as node joining message, node failure message, and mining data information)

4. Consensus mechanism: Determine the node's bookkeeping rights, as well as the selection process and reasons for the bookkeeping rights.


This consensus is a clear, reasonable, and impeccable logic. The ultimate goal of the consensus is decentralization, efficiency, and security, which is a more stable iron triangle.
copper member
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August 15, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
#3
Consensus is essentially the resonance of one's own thoughts and the thoughts of others.
The importance of the consensus mechanism is that it can produce rules that have the final say. Everyone finally did what the rules said together, and the choice of the rules was decided by everyone.
It can also be said that the consensus mechanism indirectly yields the result of the decision.
But Bitcoin consensus can only be popular in the cryptocurrency world. At present, it cannot be popularized in daily life.


Yes, the essence of consensus is the resonance of one's own thoughts with the thoughts of others. Each of us has independent thoughts. Many times we have different thoughts among different people, and the whole is disordered and chaotic. But when different people agree with a similar point of view, everyone's disorderly thinking becomes orderly, and everyone reaches a consensus on this issue. Yes is collective consciousness, collective decision-making, collective consensus. The most valuable thing is collective consensus.
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August 14, 2021, 05:25:10 AM
#2
Consensus is essentially the resonance of one's own thoughts and the thoughts of others.
The importance of the consensus mechanism is that it can produce rules that have the final say. Everyone finally did what the rules said together, and the choice of the rules was decided by everyone.
It can also be said that the consensus mechanism indirectly yields the result of the decision.
But Bitcoin consensus can only be popular in the cryptocurrency world. At present, it cannot be popularized in daily life.
copper member
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August 14, 2021, 02:19:29 AM
#1
As is mentioned previously, Bitcoin marked a new civilization for humans, I named it Bit Civilization. It’s a more advanced civilization based on Bitcoin thought. It will transform all facets of human society, including but not limited to organization, family concept, tool, language, word, belief, law, system, city-state, country, assets, ethics, culture and art.


As far as I'm concerned, substantially, human civilization is consensus, so is Bit Civilization. The simplest explanation of consensus is shared knowledge, view, understanding and goal, which will temporarily eliminate differences and ease contradictions, rendering collaboration possible.


I think the essence of consensus is order, is entropy decreasing.


Reaching a consensus is going from disorder to order, a process of entropy reduction requiring continuous input of energy to end chaos and disorder. Attaining consensus is creating value as well, it's coining a new human civilization.


Human civilization evolves in constantly shaping consensus. That inevitably entails energy input. Therefore, the process of reaching a consensus is the process of establishing civilization. Essentially, through the consumption of energy, the disorder becomes order, the reduction of entropy is realized and the increase of entropy is resisted. That is the ultimate secret of human civilization that I found.


Clear direction, shared idea, common goal, gathering wisdom and strong consensus are the most basic means and driving force for the continuous development of human civilization. Human society's entering Bit Civilization is no immunity when Bitcoin was born. The process of establishing Bit Civilization is the process of spreading Bitcoin consensus. A new order for human civilization will be established with the unceasingly strengthening consensus on Bitcoin.


The process of civilization establishment signifies the endless conversion and consumption of energy in the universe. Energy will not be generated out of thin air, only by conversion and consumption. Every time anything happens in the world, some energy in the world will dissipate accordingly. The total value of entropy in the universe will increase until the energy of the universe is completely exhausted, the universe falls into extinction.


We eat every day, absorb energy from food, in exchange for survival. And then we learn, obtain knowledge and wisdom, and use this knowledge, wisdom, time, energy, physical strength, etc. to transform the world. Small life has a small energy cycle system, and the large has a large one. The entire earth also has its own energy cycle system and the same is true for human civilization.


The evolution of the entire human civilization now aims at building an orderly and organized human society with the help of external energy. That is a course of building consensus and achieving entropy reduction, which needs the supply of energy. Human civilization's ceaseless entropy reduction is founded on the entropy increase, the chaos and disorder of the earth.


After the industrial revolution, science and technology developed explosively, new technologies emerged one after another, technological strength became stronger and stronger, and the development level humans had to nature grew higher and higher. Human society appears to be more and more civilized, yet the damage of nature turns more and more serious. The more civilized and orderly human society appears, the more chaotic and disorderly nature seems.


The greater the energy consumption of human society is, the more entropy will be produced. Therefore, human society will always be in a state of contradiction: the entire society becomes more orderly and rigorous but disorder and chaos continue to breed in the dark. We just rely on larger energy input to suppress the accumulation of entropy, which is exploding in various aspects: garbage pollution, global warming, melting glaciers, land desertification, PM2.5, species extinction, virus proliferation. All these are manifested on merely the material level. Spiritually, the proliferation of all kinds of useless spam on the Internet, the invasion of the human mind and the accumulation of assortments of negative emotions. Those things happen for some reason.


Our current society and civilization have arrived the most dangerous moment. Personally, this pandemic is essentially a response to the increasing entropy of the earth. If human civilization hankers after a better future, they must accomplish a true order that is not on the basis of the destruction of nature. Otherwise, humankind will certainly go to extinction in the end.


When Bitcoin was born, a new technical consensus based on mathematics and algorithms came into being, providing a new direction for human civilization with an optimized governance model. It renders human civilization more orderly, thus human civilization can coexist with nature. That is the true evolutionary direction of human civilization, as least for me.


All in all, the essence of civilization is consensus, and that of consensus is order, is entropy reduction. To build Bit Civilization, we must establish a new human order centered on Bitcoin, which is not limited to the currency field but for all aspects of human civilization. What do you think?
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